Kaitou Kid's Role in the long run?

[gisaku-chan]

Yes, I totally agree. But, I'm still wondering on how the heck he figured out Conan's real identity.

He hasn't figured out Conan's identity in the manga. It's only in the movies.

In the movies? What about in the anime, didn't he figure it out on the Kaito Kid's First Appearance episode? or is it just my hallucinating self? =O

No, Kid didn't figure it out in his first appearance. Actually, yeah, in the anime, he only knows that Conan is quite keen, though it wouldn't surprise me if he was suspicious.

So, Kid knows Conan only in the movies, but not in the manga or anime..? >_<

[randompi314159]

Yes, I totally agree. But, I'm still wondering on how the heck he figured out Conan's real identity.

He hasn't figured out Conan's identity in the manga. It's only in the movies.

In the movies? What about in the anime, didn't he figure it out on the Kaito Kid's First Appearance episode? or is it just my hallucinating self? =O

No, Kid didn't figure it out in his first appearance. Actually, yeah, in the anime, he only knows that Conan is quite keen, though it wouldn't surprise me if he was suspicious.

So, Kid knows Conan only in the movies, but not in the manga or anime..? >_<

Yeah, Kid only knows Conan's identity in the movies, such as 4 and 8,  but, even though I thought it carried over, I guess there really was no proof that Kid actually knows in the anime.

[gisaku-chan]

Yes, I totally agree. But, I'm still wondering on how the heck he figured out Conan's real identity.

He hasn't figured out Conan's identity in the manga. It's only in the movies.

In the movies? What about in the anime, didn't he figure it out on the Kaito Kid's First Appearance episode? or is it just my hallucinating self? =O

No, Kid didn't figure it out in his first appearance. Actually, yeah, in the anime, he only knows that Conan is quite keen, though it wouldn't surprise me if he was suspicious.

So, Kid knows Conan only in the movies, but not in the manga or anime..? >_<

Yeah, Kid only knows Conan's identity in the movies, such as 4 and 8,  but, even though I thought it carried over, I guess there really was no proof that Kid actually knows in the anime.

I see. Oh well, thanks for clearing it all up for me.

[randompi314159]

Yes, I totally agree. But, I'm still wondering on how the heck he figured out Conan's real identity.

He hasn't figured out Conan's identity in the manga. It's only in the movies.

In the movies? What about in the anime, didn't he figure it out on the Kaito Kid's First Appearance episode? or is it just my hallucinating self? =O

No, Kid didn't figure it out in his first appearance. Actually, yeah, in the anime, he only knows that Conan is quite keen, though it wouldn't surprise me if he was suspicious.

So, Kid knows Conan only in the movies, but not in the manga or anime..? >_<

Yeah, Kid only knows Conan's identity in the movies, such as 4 and 8,  but, even though I thought it carried over, I guess there really was no proof that Kid actually knows in the anime.

I see. Oh well, thanks for clearing it all up for me.

Yeah, no problem.

[mangaluva]

I really like Kid, but he seems to be used as purely filler. Even though Aoyama has said that Toichi's murderers and the BO aren't connected, I keep hoping, because Kaito DOES have a plot of his own. Even if that doesn't get tied into the overall DC plot, I think it would be cool to see Conan take on Toichi's murder case, sort of as a long subplot.

I just don't like Kaito being reduced to a plotless filler character, and I want my darling Toichi to be avenged ♥

[Kleene Onigiri]

For me KID is already connected to the main story line actually (not much tho).
Because his father taught Shinichis mother and Vermouth how to disguise etc. for example. And magicians always reappear in the story. So if a magician is actually related to the BO (like some theories point that out), then KID would be used as a "hint" for that. Or he could be a camouflage, because people would think "it's just a filler and not story related when KID is involved".
Or you also see that Toichi and Yuusaku met each other (tho that wasn't main story related)

But I doubt that KID would join forces with conan and fight together against the BO. Since he's still just a guest-character.

[Kor]

Kaito Kid should stick to his own plot and not be connected to Conan's. Otherwise Kid's character was reduced too much. He has even less screentime than Bakura.
Not to mention that if Kid will be connected to the plot, we'll have a lot more Kid cases (with the slow development that makes something happening, it would likely take 10+ cases), and recently, the Kid cases became a little dull.
Kid originally wasn't made to be "the thief in a case", he was made to be "the thief" and the detective only played the minor role which supposed to stop the thief (and since Kaito is our hero, the detective (Hakuba) is usually supposed to fail. In Conan however, this is impossible because Conan is the main hero). in MK, Kid is much better and he's more fun than when he appears in Cpnan.

Now about the "At the end, Conan, Heiji, Kid, the police, the FBI and the CIA should join forces against the B.O." fans, sorry, but this is not as awesome as you think, and it is bad writing. Having too many characters at the end (and we have a lot of characters in DC) will make it confuzing and will take screentime from the really important characters.
Aside from Higurashi, I don't recall any case in which EVERYONE fought against the bad guy/s at the end.
Take a look for example at DBZ - the characters who were fighting against Kid Buu were Mr. Satan, Goku and Vegita (and later also Majin Buu) Vegita and Goku didn't even fight together, they took turns of who was going to fight Buu. True, Buu was defeated by the Spirit "Deus Ex Machina" Bomb, but the appearance of the other characters was only minor.
Sailor Moon as well (refrencing the anime version) - the ones who fought against Galaxya at the final episodes were Sailor Moon, Chibi Chibi and the Sailor Starlights. There was no "all the sailors attack together with their powers and defeat Galaxya" because well......that would be stupid.

[mangaluva]

Now about the "At the end, Conan, Heiji, Kid, the police, the FBI and the CIA should join forces against the B.O." fans, sorry, but this is not as awesome as you think, and it is bad writing. Having too many characters at the end (and we have a lot of characters in DC) will make it confuzing and will take screentime from the really important characters.

I have to agree with this. I wrote a fic which would have had a climax like that, but it was simply too much; I had to kill or otherwise incapacitate a lot of characters on both sides before the "final battle" scene, otherwise it would be just too big to handle as anything but an all-out brawl. I don't think the BO can be handled in a single fight, anyway; it'll be several smaller confrontations, several strikes that cripple them.

Kid's plot does need to be resolved, though, so either Aoyama needs to solve that as a subplot to DC or get back to Magic Kaito as a manga in its own right.

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

Now about the "At the end, Conan, Heiji, Kid, the police, the FBI and the CIA should join forces against the B.O." fans, sorry, but this is not as awesome as you think, and it is bad writing. Having too many characters at the end (and we have a lot of characters in DC) will make it confusing and will take screentime from the really important characters.

Agreed, but I think each of the major factions will chip something in on the final sprint to the end. The "final showdown" so to speak will probably only involve the core characters like you stated; however, Gosho leads in to the org showdowns in the form of an "investigation phase": cases where incidentally Conan gathers hints and tries to piece the picture together. My guess is that each major party will chip in some necessary observation or clue during the "investigation phase" to help Conan assemble the final puzzle. This way, everyone gets to help out, but avoids cluttering the storyline with too many people at the same time. An alternate way would be to have an extended final showdown which is broken into sections where different groups of characters are important, culminating in a "final final showdown" where only the core characters take part. ...Or some combination of both...

[dilbertschalter]

Now about the "At the end, Conan, Heiji, Kid, the police, the FBI and the CIA should join forces against the B.O." fans, sorry, but this is not as awesome as you think, and it is bad writing. Having too many characters at the end (and we have a lot of characters in DC) will make it confusing and will take screentime from the really important characters.

Agreed, but I think each of the major factions will chip something in on the final sprint to the end. The "final showdown" so to speak will probably only involve the core characters like you stated; however, Gosho leads in to the org showdowns in the form of an "investigation phase": cases where incidentally Conan gathers hints and tries to piece the picture together. My guess is that each major party will chip in some necessary observation or clue during the "investigation phase" to help Conan assemble the final puzzle. This way, everyone gets to help out, but avoids cluttering the storyline with too many people at the same time. An alternate way would be to have an extended final showdown which is broken into sections where different groups of characters are important, culminating in a "final final showdown" where only the core characters take part. ...Or some combination of both...

The second idea is basically 345 (although Jodie and Akai aren't "core" characters), which seems like a good way to do it. For some reason, I always imagine that it will have Haibara sacrificing herself to save Ran, both as repayment for 345 and because it seems like an apt fate.

[Kor]

(although Jodie and Akai aren't "core" characters)

They are core characters regarding the B.O. plot.

[dilbertschalter]

(although Jodie and Akai aren't "core" characters)

They are core characters regarding the B.O. plot.

Yeah, but in terms of the whole series they're peripheral characters. Obviously they'll be involved somehow in the final fight against the BO, but I wouldn't be surprised if they're shunted to the side and sent to fight some lieutenants (maybe even Gin/Vermouth) while Conan goes for the Boss.

[RedPoppy]

I don't want Kid to be involved in the DC plotline on any level.

Kis has his own show, which will hopefully continue, but I'd hate to see him in a BO case. It's just... nope. I don't mind that much if there is a Kid case in DC, but I still don't like him as much as I maybe should. I think his role in DC is overhyped. gHe is cool and stuff, but he should do something in his own story, not in DC main plot.

Agreed~!! I mean, I know that Kaito has good disgusing skills etc., which could be helpful in THE FINAL CASE, but I guess there would be too much characters involved in the main solution. I'm pretty sure that Ran, Kogoro, Ai, maybe Heiji will take part in THE FINAL CASE (THAT 'DRAMATIC EVENT'), but I don't know why Kaito should be there too. It's not his business anyway, as Aoyama said the Black Organization didn't kill Kaito's father, I guess he doesn't even know about BO and why Shinichi became Conan.

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

(although Jodie and Akai aren't "core" characters)

They are core characters regarding the B.O. plot.

Vermouth and Jodie still have unfinished business with each other. I imagine the two of them will have their own version of a rematch. Also, I expect Yukiko will play a role, either indirectly by creating a disguise for someone to help out or directly since they two have an unresolved past with one another. If Kaito Kid is going to have a part in the takedown of any B.O. member, it will be Vermouth. (I don't think Kaito will though...) My guess is Vermouth will come cleanly out of the confrontation though, because she is going to need to resolve the "why does Vermouth seem to be betraying the org by not informing them about Conan and Ai" subplot. Also there are "Vermouth's connection to the Miyano's", "Vermouth's aging wonkiness", "Why does Vermouth flip Ai out more than other Org members?", and "Why is Vermouth the boss's favorite?" subplots as well that hasn't been touched on that will need to get wrapped up near the end. I think Shiho Miyano will be involved here. I think Vermouth's part of the final confrontation will emphasize the past of the org, it's research goals, and Vermouth's connection to Ai through her parents rather than the identity of the boss. I think Vermouth is either going to escape or will die by her own action or inaction, with the possibility of her betraying the org in the process rather than Jodie taking her out.

Gin's role in the final confrontation will almost certainly be figuring out that it was Conan who has been causing the damage, but not necessarily his identity as Shinichi. Almost every time Gin appears in a confrontation so far, a hint is dropped about Conan's interference. Gin just hasn't pieced them together yet, and he will almost certainly be the one who will. Expect him to go after Conan with a vengeance. Also subplots related to him are "his relationship with Shiho", and "his past and motives for working in the org". Akai's vendetta with Gin will almost guarantee an epic matchup between them. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they both take each other out, if only that I would feel really bad for Jodie who would be left behind again... I don't think Shiho will play much of a roll in the confrontation, other than as Gin's target or maybe having a conversation at gunpoint with him. A lot of people have pointed out in the "how will Gin die" thread that Gin is unlikely to get carted of in chains...

Akai will definitely have role in the close to the end if his Okiya disguise is not revealed at the finale of the Bourbon arc. My guess is that Conan will use him and Kir if Kir is still unknown as a mole as a trump card against the org, but while "causing the org damage" will not be the "critical hit" Conan hoped because the boss has mad intelligence/caution/anticipation skills. My guess is that Conan's plan will appear to go to hell in a handbasket, but then it is revealed at the end that in easily overlooked insignificant details Conan had been laying the foundation for a master plan.
I think Kogoro and Ran and probably no one else will be Conan's primary "helpers" in the confrontation with the boss. I also think a temporary antidote will be involved as well which will invoke the Conan=Shinichi reveal.

[dilbertschalter]

(although Jodie and Akai aren't "core" characters)

They are core characters regarding the B.O. plot.

Vermouth and Jodie still have unfinished business with each other. I imagine the two of them will have their own version of a rematch. Also, I expect Yukiko will play a role, either indirectly by creating a disguise for someone to help out or directly since they two have an unresolved past with one another. If Kaito Kid is going to have a part in the takedown of any B.O. member, it will be Vermouth. (I don't think Kaito will though...) My guess is Vermouth will come cleanly out of the confrontation though, because she is going to need to resolve the "why does Vermouth seem to be betraying the org by not informing them about Conan and Ai" subplot. Also there are "Vermouth's connection to the Miyano's", "Vermouth's aging wonkiness", "Why does Vermouth flip Ai out more than other Org members?", and "Why is Vermouth the boss's favorite?" subplots as well that hasn't been touched on that will need to get wrapped up near the end. I think Shiho Miyano will be involved here. I think Vermouth's part of the final confrontation will emphasize the past of the org, it's research goals, and Vermouth's connection to Ai through her parents rather than the identity of the boss. I think Vermouth is either going to escape or will die by her own action or inaction, with the possibility of her betraying the org in the process rather than Jodie taking her out.

Gin's role in the final confrontation will almost certainly be figuring out that it was Conan who has been causing the damage, but not necessarily his identity as Shinichi. Almost every time Gin appears in a confrontation so far, a hint is dropped about Conan's interference. Gin just hasn't pieced them together yet, and he will almost certainly be the one who will. Expect him to go after Conan with a vengeance. Also subplots related to him are "his relationship with Shiho", and "his past and motives for working in the org". Akai's vendetta with Gin will almost guarantee an epic matchup between them. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they both take each other out, if only that I would feel really bad for Jodie who would be left behind again... I don't think Shiho will play much of a roll in the confrontation, other than as Gin's target or maybe having a conversation at gunpoint with him. A lot of people have pointed out in the "how will Gin die" thread that Gin is unlikely to get carted of in chains...

Akai will definitely have role in the close to the end if his Okiya disguise is not revealed at the finale of the Bourbon arc. My guess is that Conan will use him and Kir if Kir is still unknown as a mole as a trump card against the org, but while "causing the org damage" will not be the "critical hit" Conan hoped because the boss has mad intelligence/caution/anticipation skills. My guess is that Conan's plan will appear to go to hell in a handbasket, but then it is revealed at the end that in easily overlooked insignificant details Conan had been laying the foundation for a master plan.
I think Kogoro and Ran and probably no one else will be Conan's primary "helpers" in the confrontation with the boss. I also think a temporary antidote will be involved as well which will invoke the Conan=Shinichi reveal.

I wonder what the justification for him using Ran will be though. After all, he didn't tell her his identity because he didn't want her to get involved in dangerous activities (which flies completely out the window after 345, but that is another topic). Maybe Ran will be targeted by the BO suspecting Mouri again or something along those lines.