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[EpoxElypse]

So whats your outtake on the current volume of the manga?

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[codename64546]

is bourbon = shuichi?

[EpoxElypse]

I believe it is.

Here's an assumption from Wikipedia.

"Suspicious Death

In volume 58, Akai and Conan plan an elaborate scheme to reinfiltrate Kir in the organization. Gin forces Kir to kill Shuuichi near the Reiha falls to prove her loyality to the organization. Shuichi is aware that it is a set-up, but he also realizes that Kir would be killed if he does not come. The name of the place could be a reference to the Reichenbach falls, where Sherlock Holmes faked his death. Due to this and several significant inconsistencies[5], Shuuichi Akai may not have died. It is widely held in the Case Closed fandom that a recently introduced character, Subaru Okiya (japanese order: OKIYA Subaru), is actually Shuuichi. Mainly because the character's name is a clever pun on a part of Char Aznable's real name: キャスãƒ

[Jd-]

I think that Okiya = Akai, but not that Akai/Okiya = Bourbon. Gosho just seems to be setting it up that way--this is kinda what he does, after all .

[shinichi]

[quote="EpoxElypse"]
I believe it is.

Here's an assumption from Wikipedia.

"Suspicious Death

In volume 58, Akai and Conan plan an elaborate scheme to reinfiltrate Kir in the organization. Gin forces Kir to kill Shuuichi near the Reiha falls to prove her loyality to the organization. Shuichi is aware that it is a set-up, but he also realizes that Kir would be killed if he does not come. The name of the place could be a reference to the Reichenbach falls, where Sherlock Holmes faked his death. Due to this and several significant inconsistencies[5], Shuuichi Akai may not have died. It is widely held in the Case Closed fandom that a recently introduced character, Subaru Okiya (japanese order: OKIYA Subaru), is actually Shuuichi. Mainly because the character's name is a clever pun on a part of Char Aznable's real name: キャスãƒ

[EpoxElypse]

[quote="shinichi"]
[quote="EpoxElypse"]
I believe it is.

Here's an assumption from Wikipedia.

"Suspicious Death

In volume 58, Akai and Conan plan an elaborate scheme to reinfiltrate Kir in the organization. Gin forces Kir to kill Shuuichi near the Reiha falls to prove her loyality to the organization. Shuichi is aware that it is a set-up, but he also realizes that Kir would be killed if he does not come. The name of the place could be a reference to the Reichenbach falls, where Sherlock Holmes faked his death. Due to this and several significant inconsistencies[5], Shuuichi Akai may not have died. It is widely held in the Case Closed fandom that a recently introduced character, Subaru Okiya (japanese order: OKIYA Subaru), is actually Shuuichi. Mainly because the character's name is a clever pun on a part of Char Aznable's real name: キャスãƒ

[meitantei.purple.rose]

I actually don't think that that Akai and Okiya are the same person. I think that it's 1 of three possibilities:

1) Akai is not really dead and is recuperating someplace. Before his fakes death, he made a plan with Conan. Okiya is working for Akai, and the Holmes quote is the password agreed on by Akai and Conan.

2) same thing as #1, only Akai is actually dead and Okiya is his successor.

3)same thing as #1, only unbeknownst to Conan and Shuichi, Okiya is actually a spy from the Black Org.

Why I think Akai is not dead: Before Eisuke left for America, he told Conan that someone from the FBI most likely died (he was referring to Akai). However, instead of being shocked, Conan smirks as if everything was going according to plan.

Why I think Akai and Okiya are not the same person: Conan gave Okiya the key because Okiya used the password (the Holmes quote). However, Conan is careful not to let Okiya know that the house he is staying at is Shinichi's. If Okiya is Akai, it wouldn't matter. But if Okiya is a middleman chosen by Akai, then Conan would be much more careful (as he is).

Why I think Okiya may or may not be a member of the Black Org.: He was drinking bourbon. If that isn't the most obvious case of foreshadowing ever, I will eat my laptop.

[Uso~yo]

I think that Akai is part of the black organization but isn't Okiya Subaru...
Also, because the whole 'Okiya subaru=Bourbon?' plot is very similar to 'Jodie Saintmilion=Vermouth?' plot, I think this time Subaru might really be Bourbon and Conan letting him into his house is for some sort of a plan he has...

[Jd-]

I think it all really comes down to just how closely Gosho wants to emulate the actual story behind Holmes & Reichenbach from "The Final Problem." Though only briefly (this was a short story after all), Holmes returns in disguise as an old book-keeper in his eventual return in "The Empty House" to resolve the Park Lane murder. Gosho has already established a few allusions to the Holmes canon since Akai's "death" (not to mention the reference to "Reicha" Falls or whatnot), so to see him using this sort of plot-line--but extending it considerably with Okiya being a regular character--doesn't surprise me in the least.

[ten]

If you believe that Akai faked his death (as was his and Conan's plan) and is still working against the Black organization, then it makes some sense that Akai=Okiya=Bourbon.. but

One thing remains to conflict with this being the pretense Conan puts up to ensure Okiya doesn't know the house is Shinichi's --

I don't remember, so can anyone tell me if Conan has revealed to anyone at the FBI (including or not Akai) that he is actually Shinichi?

I can only seem to remember that he hasn't ... seemingly keeping the knowledge of Haibara and the drug from them.

Also, if Akai is really dead or has not infiltrated the Black org, who is keeping in contact with Mizunashi Rena?

[Akai-Shuichi]

No, none of them know that he is Shinichi.

[Akai Shuichi]

Well, I know for sure that Akai planned out something with conan before the Reicha falls incident with Rena. It was mainly for the BO to regain Rena's trust and Akai probably made it appear as though he died, while he might be still hiding somewhere for the time being (probably as Okiya) to protect Rena since if it was still found out by her or FBI that he is still alive then its simply goodbye to Rena. Although the plan has not been fully executed I think that it really depends on Rena for rest of it atleast. Whether or not he is dead or alive is up to Aoyoma to decide after all, he might change his planned plot if he stumbled upon one of the wonders of the DCTP...lol

[tetra26]

I believe that Akai is still alive, but I'm not so sure that he is Okiya. However, I do believe that Bourbon, whoever s/he is, is going to be a turncoat against the Black Org. It would make perfect sense for Akai=Okiya=Bourbon however, and that Conan knows that Akai is alive.

[BuuHuu]

i think, that nobody of the fbi know, that conan is shinichi.
but it can be, that akai know it already that conan shinichi is. may be due to the new plan. but the reader of the manga don´t know it actually.
this would may be released later in the arc or when the plan is clear.

[Jd-]

It's obvious that Conan hasn't told the FBI directly that he is Kudo Shinichi. While certain members, such as Jodie, have probably guessed he shrunk like Haibara... That doesn't mean they know he's Kudo Shinichi. I've been saying lately that maybe Conan doesn't want Akai to know that Conan is Kudo Shinichi exactly (in that I also believe Okiya = Akai). I'm not sure exactly why he wouldn't want Akai to know, but it's obvious that the less people that know the better.

I would say Conan and Akai planned his "death" up until the point where he comes to live at Conan's "relative's house" next door to where Agasa lives. Whatever Conan's motivation was for not telling him his real name, that's how I think it happened. We'll find out eventually I guess (lol).