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Black Org boss new theory (Frankenstein theory)

Posted: December 31st, 2010, 11:03 pm
by casualvgm
I'm not so good in english...

miyano atsushi is Black Org boss /  vermouth and Elena Same person.(affirm)

Detective Conan (boss identity, Org identity) quote 'Frankenstein'(Frankenstein or The Modern Prometheus)
->cited Classical
boss(Org) circumstances, boss(Org) symbolic = novel Frankenstein = Myth Prometheus.
a key point --> The duality of science, taboo Of God a person challenges (because atsushi couple is not alcohol codename...)

need to Prior knowledge(Prometheus, Frankenstein, Lucifer(Aphrodite),Venus)
, Please read.... 

***BOSS IS MIYANO ATSUSHI***
Dr.Frankenstein =Prometheus = atsushi/ monster(fallen angel) = vermouth(Elena)/ (Pandora's box = aptx)
Frankenstein story: monster - "Remember that I am thy creature, I ought to by thy Adam,
but I am rather the 'fallen angel' whom thou drivest from joy for no misdeed"...


[quotation & coincide]
1. boss character (personality)- 'very careful'
= Prometheus' name mean? 'forethought' 

2. Pandora's box ->Prometheus
= Haibara’s referring to the email as a Pandora’s Box(boss email)

3. Frankenstein as a mad scientist.
= atsushi nickname is Mad scientist

4. boss black clothes (crow)
= atsushi all black clothes
Spoiler:
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5. The Case Closed Casebook hint
    a. Aoyama had already put the name of the boss somewhere on the manga in some form or another
      (a letter code - 'Nanatsu no ko' and 'miyano atsushi' overlaping words...  atsu no no atsu )

    b. If the Black Organization's real name were revealed, everyone would know who its leader is.
        Given the organization’s use of classic literature, especially of the mystery genre, and allegory,
        the organization’s true name is probably a clever reference or a play on words.
= Org real name is 'Modern Prometheus'




***ELENA IS VERMOUTH (Lucifer=Venus)***
Elena = Lucifer, Venus(Aphrodite) = vermouth
(Hell Angel=The angel fallen to the hell=Lucifer)


[quotation & coincide]
Miyano Elena
quotation- Lucifer, Venus(Aphrodite)
1. Elena nickname is Hell Angel = Lucifer

2. Elena name origin-> helen (Trojan War): the most beautiful woman in the world-> Venus(Aphrodite)
    Beautiful femininity
    Elena tape->Motherhood expression

vermouth
quotation- Venus(Aphrodite), Lucifer
1. vermouth(Golden Apples of Sharon )= Venus

2. vermouth appearance, character = Venus
    (golden hair, Beautiful, lechery->vermouth= Venus)
Spoiler:
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3. Thousand Faces(The Master of Disguise) = Lucifer

4. character of Lucifer= character of vermouth
    duality - beauty and ugly (Golden Apples and rotten Apples...)




***circumstantial evidence (ELENA = VERMOUTH)***
1. Medical knowledge same
2. Fluent in Japanese same
3. Shinichi Kudo NY(Golden Apples)-husband of Sharon grave meaning->'disguise (camouflage)death'
    vermouth husband = boss (atsushi-an accidental death hearsay)
Spoiler:
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4. Sharon-"no angel has smiled upon me"  "not even once" meaning-> unhappy+angel(circumstances of vermouth)
                "do you believe in heaven?" meaning-> Godlessness or Blame god
                  symbolic meaning -> fallen angel
5. wear sunglasses same
Spoiler:
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*** summary relationship ***
Dr.Frankenstein(creator)    =  atsushi ,,, monster(creation)      =    vermouth
                                            l        l                  l                                        l
                            (Mad scientis)  l    (fallen angel=Lucifer=Hell Angel)    l
                                            l        l                                            ã…£            l
                                        Prometheus                                    Elena = Venus


Prometheus--(the original form of Lucifer)--> Lucifer <-- (Modern Lucifer)-- Frankenstein
          l                                                                                                                      l
          `--------<------------------The Modern Prometheus ---------<-----------------------`




[Ai, gin next time...

Re: Black Org boss new theory evidence valid(+vermouth)

Posted: January 1st, 2011, 2:57 am
by sstimson
Add possible hair color. Hairaba's Mom was British and blond would not be Japanesse. Chris's hair color is also light.

Re: Black Org boss new theory evidence valid(+vermouth)

Posted: January 1st, 2011, 6:08 am
by doublemoonlight
soooo... I guess what you are saying is Elena is both boss and Vermouth. Hmmmmmm I am not quite sure about it.

Re: Black Org boss new theory evidence valid(+vermouth)

Posted: January 1st, 2011, 6:44 am
by casualvgm
doublemoonlight wrote: soooo... I guess what you are saying is Elena is both boss and Vermouth. Hmmmmmm I am not quite sure about it.
my opinion-> miyano atsushi is Org boss /  vermouth and Elena Same person.
                                                                              (vermouth = Elena)

Classics(Frankenstein, Prometheus...) = character(atsushi, vermouth, Elena)
                                                          same(peculiarity of character)

Re: Black Org boss new theory evidence valid(+vermouth)

Posted: January 1st, 2011, 7:05 am
by kate_49
Nice deduction... :) Elena is Vermouth, and Atsushi is Boss... very nice..

Re: Black Org boss new theory evidence valid(+vermouth)

Posted: January 1st, 2011, 10:29 am
by Wakarimashita
So Vermouth who is already Sharon and Chris would also be Elena ? Isn't that a little too much ? And why would she have tried to kill her own daughter ?

Re: Black Org boss new theory evidence valid(+vermouth)

Posted: January 1st, 2011, 11:49 am
by skyechan
casualvgm wrote: 4. boss black clothes (crow)
= atsushi all black clothes
Spoiler:
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It's a flashback.  The entire scene is in grayscale, so Atsushi might not be wearing black at all. (Notice that his face is gray too.)

Overall an interesting thought, but I highly doubt it.

Re: Black Org boss new theory evidence valid(+vermouth)

Posted: January 1st, 2011, 1:14 pm
by kkakaroto9
I want a final Battle Atsushi VS Yusakuu  :P

Re: Black Org boss new theory evidence valid(+vermouth)

Posted: January 1st, 2011, 2:09 pm
by Misztina
I like this theory actually, the Frankenstein, or the modern Prometheus is a nice find too.

Re: Black Org boss new theory evidence valid(+vermouth)

Posted: January 1st, 2011, 2:16 pm
by Jd-
Wakarimashita wrote: So Vermouth who is already Sharon and Chris would also be Elena ? Isn't that a little too much ?
In Conan, there's no such thing as too much when it comes to disguises.

Re: Black Org boss new theory evidence valid(+vermouth)

Posted: January 1st, 2011, 2:30 pm
by AICHAN
I also like ths theory...but I don't know why Helena would kill her daughter...

Re: Black Org boss new theory evidence valid(+vermouth)

Posted: January 1st, 2011, 3:34 pm
by Mr_Useless
And Akemi too. it wouldn't actually be that bad if Gosho was able to find a reason better than "they're completely mad", thou.

Re: Black Org boss new theory evidence valid(+vermouth)

Posted: January 1st, 2011, 10:38 pm
by casualvgm
Wakarimashita wrote: So Vermouth who is already Sharon and Chris would also be Elena ? Isn't that a little too much ? And why would she have tried to kill her own daughter ?
kill daughter?
my guess, Vermouth(Elena) Fake action(Trickery), she tried to Conceal her identity.

her purpose?
daughter save(protection) from gin.
(Pisco assassination, photo --> Vermouth contact boss, Because daughter save.)
= Vermouth->boss->gin->Pisco assassination

Re: Black Org boss new theory evidence valid(+vermouth)

Posted: January 1st, 2011, 11:25 pm
by sstimson
Maybe I right and Akemi faked her death, and is now living peaceful with her parents overseas. You are also suggesting that Hairaba's Parents faked their death. With all this death faking, I am begining to wonder about those murder cases that get solved, were they faked too? Is this a case of Disney death of overload, Like Snow White or Sleeping Beauty?

Re: Black Org boss new theory evidence valid(+vermouth)

Posted: January 2nd, 2011, 1:37 am
by Conan 48:69
Excellent theory, but the truth needs to prove by Gosho.