Grammar question
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Grammar question
I got back an English test today, and I still can't believe my teacher's correction. In the analysis of a cartoon I wrote "... the face of the man ...".
Of course, this is not the best way to put it, and my teacher's correction "the man's face" may be better - however, the teacher marked "the face of the man" with gr - grammar mistake. Is it indeed a grammar mistake or is it only bad style?
Of course, this is not the best way to put it, and my teacher's correction "the man's face" may be better - however, the teacher marked "the face of the man" with gr - grammar mistake. Is it indeed a grammar mistake or is it only bad style?
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Re: Grammar question
it's just bad style, if you ever said that people would probably think you're weird (well it might not seem weird depending on the context, such as if you're elaborating on the man afterwards, if he's already been mentioned, blablabla etcetcetc).
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Re: Grammar question
The whole sentence is:
"Both of them [a man and a woman] are fat, and the face of the man looks ugly and nasty."
"Both of them [a man and a woman] are fat, and the face of the man looks ugly and nasty."
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Re: Grammar question
hmm, well in that case I'd say "the man's face" is better, but "the face of the man" isn't too bad in that context tbh.
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I think that's just fine. Would it flow better if you had written 'the man's face'? Sure. But there's absolutely nothing wrong with what you wrote.Callid wrote: The whole sentence is:
"Both of them [a man and a woman] are fat, and the face of the man looks ugly and nasty."
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Re: Grammar question
For me, you don't even have to add "the face of"... Both of them are fat and the man looks ugly and nasty... It's direct to the point that way...Callid wrote: The whole sentence is:
"Both of them [a man and a woman] are fat, and the face of the man looks ugly and nasty."
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I just spoke to my English teacher, but she disagrees with you 
Oh well, I'm changing the English course now anyway, only one teacher's (!) allowance is still needed...
Oh well, I'm changing the English course now anyway, only one teacher's (!) allowance is still needed...
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Re: Grammar question
Just My two cents worthCallid wrote: The whole sentence is:
"Both of them [a man and a woman] are fat, and the face of the man looks ugly and nasty."
(This is how I would phase your sentence)
Both the man and the woman are fat. Also the man's face looks both nasty and ugly.
The Word 'of' is a preposition. Sentences can normally stand alone with out the preposition. Your sentence with out the prepositions looks like this: "Both [a man and a woman] are fat, and the face looks ugly and nasty."
If that is what you are trying to say, then your sentences is fine. Also of note (to me) is you might be over using the word 'and', and as such, your sentence is coming close to a run on.
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Re: Grammar question
out of curiosity, is the teacher a native English speaker who also speaks German, or a native German speaker who speaks English?Callid wrote: I just spoke to my English teacher, but she disagrees with you
Oh well, I'm changing the English course now anyway, only one teacher's (!) allowance is still needed...
if she's the second (which is what I'm guessing), then I wouldn't worry too much.
if she's the first though, then I'd be confused.
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Re: Grammar question
Grammar worst subject 
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Re: Grammar question
That's what I wanted to say.CoolKid3 wrote:For me, you don't even have to add "the face of"... Both of them are fat and the man looks ugly and nasty... It's direct to the point that way...Callid wrote: The whole sentence is:
"Both of them [a man and a woman] are fat, and the face of the man looks ugly and nasty."

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Re: Grammar question
I happen to know that Callid is German, so I'm guessing that his teacher is a native German speaker, just like mine. Our teacher also always tells us to rather use the genitive than some of-construction. I don't know whether he'd go so far to declare "face of the man" grammatically wrong or if he'd just leave it as bad style, but he does always tell us that many German students tend to make these "mistakes" because every possible way to phrase this in German would put Gesicht (face) in front of Mann (man). I think that's why here in Germany it's considered mistake while in other non-English-countries it's rather bad style. That actual English native speakers disagree with our teachers on that doesn't seem to bother them.Callid wrote: I just spoke to my English teacher, but she disagrees with you
Oh well, I'm changing the English course now anyway, only one teacher's (!) allowance is still needed...
It seems you're just gonna have to live with them. But it's not like English is the only subject where our teachers should get their facts straight.
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浅い眠りに押し潰されそう夜もある
優しい隣人が陰で牙を向いていたり
惰性で観てたテレビ消すみたいに生きることを時々辞めたくなる
人生は苦痛ですか 成功が全てですか
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Re: Grammar question
why not use "his face" instead of "the man's face" or "the face of the man" if there is no other male in the cartoon?

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Re: Grammar question
does that really matter?blurfbreg wrote: why not use "his face" instead of "the man's face" or "the face of the man" if there is no other male in the cartoon?
'the man's face' certainly fits the context better, but i wouldn't call putting 'the face of the man' a grammatical error since technically it's just a longer version of 'the man's face' - and it's not a mistake to begin with anyways


