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Hello, I am new here, and this is my first post, so please dont get too mad if I mess up. Anyway, lets begin.

I do not know if the boss is Male or Female, so I may refer to "That Person" as "he", or "she".

I think that Anokata would have a very different personality then he may show.
Examples:
  • Kogoro Mouri seems to be quite stupid throughout the series, but if he is the boss, he would actually be very smart.
  • Ran Mouri is very sweet, but if she were to be the boss, she would be very mean.
  • Yoko Okino would never kill, but if she were the boss, she would kill without hesitation.
My point of this being Anokata will completely defy the character whom he/ or she is personality.


First, I have a list of people in the show that I think can not be Anokata. Lets begin.

Shinichi Kudo:
  • He is the main protagonist and we are told the story from his point of view. Obviously he is not the boss.
  • He would not go through all he go's through if he were the boss. He is the only character who can not be the boss.
Shiho Miyano / Ai Haibara:
  • Gosho stated that when she finds out who the boss is she would be very surprised.
  • She would not have had Gin and Vermouth attempt to kill her.
Gin, Vodka, Vermouth, Chianti, Korn, Bourbon:
  • I do not think that BO members could be the Boss as they cannot take on both jobs, and this would be a disappointment.
  • I do not think Vermouth, specifically, could be the Boss because she is American, and I highly doubt Anokata is American.
  • Vodka is too dumb to be the boss.
Jodie Starling, James Black, Andre Camel:
  • I do not think that anyone who is not Japanese is "that person"/
  • I do not think an FBI member, with the exception of Shuichi Akai, although still unlikely, could be the boss.
Kaitou Kuroba:
  • I really, highly doubt that Gosho would make his other series protagonist, Kaito Kid, or Kaitou Kuroba, Anokata.
  • Kaitou is trying to find the Pandora Gem, so I do not think he would have time to run an organization.
  • Kaito Kid does not murder.

Now a list of people I believe could very likely be the boss.

Heiji Hattori:
  • This character could likely be "that person" because of the fact that he quickly discovered Shinichi Kudo's identity, and on his own. Even though he is a detective, he is very suspicious.
  • This character seems to talk to Kudo alot about the BO, and could likely be seeing how much he knows, keeping an eye on him.
Sonoko Suzuki:
  • She hangs out with Ran and Kudo alot, and seems to be aware that Conan is not just a normal kid.
  • Her family is rich, so she could very likely be a head of an evil organization, as it would not surprise me.
  • She is young, so could have used something the organization created to be young forever, like Vermouth.
Yukiko Kudo:
  • She knows Vermouth very well, which could explain why she is The Boss' favourate.
  • She has enough money to be able to run an organization.
  • She seems to have very strange connections.
  • She is a master of disguise.
Eri Kisaki:
  • She seems to be aware that Conan is not your average seven year old.
  • She has the evil eye like Gin.
  • She has something against a few of the characters.

These are just my opinions, so criticize all you want, but please do not be mean or rude about it. I know already I could be completely wrong, but half the fun is guessing! :P[/list]
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Eri is a divorced woman.

Her evil eye can kill small mammals. Gin's can't.
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I don't think Yukiko nor Eri could be the BO boss... But first... does the BO boss that Gin shrunk Shinichi?
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Hmm... you bring up some good points, though I disagree with the Eri one. Aoyama makes it clear that despite the fact Eri and Kogorou are separated she still loves him, yet Gin says that Anokata agreed to Kogorou's assasination.
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Stopwatch wrote: Hmm... you bring up some good points, though I disagree with the Eri one. Aoyama makes it clear that despite the fact Eri and Kogorou are separated she still loves him, yet Gin says that Anokata agreed to Kogorou's assasination.
Kogoro is still tied directly to the Itakura and Tequila murder investigations, which also involved someone investigating the Org., and the hit men still haven't come back. I suspect someone high in the Org. doesn't really want to kill him unless it's proven to be necessary beyond doubt. Someone besides Vermouth, after the Boss lost some faith and pulled in her leash. Eri is too young to be the boss herself (unless she's a better actor than Haibara and Conan and APTX victims can age like normal children), but I wouldn't be surprised if she or someone else close to Ran's family is Org.
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boba772 wrote: 1) I do not think that BO members could be the Boss as they cannot take on both jobs, and this would be a disappointment.
2) I do not think Vermouth, specifically, could be the Boss because she is American, and I highly doubt Anokata is American.
3) Vodka is too dumb to be the boss.
4) She hangs out with Ran and Kudo alot, and seems to be aware that Conan is not just a normal kid. (Sonoko)
5) She seems to be aware that Conan is not your average seven year old. (Eri)
ok, changed the quote pretty much, but ok:

1) Why would that be a disappointment? I wold say it is a cool plot twist. One of my theories is even that "Bourboun" is the bos.
2) Why shouldn't he be? He could be that german soccer lover Genta thought he nearly killed for all we know.
3) Perhaps he is just pretending?  8-)
5) As does Takagi, Satou, that scar-faced dark policeman and the other two (see the blood-red wall case), KID, sometimes even the DB,....
4) Sry, but.... I simply have a problem with that statement
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Nyarl wrote: Kogoro is still tied directly to the Itakura and Tequila murder investigations, which also involved someone investigating the Org., and the hit men still haven't come back. I suspect someone high in the Org. doesn't really want to kill him unless it's proven to be necessary beyond doubt. Someone besides Vermouth, after the Boss lost some faith and pulled in her leash. Eri is too young to be the boss herself (unless she's a better actor than Haibara and Conan and APTX victims can age like normal children), but I wouldn't be surprised if she or someone else close to Ran's family is Org.
The distinction is that Kogoro is coincidentally involved in Black Org related cases. He has legitimate-upon-examination reasons for being at both places because he was invited/hired to be there by someone (as far as we know) completely unrelated to the Org: the company who made a game based off of Kogoro and Itakura's clients. If you think the Org would still suspect Kogoro being there despite those reasons, why not suspect Megure who was at both cases when other police inspectors could have handled the case? If you look at it that way, Megure has been involved in more Black Org related cases than Kogoro has been and he is a police officer on top of that. Why not go after him?
Although I also suspect the Org boss is related to the Mouri family somehow, other than Vermouth who feels for Conan and Ran, I don't think any upper level Org members, boss included, have any special reason to not target Kogoro if they thought he was suspicious. Other than Gin who suspects after Org vs. FBI, and Vermouth who knows but is keeping it to herself, I don't think Kogoro is on the Org's radar as anyone but a generic good detective to avoid if possible.

Also, somewhat relevant to this topic is a similar list as the OP's of why various characters aren't the boss. Characters covered currently include James Black, Jodie, Agasa, Elena, Atsushi, Eri, Kogoro, Yuusaku, Yoko Okino, Akemi, Inspectors Momose, Yuminaga, Sango, Juugo, and Yamamura, and Karasuwa Renya.
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Heiji or Sonoko, two 17 years olds, at the head of an evil organization ? You're getting a bit carried away here. :P

If Yukiko was the boss, she would have know about Vermouth and would not have been sort of disappointed when Conan told her the truth about her old friend (it's implied when she thinks something along the lines of "Is this true...Sharon" while on the boat in volume 42).

Eri seems to be a better choice given the cat reference in the Itakura case, but I doubt that she'll be used for anything other then her love story with Kogoro (+ what Chekhov said).  
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Wakarimashita wrote: If Yukiko was the boss, she would have know about Vermouth and would not have been sort of disappointed when Conan told her the truth about her old friend (it's implied when she thinks something along the lines of "Is this true...Sharon" while on the boat in volume 42).
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lol!! ran mouri??!! hahaahhahahaha!!
IF IT IS RAN THEN SHE WOULD NOT BE STUPID  MISSING SHINICHI..dang it!! why this innocent girl is in your theory..tskkkkkkkkkkkkk.....
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  • angelranchan wrote: lol!! ran mouri??!! hahaahhahahaha!!
    IF IT IS RAN THEN SHE WOULD NOT BE STUPID  MISSING SHINICHI..dang it!! why this innocent girl is in your theory..tskkkkkkkkkkkkk.....
    is she?
    boba772 wrote:

    Now a list of people I believe could very likely be the boss.

    Heiji Hattori:
    • This character could likely be "that person" because of the fact that he quickly discovered Shinichi Kudo's identity, and on his own. Even though he is a detective, he is very suspicious.
    • This character seems to talk to Kudo alot about the BO, and could likely be seeing how much he knows, keeping an eye on him.
    Sonoko Suzuki:
    • She hangs out with Ran and Kudo alot, and seems to be aware that Conan is not just a normal kid.
    • Her family is rich, so she could very likely be a head of an evil organization, as it would not surprise me.
    • She is young, so could have used something the organization created to be young forever, like Vermouth.
    Yukiko Kudo:
    • She knows Vermouth very well, which could explain why she is The Boss' favourate.
    • She has enough money to be able to run an organization.
    • She seems to have very strange connections.
    • She is a master of disguise.
    Eri Kisaki:
    • She seems to be aware that Conan is not your average seven year old.
    • She has the evil eye like Gin.
    • She has something against a few of the characters.
    or were you referring to this?
    boba772 wrote:
    • Ran Mouri is very sweet, but if she were to be the boss, she would be very mean.
    sweetheart,the guy clearly said..
    boba772 wrote: My point of this being Anokata will completely defy the character whom he/ or she is personality.
    and er..about this..
    angelranchan wrote:
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    *sigh*
    boba772 wrote: These are just my opinions, so criticize all you want, but please do not be mean or rude about it. I know already I could be completely wrong, but half the fun is guessing! :P
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as for who the bo boss is.. well, i don't know..  :P just that gosho said s/he's someone ai wouldn't expect to be the boss..  ;)
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@boba:
I wouldn't exclude all BO members from being the Boss just because they "do the dirty work" for the boss. Because, in order to keep control over the organization, anokata could hide in his own BO so he can watch over them and see if someone betrays him/her or not.
Even if he/she has loyal members that he trusts, it's always better to watch over stuff yourself.

@chek:
I'm not convinced completly about Yoko not being able to be Anokata at all :V
Back when she looked for help, Kogoro wasn't such a renowned detective yet. And if she's anokata and asks the BO for help, they would know who anokata is.
Also, I doubt Rena told the BO about the stalking. Since if she would have asked the BO for help, the help would be that that Stalker would be killed. Since she didn't know who the stalker was (and probably a fan), she wouldn't want him/her to die. So if she just told Yoko about it, just yoko would be able to help her.
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Kleene Onigiri wrote: @chek:
I'm not convinced completly about Yoko not being able to be Anokata at all :V
Back when she looked for help, Kogoro wasn't such a renowned detective yet. And if she's anokata and asks the BO for help, they would know who anokata is.
If she was the boss, she could probably resolve it herself by talking/applying pressure to the right people. She wouldn't have to use her boss persona to do it even; just talk to Kezawa Yuuko's manager and tell her to cut it out. If Yoko is the boss, she would be capable of bugging her own apartment to catch on video who was intruding, or she might not even need do that if she was a good judge of character and motivation. If she had to use the Org, then she could ask a closely trusted member, like Vermouth, for assistance. Vermouth flew out to help Psico, she could do the same for the boss at least. Besides, it would be weird to turn to an outside detective anyway to figure out who was stalking her instead of using Org resources because if Yoko didn't know who was doing it, and even if it was clumsy, how could she be sure it wasn't someone who meant harm to her anyway?
Kleene Onigiri wrote: Also, I doubt Rena told the BO about the stalking. Since if she would have asked the BO for help, the help would be that that Stalker would be killed. Since she didn't know who the stalker was (and probably a fan), she wouldn't want him/her to die. So if she just told Yoko about it, just yoko would be able to help her.
The Nanatsu no Ko text Conan overheard was her telling the boss about some "random problem" that she resolved. She also mentioned the "random problem" to Gin when he called her right after. At least Gin or the boss knew that Kir had brought Kogoro over and he stayed the night because of "some silly little case". That's why Gin got authorization to kill Kogoro after they found the tracker on Kir's shoe. Gin is a self-admitted worrywart and it's his job (General Oversight Division (CD 237)) to keep an eye on other members, so he probably asked what kind of case Kogoro was brought over to deal with for him to cast the judgement that it was a silly little case.
Kleene Onigiri wrote: @boba:
I wouldn't exclude all BO members from being the Boss just because they "do the dirty work" for the boss. Because, in order to keep control over the organization, anokata could hide in his own BO so he can watch over them and see if someone betrays him/her or not.
Even if he/she has loyal members that he trusts, it's always better to watch over stuff yourself.
Vermouth has an alibi from the car text following the showdown with her.
Gin and Vodka should have alibis as well. They were at the hotel busy looking for Pisco and thus had no time to have seen the picture of Pisco shooting the chandelier in tomorrow's news that "had now been posted online" according to Agasa. Then Gin and Vodka suddenly knew about the picture following a brief interlude on the roof after Sherry fell down the chimney. It makes sense that when the boss issued his order to Gin and Vodka to kill Pisco, he explained he had been caught in the newspaper photo.
Kir is CIA so she is out unless you dig conspiracy theories.
Chianti and Korn don't have a secure alibi, although they seemed to not know about Kogoro until they were ordered to switch targets.
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Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:
Kleene Onigiri wrote: @chek:
I'm not convinced completly about Yoko not being able to be Anokata at all :V
Back when she looked for help, Kogoro wasn't such a renowned detective yet. And if she's anokata and asks the BO for help, they would know who anokata is.
If she was the boss, she could probably resolve it herself by talking/applying pressure to the right people. She wouldn't have to use her boss persona to do it even; just talk to Kezawa Yuuko's manager and tell her to cut it out. If she had to use the Org, then she could ask a closely trusted member, like Vermouth, for assistance. It would be weird to turn to an outside detective anyway to figure out who was stalking her instead of using Org resources because if Yoko didn't know who was doing it, and even if it was clumsy, how could she be sure it wasn't a someone who meant harm to her anyway?
Kleene Onigiri wrote: Also, I doubt Rena told the BO about the stalking. Since if she would have asked the BO for help, the help would be that that Stalker would be killed. Since she didn't know who the stalker was (and probably a fan), she wouldn't want him/her to die. So if she just told Yoko about it, just yoko would be able to help her.
The Nanatsu no Ko text Conan overheard was her telling the boss about some "random problem" that she resolved. She also mentioned the "random problem" to Gin when he called her right after. They could always look into it.
Wasn't vermouth still out of Japan then?
Also, if she wants to keep her "innocent Yoko image", she would need to solve the problem herself. Especially since her manager knew about it. And it's not given that the manager is also BO in case she's anokata.

Like said, if rena would have asked the BO for help, it's likely to have been solved violently.
And it would also hurt her Kir image, since she was said to be a "beast" by Gin. So she should be able to solving a stalking like that herself. And informing the BO more about it would also have meant for rena, that there are even more BO members around her to keep a watch on her. And she didn't want that.
So she probably said, that there is something, but that she'll handle it alone to the BO
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Kleene Onigiri wrote:Wasn't vermouth still out of Japan then?
Also, if she wants to keep her "innocent Yoko image", she would need to solve the problem herself. Especially since her manager knew about it. And it's not given that the manager is also BO in case she's anokata.

Like said, if rena would have asked the BO for help, it's likely to have been solved violently.
And it would also hurt her Kir image, since she was said to be a "beast" by Gin. So she should be able to solving a stalking like that herself. And informing the BO more about it would also have meant for rena, that there are even more BO members around her to keep a watch on her. And she didn't want that.
So she probably said, that there is something, but that she'll handle it alone to the BO
I edited my post while you were posting. I'm still not quite done yet. Sorry, I didn't think you would reply so fast.
Edit: I think I'm done now.
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