Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 850-852

[Conan 48:69]

Spoiler:

Conan revealed to Jodie that the true identify of Bourbon and Scar Akai was actually Tooru Amuro.

[Nix]

All I can say is...

Spoiler:

YES.

@file

Spoiler:

Why would Amuro wanna run around in that disguise again? Is there more people to freak out? Maybe after rereading some files, he's suspicious again?

[Jecka]

Spoiler:

PLOT?!!

Yes!

:V

[mihai]

Spoiler:

PLOT?!!

Yes!

:V

we had plot as well in the case with the cooking show when it was proved that Shinichi and Ran met Sera before and that she knows Conan=Shinichi. But this is much better

Spoiler:

I missed Jodie and afte this case we'll clearly get a BO case(I hope). Also it was about time Conan got serious about the Amuro=Bourbon matter and Jodie seems to have figured out that Scar Akai was Amuro is disguise.

[ShiraKiryuu]

Just curious. Where's the source?

[Jecka]

Spoiler:

PLOT?!!

Yes!

:V

we had plot as well in the case with the cooking show when it was proved that Shinichi and Ran met Sera before and that she knows Conan=Shinichi. But this is much better

Ahh true I forgot about that

[ShadowGuy]

Spoiler:

Aah! It's so good to finally see Jodie after all this time. Looks like a very interesting file, looking forward to reading it.

Spoiler:

Bourbon running around in that disguise is pretty stupid and contradicting to what bourbon is supposed to be (an intelligent detective), as someone else said in the cbox, doesnt he have a better way of investigation?

Spoiler:

We don't really know for what reason Bourbon this time is using his disguise or if it's even Bourbon now(could be vermouth or someone else). I have a feeling that there's a whole new reason for Scar akai's recent appearance that doesn't have to do with Bourbon's former investigation.

[Pandora12]

Spoiler:

Shouldn't Jodie be thinking if it was Bourbon disguised as Akai then who left her the message on the coaster?

File 700 - Dangerous Area


Jodie should have recognized Akai's writing style

[Nix]

Just curious. Where's the source?

File 850:

Spoiler:

A copy from cbox:
Conan#1: File 850 Chinese: http://tieba.baidu.com/p/2189200523
1 Mar 13, 11:07 AM
Conan#1: Title of File 850: Bourbon's Objective
1 Mar 13, 12:46 PM
Henry1: Conan asks Jodie to investigate Amuro. A random guy tells Conan and Jodie that he saw scar Akai couple days before
1 Mar 13, 12:47 PM
Henry1: They go crazy and ask where he saw scar Akai. That guy doesn't seem to remember. Jodie tells him to contact her if he remembers
1 Mar 13, 12:51 PM
Henry1: Haibara asks Conan who Akai is and if he resembles her sister's girlfriend. Conan had to play dumb
1 Mar 13, 12:56 PM
henry1: Her sister's boyfriend*, a correction that I had to make in order to not start any rumors.
2 Mar 13, 12:32 AM
BD: Translations of some dialogues can be seen here: http://www.detectiveconanworld.com/foru ... /?p=289731
2 Mar 13, 12:47 AM
Henry1: pg4 Jodie shows up, kids ask Jodie if she is here to see the cherry blossom. Jodie, "Oh yes! I like cherry very much!"
2 Mar 13, 12:50 AM
Henry1: Haibara, "Really? I bet you(conan) are here to secretly have a chat with the teacher? You know, parks and shrines are often used by spies to exchange information..."
2 Mar 13, 12:51 AM
Henry1: pg5 Haibara, "but, this is also heavily watched by police, so be aware of that..." Jodie, "ok..."

[Nix]

A few ideas:

Spoiler:

The man.
 1. Looking at the translations, it says he was the husband of the wife who duct-taped Jodie at the bank robbery.
That is my first WHAT. File 678, pg 4 - the robber shouts "People with no companions come take a roll!" If the woman really is his wife, then why was she trying to tape Jodie instead of sitting in the companions group with her husband?
 2. This one's not too clear but, Jodie asks if Akai was in front of a canned-coffee vending machine which the man asks if Akai likes them. Jodie has a flashback of Akai dropping the can and replies 'Yes, he often drinks it.' In which the man replies, 'he must be tired, dropping the can like that'. Jodie never said a word about the dropping of the can. Could this man have been there on the scene?
 
So I'm thinking that the man may be Akai or Bourbon in disguise. Akai, because of point 2, but I don't think Akai'll be going around in public in a disguise. It may be Bourbon, now trying to face-to-face investigate Conan.

Thoughts?

[Stopwatch]

A few ideas:

Spoiler:

The man.
 1. Looking at the translations, it says he was the husband of the wife who duct-taped Jodie at the bank robbery.
That is my first WHAT. File 678, pg 4 - the robber shouts "People with no companions come take a roll!" If the woman really is his wife, then why was she trying to tape Jodie instead of sitting in the companions group with her husband?
 2. This one's not too clear but, Jodie asks if Akai was in front of a canned-coffee vending machine which the man asks if Akai likes them. Jodie has a flashback of Akai dropping the can and replies 'Yes, he often drinks it.' In which the man replies, 'he must be tired, dropping the can like that'. Jodie never said a word about the dropping of the can. Could this man have been there on the scene?
 
So I'm thinking that the man may be Akai or Bourbon in disguise. Akai, because of point 2, but I don't think Akai'll be going around in public in a disguise. It may be Bourbon, now trying to face-to-face investigate Conan.

Thoughts?

Just got what I posted yesterday. Might as well link to it here.

[Nix]

A few ideas:

Spoiler:

The man.
 1. Looking at the translations, it says he was the husband of the wife who duct-taped Jodie at the bank robbery.
That is my first WHAT. File 678, pg 4 - the robber shouts "People with no companions come take a roll!" If the woman really is his wife, then why was she trying to tape Jodie instead of sitting in the companions group with her husband?
 2. This one's not too clear but, Jodie asks if Akai was in front of a canned-coffee vending machine which the man asks if Akai likes them. Jodie has a flashback of Akai dropping the can and replies 'Yes, he often drinks it.' In which the man replies, 'he must be tired, dropping the can like that'. Jodie never said a word about the dropping of the can. Could this man have been there on the scene?
 
So I'm thinking that the man may be Akai or Bourbon in disguise. Akai, because of point 2, but I don't think Akai'll be going around in public in a disguise. It may be Bourbon, now trying to face-to-face investigate Conan.

Thoughts?

Just got what I posted yesterday. Might as well link to it here.

Spoiler:

[img width=300 height=200]http://i.imgur.com/cHSqp.gif[/img]

Spoiler:

That's a good point about the victim recognising the man, but not vice versa. I'm still not sure about the can dropping comment, but sometimes flashbacks are actually people talking at the same time, but readers only see the pictures. Or something.
About the Haibara not creeping out thing, it is strange. Perhaps because Amuro was in the police academy, and we all know that he is kinda a nice guy.. :-/

[Pmofmalasia]

Spoiler:

For those who don't already know, a partial translation of the file is here: http://www.dctp.ws/Latest/Spoilers/V80-11Read/A1.html

And now I'm going to paste what I said in the spoiler cbox here, and add some stuff (okay, this ended up being a TON of stuff) I left out to save space:

I'm not totally convinced that guy is Bourbon. Mainly for the reason that he was in the bank as Scar Akai, and he knows what happened. So he should also know that the people without companions were the ones told to tape people up. If he were going to pick a disguise, knowing this he wouldn't claim to be the wife of someone who was supposed to be alone. The guy probably isn't Vermouth, since she wouldn't have to fake a cold and have a suspicious husky voice. This really only leaves Akai. It explains why the guy barely reacted when she mentioned the attack. Yeah, he asked about it, but it's a pretty half-hearted reaction to hearing about an attack from some mysterious organization.  It would also explain how he knew about Akai dropping the can, but it's not really known whether Jodie mentioned it or just thought about it.  If she did mention it though, it adds to his half-hearted reaction about the attack.  Some mysterious attack would be much more interesting to comment on than a guy dropping his can of coffee.  Plus, when he drops the coffee, Jodie makes a comment about how tired he is, which is something only Akai, Jodie and Conan would know about.  Why would the man automatically assume that Akai was tired?  Why not clumsy?

Also, I think it's likely that Bourbon isn't actually walking around as Scar Akai anymore. It wouldn't have been around anyone that he could get a reaction from, and it's not like he'd rely on some random guy telling Jodie that he saw him.  Plus, he's already run into everyone that he could get a reaction from anyway, as far as Bourbon knows he's still covert except for (to him) the mystery man on the train. The FBI had nothing to do with that, so their reactions should be no different even after he thought he saw Akai.  To be fair, though, he doesn't know for sure that the man on the train isn't connected with the FBI, and it definitely made him suspicious about Akai again, so he could be double-checking.

As for what Bourbon could possibly be investigating (if I'm wrong and it is him), I'd say that he's trying to see if anyone mentions his codename.  As far as he knows, none of the FBI know his codename.  So if they mention him, then he knows something is up.  Not sure how he would get this information by disguising as a random person though, but then again Jodie did slip up earlier >_>.  Disguising as Scar Akai would probably be better for this, since if the FBI avoids Scar Akai now instead of reacting to him as they did, then he might think he was discovered on the train.  I don't think he actually is doing this though, since as I said earlier he didn't walk around near anyone important.

I'm not really sure what Akai's motive for disguising could be, since it doesn't seem like you could really get much information by disguising as a random guy .

EDIT: Ah, almost forgot.  Haibara not reacting to him doesn't really give us much information.  She only occasionally reacts to Akai/Okiya, and even though she does react to Bourbon it's never really been emphasized, so it's unclear how strong the reaction is.  Also, the man says that he was to the back side of Jodie during the robbery.  I checked and didn't see him, but it's not like there's a great view of the background characters either.

Also, I should point out that while Akai wouldn't know for sure whether or not the person who taped up Jodie was a man or a woman (i.e. whether or not to say that it was his wife), he could easily say that his wife was taping up other people, and must have assumed that she taped up Jodie as well.

And, (hopefully) lastly, a possible (but, admittedly, flimsy) motive for Akai to disguise as a random guy would be to see Jodie's reaction to Scar Akai.  Since he doesn't know exactly what the Scar Akai disguise looks like, he'd be unable to get it perfect (meaning the scar, obviously he could get the rest down perfectly ), so the only way he could see her knee-jerk reaction would be by disguising as this random guy.  Plus, if she did know about Bourbon being Scar Akai, it would be risky if she reacted violently/tried to tail him (meaning Akai pretending to be Bourbon.... pretending to be Akai).  Of course, he could also ask Conan, but we all know how little information is shared in this series >_>.  Or perhaps he wanted to see her reaction himself instead of just being told?  They did used to date so some emotional connection wouldn't be too unlikely.

Holy hell sorry for all of that, but there's just so much to talk about from this file!  :D  Can't wait to see what comes up in the rest of the case  :)

[Cider]

Spoiler:

PLOT PLOT PLOT PLOT PLOT PLOT
Hallelujah for plot.[me=Cider]dances around happily[/me]

But anyway, back to the main topic. I find it interesting that ScarKai is still wandering around, objective unknown.
He can be either Bourbon, Vermouth, or a third unknown person (which is unlikely).
If ScarKai is indeed Bourbon this time, I think he has a good idea that Akai is still alive and still trying to bait him out. However, I don't think Vermouth would have helped him with the disguise, since she believes Akai to be dead, and she wants Bourbon to believe that Sherry is dead also.
I somehow have the feeling that this ScarKai was Vermouth just being her mysterious self like always.

Now we just gotta wait another 50 files for some major plot!

[Partsu]

YES!!!
now if I could just understand chinese...