Kogoro's knowledge about the situation

[ftsh]

First of all, hello everyone, I'm "ftsh" (if someone gets the meaning of that wins a royal cookie), I came to this forum for the sole purpose of discussing DC's storyline and presenting some theories. By experience in the Kingdom Hearts forums, my theories tend to be lift a lot of fan aggression (normally some "that-noob-can't-be-right"), but 5 out of 6 were accurate to say at least so I came to win some confidence in them.

On a special note, I didn't read the manga and am sensibly 10 episodes delayed in the anime, so some incoherences may come from there.


So the thesis I want to defend today is: Kogoro knows Conan's identity.

As facts that support this I present:
If there's some sense in Detective Conan I think it would be only logical that Kogoro knows how he is being used, since he heard several times his voice while being awake and in the last BO case in the anime (where a man tried to bomb a shopping mall, with scared akkai and Bourbon), he was awake, reading the end of the deduction in his cellphone in an almost non-interruptive manner in relation to Conan's.

Kogoro can't possibly be so stupid to the point where he wouldn't understand what's happening, I remark  that in the cases that he really tried and thought he had to solve his deductions and thinking time were on par with Conan's.

Based on this I defend that kogoro is just playing dumb the whole time, but then there's two questions we should definitively ask:

Why would he do that?

After knowing Shinishi's situation, he decided to help him, taking the responsibilities for the cases while obligating him to act (if Kogoro solved the cases right away Shinishi would probably stop worrying, leading to his degradation, or so could Kogoro think).

Proof: other than the situation stated above, sometime ago in the anime Kogoro was recognized to start developing defenses to the tazer, but the matter wasn't developed till today although a load of cases (and taser-uses) already came and go, why could that be? If he was just facking his sleep the problem would be logically solved.

But if that is so, why his detective agency was how it was like it was in the start of the story?

This is the tricky question, maybe lacked motivation? I'm actually open-minded to opinions on this matter, following my explanation (lack of motivation), this point doesn't really matter that much for the thesis.


Another thing that should be asked here is the when. When did Kogoro notice? Well I guess somewhere in the first 100 cases, where he wasn't that dumb.
Well that's it and, I guess, quite enough for a first post.       

[Abs.]

Conan would never have enough time to figure out any of the cases out if Kogorou (or whoever) didn't buy him time with their flawed deductions.

[ftsh]

Conan would never have enough time to figure out any of the cases out if Kogorou (or whoever) didn't buy him time with their flawed deductions.

Fun, I can't take anything from that statement, are you agreeing with the theory or not?

Maybe you're telling why Kogouro is there as a character and his position in the series? But then again, involved with the situation he already is (almost snipped by the BO and in risk if Conan's identity is revealed).

[sstimson]

I think this theory is very unlikely unless Kogoro is a VERY good actor. Here why
Notice how he reacts when he hears Shinichi name. I do not notice any of that kind of reaction while Conan is in the room and he does not seem to treat Conan likely he would treat Shinichi. He also not not seem to try and hint / train Conan to behave the way a father might want his future son-in law to treat his daughter . He knows Ran likes Shinichi a lot, maybe even to the point of love.

I do think He know who is darting him and gives him head taps in revenge. But he let it go otherwise as it is making him famous and earning him lots of money.

[Shuusgirl]

I don't think that Kogoro knows most of it, possibly not even that Conan's darting him.  However, I did think it was a little suspicious in the last file (766) with what he said. 
Conan: Do you know how ramen is made?
Kogoro: Hm?  A thing like you should ask the expert...Ah, that's right... If he'd placed the poison into something while he made the ramen, there's no way he'd answer you.
He then proceeds to explain it.  The thing that caught my attention was that there was no, "don't interrupt while I'm working", or "you're gonna mess up the crime scene!" or anything.  He treated Conan more or less like an equal. 

[PokerFace312]

I don't think that Kogoro knows most of it, possibly not even that Conan's darting him.  However, I did think it was a little suspicious in the last file (766) with what he said. 
Conan: Do you know how ramen is made?
Kogoro: Hm?  A thing like you should ask the expert...Ah, that's right... If he'd placed the poison into something while he made the ramen, there's no way he'd answer you.
He then proceeds to explain it.  The thing that caught my attention was that there was no, "don't interrupt while I'm working", or "you're gonna mess up the crime scene!" or anything.  He treated Conan more or less like an equal. 

I agree, that seemed a bit odd. It almost seemed like Kogoro knew that it's Conan who solves all the cases, which wouldn't be surprising considering all the times he's shot Kogoro with the darts while in plain view...

[Commi-Ninja]

My theory (purely ridiculous, not intended to be taken as an actual theory):  The tranquilizer darts Conan always hits Kogoro with not only put him to sleep, but have also affected his brain and possibly his memory.

As for whether he knows Conan isn't who he says he is, whether he realizes that Conan=Shinichi or not, I couldn't say.

But... sstimson has a point:

I think this theory is very unlikely unless Kogoro is a VERY good actor.

[xpon]

ftsh = Fetish

[Dus]

Conan would never have enough time to figure out any of the cases out if Kogorou (or whoever) didn't buy him time with their flawed deductions.

Fun, I can't take anything from that statement, are you agreeing with the theory or not?

Maybe what he's saying is that his deductions are flawed on purpose? Or he's just being random. Anyway, there is a very similar topic already: viewtopic.php?t=2611.0

[ShiraKiryuu]

I also believe in this since Kogoro should have already noticed that he is being used by Conan since it already happened for more than 500 cases afaik.

Although I think that he still doesn't know that Conan is Shinichi.

[ftsh]

ftsh = Fetish

Yah! Exactly! Nahn. But good try, never thought of that to say the truth

Conan would never have enough time to figure out any of the cases out if Kogorou (or whoever) didn't buy him time with their flawed deductions.

Fun, I can't take anything from that statement, are you agreeing with the theory or not?

Maybe what he's saying is that his deductions are flawed on purpose? Or he's just being random. Anyway, there is a very similar topic already: viewtopic.php?t=2611.0

Ups! I swear that the search feature betrayed me ( always gave error when I tried to search kogorou or other keywords ), but isn't that threat dead by now? If so I guess it isn't that bad to revive the theme.

Now for the real thing:

I think this theory is very unlikely unless Kogoro is a VERY good actor. Here why
Notice how he reacts when he hears Shinichi name. I do not notice any of that kind of reaction while Conan is in the room and he does not seem to treat Conan likely he would treat Shinichi. He also not not seem to try and hint / train Conan to behave the way a father might want his future son-in law to treat his daughter . He knows Ran likes Shinichi a lot, maybe even to the point of love.

I do think He know who is darting him and gives him head taps in revenge. But he let it go otherwise as it is making him famous and earning him lots of money.

What's that hard about that? For the job he only needs to throw random clues and deductions (what I think is fairly easy seeing what he shouted till now) and he couldn't change from hating Shinishi to loving him, the persons around him would notice, so he jsut needs to have an hate reaction every-time he hears his name and I don't see why Kogorou would train Shinishi to be a good son-in-law, anime characters normally only think until the "forever after" point.

In an anime full to the top of actors, Kogorou's paper would be, by far, the absolute easiest and has stated above he even spilled the beans sometimes.  

[Kor]

See, here is a problem. This is a forum board that is more directed at those who read the manga. Not saying that you shouldn't be here, but if you don't want to see spoilers, then......you shouldn't be here.
If you want this to be an anime only discussion without spoilers from the manga, we can move this thread to the general discussion board where spoilers from the manga are not allowed. However, if you don't mind the spoilers, then there's no problem.

[Crap4869]

If Kogorou knew about Conan doing the detective work, the chance of him seeing Conan as Shinichi is still low.
Even though the watch with tranquilizer is weird enough, he wouldn't reach the point of believing that Shinichi shrank that easily.
In the earlier episodes, again assuming he knew that Conan was the real Sleeping Kogorou, he probably saw Conan as a brilliant detective and nothing more, possibly using him as, much like in his case, most people won't believe what a kid says.

Notice that similar to Ran, Kogorou witnessed Kudou's appearance when Ai disguised as Conan was around in the desperate revival arc. A contradiction appears, so he would probably think of possibilities whether or not Conan is Kudou but in all probabilities he probably sees Conan similar to Ran right now, just an exceptionally intelligent boy. (who allegedly learns everything from TV, not exactly a good message to convey to public. lol) By not exposing Conan as being the real Sleeping Kogorou, he gets to continue enjoying his fame and the likes while nothing harmful is going on. (at least in his case. he probably didn't know much about BO nearly killing him.) Thus to him it would be better if he kept quiet anyway. And let me repeat this again, I'm fairly indifferent to this theory, but all the things here are assuming he knows. Although of course, if he didn't feel anything wrong since Conan's appearance then it'd be ridiculous.

[Dark Ren]

Although of course, if he didn't feel anything wrong since Conan's appearance then it'd be ridiculous.

this. kogorou (even he is a very dumb man) should notice something, like why he suddenly fell asleep in the middle of something and woke up with the case already cleared by "him". and of course he should realize that it always happened with conan around him

[Stopwatch]

I think he knows at least something. In the White Day case.. (I think that's out in anime quite soon but I'll use spoiler boxes as ftsh hasn't read the manga yet).

Spoiler:

Anyway, in the White Day case Kogoro knows that there's always a sort of prick feeling usually in the back of his neck or forehead after he hears his voice from somewhere. This seems to point towards him suspecting something is up with the Sleeping Kogoro stuff but not (at that time) suspecting Conan

Also, during the Red Shirts case, I reckon that he could hear his voice but didn't know who was talking using his voice (which fits in with what I said about the White Day case), after all he possibly just planned to keep his eyes shut until the deduction finished. This bit is just my opinion though.
Also, about file 766:

Spoiler:

I think that part of Kogoro not saying that Conan was disrupting the scene had to do with Conan freaking out about the evidence being destroyed after they tried to move the body. Although, recently Conan has been acting more Shinichish so that might also add to it.