Kaito or Kaito Not?

[Pretztailfan95]

There's only three...how can there be four? I already know two of them...so...I'm pretty sure it's scineram. *will probably never believe bluekaitou*

I just said it's me. How can you not believe in me, you... you... pretzel-whatever!

Oh I can.

Besides, you guys, I have this awesome idea for one of my fics~ And it involves Conan tormenting Kid~ Oooh it's fuun~

[takiko]

It's me.

Believe it or Not.
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Really? W-why?

[Boxcar Children]

I love KID 
who can not like him  hes soo cool  8)

[Pretztailfan95]

I love KID 
who can not like him  hes soo cool  8)

Exactly what is cool about him? He's a complete showoff...heck...

Spoiler:

He even tazered Conan!

It's like he's desperate or something...I don't care what his reasons are.

[bluekaitou1412]

@Pretz

That's exactly why you FAIL

@takiko

Why? Just for kicks.

[takiko]

Exactly what is cool about him?

Uhm, 'coz he can do things that most people can't.

[takiko]

It's me.

Believe it or Not.

Really? W-why?
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Harhar. I'm not double-checking my posts anymore.

[mangaluva]

Exactly what is cool about him?

Everything, Pretz-chan. Everything.

[Pretztailfan95]

Exactly what is cool about him?

Uhm, 'coz he can do things that most people can't.

So can Conan. In a way. I mean, he's like...freaky smart.

Exactly what is cool about him?

Everything, Pretz-chan. Everything.

Meh, Heiji's cooler.

[conanfan1]

Ok so wht is soooo cool abt kid which isnt in the other characters (except conan)
its tht he is the only who gets the best of conan as a bad guy
sure conan does his part too but another reason is tht they are the same age
now for all of those ppl who will say soo is heji let me underline the words BAD GUY and GET THE BETTER OF
its a rlly tense situation when they are together also becuz he doesnt come tht often so the anticipation makes it better (sure heji doesnt come in evry episode but then he comes more than kid and also he is a good guy)
another reason he can do things conan cant and vice versa (which means conan can do things kid cant for ppl who dont know(being careful dont want curses)   )
this answer is for pretz-chan(cant write the full user name srry)
well then i hope it satifys u any objections plzzz post
gtg study for a chemistry quiz tmw bye

[mangaluva]

My rebuttal:

He's immensely skilled at magic tricks
He's incredibly smart
He's fairly skilled at the martial arts
He's better at acrobatics than an Olympic Gymnast
He's really sweet
He's really funny
He's really brave
He's very devoted to the people that he loves
He's very protective of his friends
He has a strong sense of justice (though it's nothing to do with law)
He's very suave
He has amazing dress sense XD
He has a hilarious phobia
He's a dead shot
He's a master actor
He's really cute (with pretty eyes)

My list is longer than yours XD ♥

[bluekaitou1412]

Exactly what is cool about him?

Uhm, 'coz he can do things that most people can't.

So can Conan. In a way. I mean, he's like...freaky smart.

Kaito is also freaky smart.

Btw, I like clever people than "know-it-all" ones.

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

I do not hate Kaito Kid, but he is one of the few characters I dislike.

Top and by far the most important of my list of reasons I do not like Kaito Kid is that his mysteries are either way too easy or bloody impossible because they involve wordplay. Usually the less focused on Kid the case is, the better the mystery.
Kaito Kid on a boat (156-159) Way, way too easy. The only hitch was the wordplay involving who has the pearl.
The Meeting of Magicians in the snowy cabin (192-196) was probably one of the best Kid chapters in terms of mystery quality and character development. Kid's presence wasn't announced until the end, so the majority of the mystery was spent pretending like he didn't exist. I'm happy with that.
Gathering of the Detectives (299 - 302). This one was challenging and hinged on details. The manga chapter for this was poorly translated so I never even got to take a stab at the bloody japanese riddle.
Kaitou Kid's Midair Walk (453-456) Irritatingly simple. I figured it out in the second chapter.
Kichiemon's eccentric mansion case (475-478). I still can't figure out how in the bloody heck this became a Kid case. The transition from awesome plot related info to f-ed up wordplay was a bit too rushed. The murder part was so-so, but the gosh-awful Kichiemon wordplay... Urrgh.
Seiran painting murder case (544-547). The mystery and picking out Kid was pretty easy. A pretty forgettable case. It occurred to me that Kid seems to let the safety of others slip his mind when he fired his card gun at Ran and Kogoro luckily walked in front of it to take the hit for her. He could have severed a major artery in someone's leg with that.
Young Shinichi's adventure (570-573). It was cute to see Shinichi and Ran as kids but it was a wordplay based case which made it irritating. I wasn't too happy with Toichi tossing knives at children. Even if he wasn't going to hit them because he knew what he was doing, shouldn't he have considered the mentally scarring aspect?
Kid's Teleportation case (631-634) Another easy case with a minor amount of wordplay, but that didn't matter much as it was pretty obvious what he did.
Iron Tanuki (674-676) A case with wordplay. I didn't spend much time trying to figure it out because I was busy and sick.
Kirin's Horn (712-715) *&^% Kichiemon and his @#$*&>! wordplay. Also Kid officially crossed the a**hole line by using a taser on Conan.

The second most irritating aspect is that he is mostly a filler character. His story, with the Pandora gem and all, is incompatible with DC logic, so unless Gosho plans on majorly revising his back story, it is unlikely that anything involving Kid will be used to advance the plot. Every time a Kid case shows up, I lose hope that something plot related might come up. Also Kid cases seem to become more and more frequent and which is distressing since they are often my least favorite kinds.

Third is the movies fouled him up by letting him know Conan's identity. That bothered me. I will admit though that has led to some funny scenes which I do appreciate.

My main complaints about him are case and plot related, but I do have some nitpicks about his character. The main one is that Kaito Kid has progressively become more and more of jerk. He was a lot more safety conscious of others at first, but as the manga has progressed he has acted more and more cavalierly with others' safety, culminating in the taser incident. Conan's soccer ball is one thing, but edged projectiles and tasers are a whole different matter.
Additionally, Kaito Kid has zero character development in DC despite how often he has shown up recently so it is annoying that his portrayal is changing without letting the readers have any clue what to expect and why. It wound up impacting theories in the Kirin's Horn case. Maybe Gosho is darkening Kid's personality so that he will be a better rival for Shinichi but it would sure be nice to give us a heads up about this somehow.

[bluekaitou1412]

I am so not gonna quote your post, Chekhov, but your post made my inner KID fan angry. I'm sure you understand why. But no hard feelings here!

In the case of his mysteries being bloody impossible, well, don't you think that some Conan cases are a lot more unbelievable? Also, I can pinpoint Conan mystery cases that are too easy.

Kid does not let the "safety of others slip his mind" as it is shown in previous KID chapters (for the exception of the "tasering" one) that no one got hurt because of him.  I think the card gun fired at Kogoro is a "trick card" made to purposely pull your pants, not the usual sharp ones.

Toichi throwing knives, i think it's not a big deal. He's not Kaito, and he's skilled enough.

For the "taser" one, I do think that Conan's soccer ball "kicks" (read: accompanied with hi-powered shoes) aimed at Kaito are fairly dangerous too. It can severe any body part w/o protection, as it is shown that it can knock a person out. But I also think tasering Conan is unnecessary.

IMO, I think it would be easy for Kaito to know Conan's identity (the way he acts and such) and vice versa.

Lastly, I noticed that one deed bad enough for the eyes of some can really degrade a character's level. But it's Gosho to blame, not the character, right? He incorporated KID in DC even if he can hold his own in Magic Kaito.

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

In the case of his mysteries being bloody impossible, well, don't you think that some Conan cases are a lot more unbelievable? Also, I can pinpoint Conan mystery cases that are too easy.

It's not a matter of unbelievable or not, it's that a significant majority of Kid cases involve wordplay which puts it into the difficult or impossible to solve category for non-fluent Japanese speakers. My point is that the majority of Kid chapters, especially recent ones, have not been satisfying cases for me, to the level where I dread one showing up.

Kid does not let the "safety of others slip his mind" as it is shown in previous KID chapters (for the exception of the "tasering" one) that no one got hurt because of him.  I think the card gun fired at Kogoro is a "trick card" made to purposely pull your pants, not the usual sharp ones.

I'd love to hear an explanation about how two cards that, even if made of metal, can't weigh more than 100 grams apiece would -without strings- cause someone's pants to fall down in any way other than severing the belt.  ;D

Toichi throwing knives, i think it's not a big deal. He's not Kaito, and he's skilled enough.

The point was throwing knives at kids may be psychologically damaging.

For the "taser" one, I do think that Conan's soccer ball "kicks" (read: accompanied with hi-powered shoes) aimed at Kaito are fairly dangerous too. It can severe any body part w/o protection, as it is shown that it can knock a person out. But I also think tasering Conan is unnecessary.

Conan does take things over-the-top during confrontations with Kaitou Kid. He blew up a bike Kid was riding on in one instance and caused him to fall three stories onto rocky ground in a separate case. Kid wasn't being malicious at either time, so Conan's actions definitely seem OOC. It's another of the reasons I don't like Kid chapters; Conan does stupid and OOC things when Kid is around.

IMO, I think it would be easy for Kaito to know Conan's identity (the way he acts and such) and vice versa.

They met only once and then not even in person; Kaito at best glimpsed him from a helicopter. Also Kid never knew Shinichi as a child. If Shinichi didn't pick out Haibara being a shrunken adult despite her strange behavior and already being aware of the effect of APTX until she told him, I'm definitely sure Kaito, who doesn't have knowledge of a de-aging drug, could do any better. It's an unrealistic development.

But it's Gosho to blame, not the character, right?

I blame both.