FILE 731-733: Who's The Hell Kid Disguises This Time?

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Who's The Hell Kid Disguises This Time?

Ran
1
2%
Sonoko
11
20%
Uncle Jirokichi
2
4%
Inspector Nakamori
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2%
Tarumi Shishihiko (Ryoma Exhibition Organizer)
2
4%
Hanamura Masanosuke (Appraiser)
4
7%
The Man Who Throws Bottle
6
11%
Other Person
9
16%
Nobody but comes directly himself
20
36%
 
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Misztina wrote: I think he is Sonoko now. She seemed to be suspicious when she talked to Inspector Nakamouri about how Kid would wait for an opportunity and her talk with Jirokicvhi also bothers me.
I also found her suspicious.
And I'm going to kill someone if KID decides to flirt with Ran on a DC actual file, which is not like a movie, which in the worst of the cases we can pretend it just never happened.
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This time, I'm only  interested in knowing who the hell the Phantom Lady is ;D
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Tenken wrote: This time, I'm only  interested in knowing who the hell the Phantom Lady is ;D
Definitely. The first question is who would be old enough to be her? And I don't think we have any proof that she's female, do we?
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Nanatsu no Ko wrote: Definitely. The first question is who would be old enough to be her? And I don't think we have any proof that she's female, do we?
Since she went by "Phantom Lady", I'd say that's about as much proof as we're going to get.  It's about as much as the common public knows about Kaitou Kid being male.
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Those two guys, Tarumi and Hanamura, are definitely forgers based on the bathroom conversation. Hanamura cut his thumb, presumably setting up a trap for the item(s) from the exhibit that they're going to steal. Kid is almost certainly planning to expose the items in the new exhibit and the old items stolen by the lady thief he is returning as frauds. This is definitely going to be a four part or more case since Conan will need to work out the details behind the other forger's heist as well as kid's entrance.

As for what Kid was talking about by "lead from the inside grip" and "numbers are only numbers, what I was carrying was only a skeleton", I'm pretty sure he means he is smuggling the weapon in as parts. Smith & Wesson 1 1/2s can be extensively disassembled as seen in the picture of this book a few pages down. The serial number of the gun is printed on the wooden grips (probably the number part kid had referred to just now) as well as the butt of the gun on the grip strap/butt strap (which is probably what Kaito is referring to by lead from the inside grip). There is also an assembly mark printed on various places as well.
As for how he got the metal components through, suitably disassembled, the pieces of the gun are rather small. There are two strategies for bringing the gun through that I can think of for now. The simplest concept would be to smuggle through all the non-metal components, then visit the bathroom. The window behind the bars had already been manipulated to allow it to open. Left in the window is a thin, near-invisible fishing line with nothing on it that hangs outside the window. Regardless of whether the window is on the ground floor or the second floor, Kaito Kid or an accomplice could have tied a camouflaged bag with the metal parts in it then pulled it up from inside the bathroom when it was clear. The bars are wide enough to allow the passage of the disassembled gun components. Kaito Kid could have been relying on the rain to obscure the raising bag. This idea of course runs into problems if the people nearby don't clear out, and since it's busy the possibility is likely.
The second plan involves going straight through the metal detectors. Since the police were looking for intact guns, perhaps he disguised the components in something innocuous containing metal - like an umbrella? The curved gun grip can be disguised as the handle, the barrel as part of the umbrella shaft, and the chamber and other small parts can somehow be incorporated into the design. He may hope the bag checker whose search image is an assembled pistol wouldn't notice the off parts of the umbrella.
The only problem with this theory is if he intended to smuggle the parts through in an umbrella with rain as has cover, it seems to me he that before he sent his second heist notice, Kaito Kid anticipated that he would have to beat metal detectors. The metal detector plan was set up after the second note and was prompted by Conan's idea. Kaito Kid couldn't have made certain that metal detectors would be installed unless he planned to influence the conversation by disguising as someone present.
Whatever technique he used to get the metal bits through, we will probably get more hints about it in the next chapter.

I wonder how the writing transferred to Sonoko's sleeve? Wet paint doesn't make much sense, but perhaps it's something that rubs or peels off when moist. I presume it has something to do with why Kaito Kid needed it to rain. Maybe as the crowd surge increases when the people cram in, they will bump up against the display cases with their wet clothes, removing the moisture sensitive outer layer of the display labels and revealing some Kid created message underneath about the stuff in the exhibit being fraudulent.

As for Kaito Kid's escape, maybe he could use the gun to shoot out the sprinkler heads and escape in the resulting mayhem.
In any case it might be hard to distinguish between the tricks the forgers plan to use and the tricks Kid used until we get more clues.
Finally as for who kid is, my bet is on Sonoko for now, but I have no evidence.
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Chekhov MacGuffin wrote: I wonder how the writing transferred to Sonoko's sleeve? Wet paint doesn't make much sense, but perhaps it's something that rubs or peels off when moist. I presume it has something to do with why Kaito Kid needed it to rain. Maybe as the crowd surge increases when the people cram in, they will bump up against the display cases with their wet clothes, removing the moisture sensitive outer layer of the display labels and revealing some Kid created message underneath about the stuff in the exhibit being fraudulent.
That would be cool. To me, the writing looked like she'd rubbed up against something written in English, but the tops and bottoms of some of the letters hadn't transferred to her sleeve(the rightmost character looks like a cut-off uppercase A or H, for example). I had to look at it for a minute before I realized it was possible to read them not as backwards English letters, but as Japanese characters read top to bottom. If the word is in English, it could be that Kid is planning to reveal words having to do with Ryoma's time in America. Or maybe it's not Kid--if Kid is Sonoko, she seemed surprised about the writing on her sleeve. Maybe it's something to do with the two foreigners. (Of course, Kid could be pretending to be surprised.)

You know...far too many scenes in Detective Conan take place in bathrooms. It would have been epic if a police officer had decided to use the facilities and come upon an older boy, dressed like a sex offender (sorry, Kaito) and grinning like a psychopat, holding a gun on the little kid in the next stall.
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pofa wrote: To me, the writing looked like she'd rubbed up against something written in English, but the tops and bottoms of some of the letters hadn't transferred to her sleeve(the rightmost character looks like a cut-off uppercase A or H, for example). I had to look at it for a minute before I realized it was possible to read them not as backwards English letters, but as Japanese characters read top to bottom.
Could you explain this in more detail? I get the reverse English, but what would the characters be if in Japanese? I don't see it, but I want to understand.
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Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:
pofa wrote: To me, the writing looked like she'd rubbed up against something written in English, but the tops and bottoms of some of the letters hadn't transferred to her sleeve(the rightmost character looks like a cut-off uppercase A or H, for example). I had to look at it for a minute before I realized it was possible to read them not as backwards English letters, but as Japanese characters read top to bottom.
Could you explain this in more detail? I get the reverse English, but what would the characters be if in Japanese? I don't see it, but I want to understand.
My Japanese is extremely limited, but I recognised the Hiragana (I think it's the Hiragana) for "no", so I assume it's what Ran read aloud: "Tetsu no hitotsu". It should be right, but only if the two first characters over the "no" belong to "te" and "tsu".

That, or Ran can't read Japanese either ;D
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If Phantom Lady is really Chikage Kuroba then the plot really thickens.
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That's an anime version of kaito's mom. It's only a matter of time when Conan will go to Gunma prefecture. And I can see the connection since Kaito's and BO Boss(atleast his/her cell -phone no. directs to Gunma) reside there. We are already seeing a crossover. Whether Phantom Lady is Vermouth or Chikage it wil be interesting to find out.
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Key-chan wrote:
Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:
pofa wrote: To me, the writing looked like she'd rubbed up against something written in English, but the tops and bottoms of some of the letters hadn't transferred to her sleeve(the rightmost character looks like a cut-off uppercase A or H, for example). I had to look at it for a minute before I realized it was possible to read them not as backwards English letters, but as Japanese characters read top to bottom.
Could you explain this in more detail? I get the reverse English, but what would the characters be if in Japanese? I don't see it, but I want to understand.
My Japanese is extremely limited, but I recognised the Hiragana (I think it's the Hiragana) for "no", so I assume it's what Ran read aloud: "Tetsu no hitotsu". It should be right, but only if the two first characters over the "no" belong to "te" and "tsu".

That, or Ran can't read Japanese either ;D
Well, I assumed that if Ran was reading it in Japanese, the letters must look like Japanese characters to her. I don't read much Japanese, either, but the hiragana for "tetsu" (sorry, don't know how to post them) look a bit like the two rightmost characters on Sonoko's sleeve if read top to bottom. As Key-chan said, the backwards "e" looks like "no." "Hitotsu" only works if it's a combination of the kanji that's a single straight line (yeah...watch me fail at Japanese) and the hiragana "tsu" (I think I've seen "hitotsu" written this way.) Although, that last "tsu" would have to be cut off at the bottom, so maybe I'm reading it wrong. *shrug* That's just how it looked to me. I was trying to make sense of why Ran would read it that way when, to me, it was clearly in English.
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I thin this should answer the question
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Yep, looks like Kid replaced the sign for the gu"nbelt" with a message covered with a water vulnerable printing of the original sign, like Abs and Chekov already figured. (Ran stretching that bottom of a mirrored "t" into a "ã
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733 is the resolution. The Kid plot(?) thickens.
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Looking at it again, I can make out the hiragana, but last night, it just looked like english to me. The "te" is written weird, or maybe I'm not used to it. *shrugs*
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