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Fun thread, just general story cliches and tropes that really bother you.

Characters who are shown to act exactly the same: This one's hard to describe that way so let me elaborate. I hate it when 2 characters are supposed to be their unique characters and yet its undermined by showing how they acted or said or did the exact same things. I mean, this will happen no matter what in a long running series, but when they intentionally point out the similarities, it can be awful. Sometimes it works, like when they showcase similarities you didn't expect and it isn't EXACTLY the same (Avatar immediately comes to mind). But when it's just like "Hey, you're like the other person, you have no originality!" it bothers me sometimes. Not sure if I've said this but one of least favorite cases of the series is the flashback ski case with Shinichi and Heiji. Even ignoring how BS the coincidences are, it basically exists to show that Heiji and Shinichi have no significant differences it seems. That's really all I got from it, and their parents and Ran and Kazuha were dangerously close to doing the same thing IRC. One of the first manga I ever got into was Love Hina, and I distinctly remember it threw away an entire character arc of how the main character was different from this other character...only to end up acting EXACTLY like this character. For no reason!

Twist endings: This is an easy one. I made an entire (failed) joke thread about this once. I hate when writers stupidly throw away all logical and good storytelling just to SHOCK the audience for the ending. It's just pathetic. I mean, sometimes they can be great, especially if foreshadowed. But bad twist endings are vastly worse than obvious endings. Mass Effect 3's ending still blows, for the record.

Pseudo-strong female characters: This one is less pet peeve and more me losing my patience, but I really hate it when a female character is introduced as someone really strong and that fails to be true after a while. It's happened way too frequently (though maybe less so recently?). Naruto is INCREDIBLY bad at this, which is doubly bad because if I made a top 10 list of best Naruto scenes, like 3 of them would just be unexpected strength shown by a girl...only for the follow-up to be bad or nothing at all. Kinda hurts those scenes a bit. And of course, there's adding really awful "depth" that turns strong characters into crybabies who need to be saved. I probably would've thrown my Bleach manga at something had I bothered to read the rest of Hueco Mundo for that reason. And again, it's not so much that it's inherently bad as much as it happens WAY too much and not for the right reasons.

^^^^all of thissssssss... a big one also is using characters as plot points instead of characters (MOFFAT). When developing characters, way too many writers focus entirely on their relevance to the main character. Every character, big and small, needs their own goals and motivations so that they can behave like a character instead of a walking plot point.

Also, overemphasis on shock value. Have something horrible happen to your characters to advance the plot or stimulate their emotional journey; don't do it for the sole purpose of making the audience go GASP (Looking at the GoT show writers and their tendency to add extra rape to EVERYTHING here)

I agree with all of the above, but especially about the twist endings. There's nothing worse than illogical plot twists thrown in just to get a reaction. I'm one of those people who tend to figure out what's going on pretty early in a story, and I don't mind being surprised or wrong as long as it makes sense. If I'm wrong simply because the author thought, "Gee, this isn't subtle enough. I know! I'll completely throw everything I've written out the window to do this!"

On that note, foreshadowing can be extremely subtle and still work.
Spoilers for Brandon Sanderson's Mistborn trilogy follow. Don't read if you haven't read the books - trust me. Conclusion: If you want well done plot twists, read anything of Brandon Sanderson's. He doesn't always use them, but when he does, it's genius.

Terry Pratchett's good at subtle foreshadowing and plot twists that make sense, too, and not the blatant kinda foreshadowing where you read a scene and go "I have no idea what just happened, what was that all about?" and understand it at the end, but the subtle kind where you don't even realize it's foreshadowing until you reread it and go "ohhhhh.... OH OKAY". Best example, I think, is Monstrous Regiment.
I think foreshadowing is better when it's stuble, rather than slapping the audience about the head with it.

On that note, characters giving an "as you already know..." type of explanation to other characters for the benefit of the audience. If you need to tell the readers something that all of the characters present already know, either add in a character who doesn't know for them to lecture at... or don't exposit, just have the characters keep doing their thing around the subject and assume that your readers are not utter muppets and able to determine what's going on from clear enough context clues.

I remember reading Never Let Me Go and actually quite enjoying it until the scene where...

Honestly, I think my issue with twist endings has a lot to do with how much it just felt feels like the writer is so desperate to surprise people and not be predictable that ANYTHING worthwhile is an acceptable casualty in order for the audience to not see a thing coming.