Magic Kaito episode 1(?) Discussion Thread

[ShinRan36]

whoaaa? omg i didnt know about this episode!! When did gosho start with the anime? Will there be other episodes??

[mangaluva]

The anime episode was a special release. You should be able to download it from elsewhere on the forum. There are no other episodes planned, but the episode was labelled "episode 1" so I think they're keeping their options open.

[Sakina]

whoaaa? omg i didnt know about this episode!! When did gosho start with the anime? Will there be other episodes??

:O  Oh dear!  Someone who didn't know!  I could have sworn we had already spread this information all over the internet.

[KaitoKudo]

I loved how ALL the police hit against the wall beacuse they thought Kaito was hidden there. All of them just jumped to the wall, it didn't matter if the first one bounced back off the wall

those were some of the most hyper police ever. At the beginning all of them trying to get into the vent was a sight to behold.

HAHAHAHA, That was indeed a sight to behold, 50 cops shoving themselves into an airvent in less then 3 seconds? yeah, it was great. Overall I think that this is a good segway to "re-introduce" Kid but I am interested to see how the 2 series will overlap, or if they will... I dunno what I'm trying to say, I agree with u, and I am happy. nuf said

[Akemi~chan]

I loved how ALL the police hit against the wall beacuse they thought Kaito was hidden there. All of them just jumped to the wall, it didn't matter if the first one bounced back off the wall

those were some of the most hyper police ever. At the beginning all of them trying to get into the vent was a sight to behold.

HAHAHAHA, That was indeed a sight to behold, 50 cops shoving themselves into an airvent in less then 3 seconds? yeah, it was great. Overall I think that this is a good segway to "re-introduce" Kid but I am interested to see how the 2 series will overlap, or if they will... I dunno what I'm trying to say, I agree with u, and I am happy. nuf said

hilarios scene and i think one of them lost a shoe

[Leonawriter]

I know. It's heartbreaking. I also like how, since unlike the manga you can hear them speaking, you can actually hear the wobble in his voice when he asks if his father was a thief. That would reevaluate a lot of Hakuba's opinions of him, I think, if he knew just how hard he took it that Toichi was a criminal.

Definitely - especially since Hakuba's only known Kaito since after he's been Kid for a while, long enough that Poker Face has had a while to be near-perfected, and he's also had time to get used to his new life.  So all Hakuba sees is someone who's got no problem with the way things are.  And is good at annoying people and being intentionally mysterious - not that he actually wants to have someone figure it out.

[mangaluva]

I know. It's heartbreaking. I also like how, since unlike the manga you can hear them speaking, you can actually hear the wobble in his voice when he asks if his father was a thief. That would reevaluate a lot of Hakuba's opinions of him, I think, if he knew just how hard he took it that Toichi was a criminal.

Definitely - especially since Hakuba's only known Kaito since after he's been Kid for a while, long enough that Poker Face has had a while to be near-perfected, and he's also had time to get used to his new life.  So all Hakuba sees is someone who's got no problem with the way things are.  And is good at annoying people and being intentionally mysterious - not that he actually wants to have someone figure it out.

I think he WANTS someone to figure him out. The first time he meets Hakuba, Hakuba asks him "how did you come to this?" and Kaito responds "That's your job to find out, isn't it, tantei-san?" I think he wants someone to figure him out, and to validate him. As that moment shows, he's not as at ease with breaking the law as it would appear, but he feels it necessary, and I think, sometimes, he wants someone to validate that descision.

[Leonawriter]

I think that every single Kaito/Kid profile I've seen, it's always said how much he has so little ... self-esteem in himself?  He needs someone to actually tell him what he's doing is right, and that he's good at it.  An individual, not just the screaming crowds.

[mangaluva]

My psych profile of Kuroba Kaito:

Spoiler:

Subject: Kuroba Kaito
Prognosis: This oughta be fun...

Subject is an Asian teen male, age 17. High IQ, probably up around the same level as Kudo Shinichi’s. Also a good sportsman (aside from Ice-skating) and clearly keeps himself in good shape to keep up the amount of running and acrobatics that Kid does- I’ll bet he’s got more than one double-joint, and he’s likely to be ambidextrous as well. He’s a right-brained person - creative (no! Really?), intuitive (in other words, good at winging it) and in better touch with his emotions. However, he seems to prefer to hide them as well; the famous Poker Face. Perhaps something little realized is that he has two forms of the Poker Face: there’s the always-smiling front put up as the Kaitou Kid, which never flinches even when he’s cornered (because he generally isn’t; the only times he’s come close to being truly cornered were at the Clock Tower and on the Q. Selizabeth, and both times it cracked briefly, allowing him to look worried), and then there’s the one he wears in civilian life- the clown and idiot. As Shinichi and Hakuba are prime examples, people that intelligent rarely cut loose uninhibitedly as Kaito often does- which means that even in civilian life, he’s got a lot to hide.

Despite how sociable and personable he is, however, he doesn’t seem good at connecting deeply to people; Joan Rivers’ quote “The easiest kind of relationship for me is with ten thousand people; the hardest is with oneâ€

[Leonawriter]

Yup - I've read that one.  I was keeping it in mind while writing that.  It makes far too much sense.

[ranger]

Wow that was a sick episode!  I would totally watch more of the series was picked up and had more episodes.  It's like an antithesis of Detective Conan, from a detective solving the case to the thief plotting out the tricks.

One thing I do have a beef with is the comedy/seriousness; I know the series is supposed to be crazy/hyper (or more so than DC) but it just bugs me when Kaitou, as Kuroba, is using his gun or whatever to spam shot Aoko, you DONT want to do that when you use that same gun in your heists   It's a very minute complaint, but it still bugs me.

Secondly, of course from me, the romance could be smaller.  I don't care for Aoko and Kaitou - Gosho just has this thing for boring love stories.

But the episode in general was fantastic.  It was really refreshing for us DC fans, I mean we always look forward to the Kaitou kid episodes in Conan, so to imagine a whole series based on it could be really fun and interesting! and OMG, that ending music was great!!!!!!!!  DC, you guys can learn a couple things when it comes to soundtrack music from this Kaitou special.  No one want's to hear the music you guys are doing right now, go back to the jazz!!

The ending had that noir, jazz-like feeling that DC had a long time ago, and I really liked it.

Another thing I thought was interesting was the death of Touichi.  I guess it could be plausible that his killers could be somehow related to the Black Organization? 

[skyechan]

One thing I do have a beef with is the comedy/seriousness; I know the series is supposed to be crazy/hyper (or more so than DC) but it just bugs me when Kaitou, as Kuroba, is using his gun or whatever to spam shot Aoko, you DONT want to do that when you use that same gun in your heists   It's a very minute complaint, but it still bugs me.

And yet after all this time no one's picked up on this. He also used the card gun in the scene in the manga. You have to wonder how on Earth he came across such a thing in the first place or created it.

Another thing I thought was interesting was the death of Touichi.  I guess it could be plausible that his killers could be somehow related to the Black Organization? 

Quoting myself from the Detective Conan World Wiki...:

It has been suggested that the organization in question may actually be the Black Organization in Detective Conan, but this theory has yet to be proven. The member of the organization that claimed responsibility for killing Toichi eight years ago is referred to as "Snake", a nickname that doesn't fit in with the codenames of the Black Organization, suggesting they are two separate groups. This though may not be the case if Snake refers to Snake Wine, but because Kaitou Kid's origins have yet to be reexplained within the Detective Conan story, this is only speculation. It does not help that in Snake's second appearance during the Crystal Mother heist he is referred to as "Jackal", yet another name that doesn't fit with the Organization's codenames.

[mangaluva]

One thing I do have a beef with is the comedy/seriousness; I know the series is supposed to be crazy/hyper (or more so than DC) but it just bugs me when Kaitou, as Kuroba, is using his gun or whatever to spam shot Aoko, you DONT want to do that when you use that same gun in your heists   It's a very minute complaint, but it still bugs me.

And yet after all this time no one's picked up on this. He also used the card gun in the scene in the manga. You have to wonder how on Earth he came across such a thing in the first place or created it.

I think it's been implied somewhere that Aoko thinks he just made a copy of Kid's gun because he's such a Kid fanboy, though that doesn't fit with the fact that he's been seen to use the gun before Kid properly "returned".

Another thing I thought was interesting was the death of Touichi.  I guess it could be plausible that his killers could be somehow related to the Black Organization? 

Quoting myself from the Detective Conan World Wiki...:

It has been suggested that the organization in question may actually be the Black Organization in Detective Conan, but this theory has yet to be proven. The member of the organization that claimed responsibility for killing Toichi eight years ago is referred to as "Snake", a nickname that doesn't fit in with the codenames of the Black Organization, suggesting they are two separate groups. This though may not be the case if Snake refers to Snake Wine, but because Kaitou Kid's origins have yet to be reexplained within the Detective Conan story, this is only speculation. It does not help that in Snake's second appearance during the Crystal Mother heist he is referred to as "Jackal", yet another name that doesn't fit with the Organization's codenames.

What that implies to me is that he's a "different codename to every contact" kind of guy. Like Marius Roth in Christopher Brookmyre's novels, who gives a different name to everyone whose services he retains, so that if needs be he can pit them against each other and they'll never know they were working for the same guy. Same thing with Chancellor Palpatine/Darth Sidious, who used different identities to manipulate both sides of the Clone War. Admittedly, Snake doesn't seem bright enough to be quite that epic of an archvillan, but in the MK chapter "Blue Birthday" it was shown that he's not the boss of whatever outfit he's in, and the guy he was reporting to doesn't seem to be at the top either. We don't know anything about his superiors or their connections.


... or it's just a plot hole.

[Mead]

I don't put much thought into the "Jackal" Codename, as it only appears in the OVA version, due to only Conan referring to him as such. During the scenes he appears, his name is never mentioned. The explanation they gave was that that was the name he was known by Interpol as a jewel thief. One could imagine he'd go by a different codename to try and remain hidden or something.

Though you gotta remember, he'd been stealing gems for nearly a decade... WITHOUT knowing the purpose. This guy seems like a hired thug at best. He killed Touichi eight years ago because he got in their way, and it wasn't till the Blue Birthday Heist did he acutally ask why he'd been doing this for the boss. While that was just a story tool so that the other guy could talk about it, thus informing the audience, it still shows how far down the totem pole Snake is in whatever organization he's a part of...

I honestly think that the organization that killed Touichi is simply a small spin off of the Black Organization, Snake not even being a real member, simply a thug who works under the acutal BO member (Snake's Boss). I think Snake's Boss runs a affiliated group which is trying to get the Pandora Gem for the BO boss as one of the various immortality projects the BO seem to be invested in.

[Akemi~chan]

I don't put much thought into the "Jackal" Codename, as it only appears in the OVA version, due to only Conan referring to him as such. During the scenes he appears, his name is never mentioned. The explanation they gave was that that was the name he was known by Interpol as a jewel thief. One could imagine he'd go by a different codename to try and remain hidden or something.

Though you gotta remember, he'd been stealing gems for nearly a decade... WITHOUT knowing the purpose. This guy seems like a hired thug at best. He killed Touichi eight years ago because he got in their way, and it wasn't till the Blue Birthday Heist did he acutally ask why he'd been doing this for the boss. While that was just a story tool so that the other guy could talk about it, thus informing the audience, it still shows how far down the totem pole Snake is in whatever organization he's a part of...

I honestly think that the organization that killed Touichi is simply a small spin off of the Black Organization, Snake not even being a real member, simply a thug who works under the acutal BO member (Snake's Boss). I think Snake's Boss runs a affiliated group which is trying to get the Pandora Gem for the BO boss as one of the various immortality projects the BO seem to be invested in.

you got a point there. i never thought of it like that