* Hondou Eisuke, Akai Shuichi and Okiya Subaru. -SPOiLERS M

[Pocky]

After I watched episode 508, I changed my mind to think that Okiya is Akai. Now I think that "Eisuke" is akai in disguise, while the real Eisuke is probably at the Witness Portection thing.

Watch 23:44 - 24:54, episode 508.
Hondou Eisuke doesn't seem to be the best at deduction. If Akai Shuichi was Hondou at that moment, then it would make some sense that he knew Conan was Shinchi. Akai Shuichi is smart, therefore, he must know that no Elementary Kid is that smart.

Questions:
* How did he know that Conan was Shinichi in the beginning? Ever since he met Mouri. [Eisuke stated this in the episode]
* Why was Conan looking at Eisuke like that (huge eyes, sweat drop) in 23:38?
Eisuke talks about the dead FBI agent. Conan looks at Eisuke with huge eyes, sweatdrops, and a suprised look. After taking a closer look at his head, he says that every thing is fine, while smiling and still looking at Eisuke.
I think it was because, he just realized that he was Akai Shuichi.
* Why did he mistake Okiya for a black org member? If he was Shuichi, then Conan wouldn't mistake him for a black org member.

I'm not saying that Akai was Eisuke all along. I'm talking about using him as his temporary disguise while the real Eisuke is in the Witness Protection Program.

Please take a look at this picture:

It's Akai, Ran and Eisuke. Also, since they were talking about an FBI agent being "dead," how did Conan know that the person who "died" was Akai Shuichi? (the person in his mind when they were talking about someone dead) Then he says, "not to worry." Akai is not Okiya. Okiya only first appeared in episode 509. But they are talking about Akai not being dead in this ep. Also, Conan thought that Okiya was a Black Org member. If he was akai, he would never mistake Akai for a member of the black org. If he was in the BO, I think he's planning to make him stay at his house, then trap him later on. (maybe) I think this plicture simply means that Akai has something to do with Ran and Eisuke.

If you watch 24:44 -24:54, it would make sense to think that Eisuke was Akai Shuichi.

Now I'm just jumping to conclusions. D:

It would also make sense if Shuichi was Okiya.
She did sense a member of the black org, which could be who she thought was Vermouth, or Akai. She seemed really frightened when Jodie turned back. It would also make sense if it was Akai, whom she feared.
What I think is that Okiya is Bourbon. But it wouldn't make sense for Conan to get Bourbon live in his house. o.o or maybe he has some plan to capture him in his own house. hm.. Tell me your opinions please

[avidfan]

no way eiske is a s2pid klutz

[Pocky]

That is what I mean. He's too stupid to know that Conan is Shinichi. Conan didn't mind telling him his identity. He wouldn't tell his real identity to anyone would he?
He's too stupid, so the real Eisuke must be at the Witness Protection program. While the Eisuke we saw a few minutes ago was Akai. He just swapped when Eisuke was at the Witness Protection Program.
While, the Eisuke a few seconds ago, is really Akai Shuichi.
You didn't read my post did you?

[Sega_Maniac]

That is what I mean. He's too stupid to know that Conan is Shinichi. Conan didn't mind telling him his identity. He wouldn't tell his real identity to anyone would he?
He's too stupid, so the real Eisuke must be at the Witness Protection program. While the Eisuke we saw a few minutes ago was Akai. He just swapped when Eisuke was at the Witness Protection Program.
While, the Eisuke a few seconds ago, is really Akai Shuichi.
You didn't read my post did you?

Well it's not like he was gonna let Eisuke take his woman with him to America lol. Though still, he could've just done what Eisuke said in the first place and "asked shinichi" for him, and told him the next day that hesaid no or something

[SkyVenger]

That is what I mean. He's too stupid to know that Conan is Shinichi. Conan didn't mind telling him his identity. He wouldn't tell his real identity to anyone would he?
He's too stupid, so the real Eisuke must be at the Witness Protection program. While the Eisuke we saw a few minutes ago was Akai. He just swapped when Eisuke was at the Witness Protection Program.
While, the Eisuke a few seconds ago, is really Akai Shuichi.
You didn't read my post did you?

Eisuke is not stupid, in fact he made suspicions of Conan's identity early in the manga. He's just a klutz, that's all.

[sdf1macross]

Eisuke is smart, he is clumsy, but smart, even Conan says he didn't want to put Sonoko to sleep in the episode 446-447 , the western style window case, because he was there, that's why I felt that something was weird when he put Sonoko to sleep right away, he didn't even hesitate I guess it was because he already knew that Conan had something to do with the FBI so I guess he didn't care anymore, I don't think that Eisuke is Akai, but now, more than ever after seeing that episode I know he is not dead

Also I have to add that I if was the culprit of this episode I would have done the same thing, that guy deserved to die, and on top of that he was going to kidnap Sonoko!!!

[Sega_Maniac]

Eisuke is smart, he is clumsy, but smart, even Conan says he didn't want to put Sonoko to sleep in the episode 446-447 , the western style window case, because he was there, that's why I felt that something was weird when he put Sonoko to sleep right away, he didn't even hesitate I guess it was because he already knew that Conan had something to do with the FBI so I guess he didn't care anymore, I don't think that Eisuke is Akai, but now, more than ever after seeing that episode I know he is not dead

Also I have to add that I if was the culprit of this episode I would have done the same thing, that guy deserved to die, and on top of that he was going to kidnap Sonoko!!!

The guy may have done (and was going to do) bad things, but it's not up to us to decide who gets to live and who gets to die.. saying he deserved it is kinda cruel no matter who it is <.<

Anyway, I dunno if this Eisuke = Akai, but I don't think it would've been a real threat to Conan whether he knew his identity or not. It was kinda already verified Eisuke wasn't associated with the BO already right?

[Pocky]

I also agree that Akai is alive. For sure. (:
looking at conan's words, actions, and how he knew about Akai's "death" without anyone telling him and saying it's alright

[sdf1macross]

Eisuke is smart, he is clumsy, but smart, even Conan says he didn't want to put Sonoko to sleep in the episode 446-447 , the western style window case, because he was there, that's why I felt that something was weird when he put Sonoko to sleep right away, he didn't even hesitate I guess it was because he already knew that Conan had something to do with the FBI so I guess he didn't care anymore, I don't think that Eisuke is Akai, but now, more than ever after seeing that episode I know he is not dead

Also I have to add that I if was the culprit of this episode I would have done the same thing, that guy deserved to die, and on top of that he was going to kidnap Sonoko!!!

The guy may have done (and was going to do) bad things, but it's not up to us to decide who gets to live and who gets to die.. saying he deserved it is kinda cruel no matter who it is <.<

I think is easy to say it than anything else, but put yourself in his position, I do, because I have a 2 year old daughter and if anyone does anything to her and not being punished by the law for it, I think rage would be a very normal state of mind for me from that point on, like I said when it comes to your children sometimes you become irrational and even more if they are hurt or murdered like in this case, I know that nobody deserves to die, maybe I went to far on my previous post by saying that, but again when it comes to your children being hurt sometimes you stop being rational, I hope you understand my point I don't expect you to support it either, but that is my view of this.
I think this is very sensite subject anyway, let's go back to Eisuke finding out about Conan being Shinichi shall we??

[chitz38]

I think Akai disguising Eisuke is a bit too far from reality... a lot of things happened and its not like Akai's nature to dress up and put some "fake face" to investigate. (before his death incident that is) I think Eisuke is genuinely Eisuke everytime he shows up and hes clumsy but very smart thats why Conan has always taken precaution around him and Conan even recognized his intelligence by saying that he can be a strong ally someday. About Conan letting him know about his real identity i guess he made that move since the issue there was "Shinichi making Ran wait". And mostlikely Conan wants to make it clear to him he doesn't have any choice in the situation plus theres no harm in telling him now anyway. Its more like the risk he needs to take to stand his point that Eisuke can't have Ran. At the last scene with Akai, It gave alil more points for Akai to be alive since in Conan's nature its not likely him to have his smug face when hes informed that someone might have died. Plus i re-watched 504 to see how things really were when akai died and ill say there are alot of unexplanable actions that akai did and 30 sec bomb is used so theres time for any other plan to work the fake death. But Okia being Akai, i still think its possible but on my stand, hes another person not even bourbon.

[Rellik]

zomg Akai is disguised as Ran 
that's why Ran is in the 'picture' too

[Pocky]

zomg Akai is disguised as Ran 
that's why Ran is in the 'picture' too

wth. I'm saying that Eisuke might have something to do with Akai.
We'll wait and see.

[Quiet Lurker]

Interesting theory to be sure...

But you forget:
Akai has never seen or even heard of "Sleeping Kogoro". 

[Shinran]

Interesting theory to be sure...

But you forget:
Akai has never seen or even heard of "Sleeping Kogoro". 

Actually, quite the contrary. Remember: he was sniping near Kogoro's place, so he should've known.

[Quiet Lurker]

Not SLEEPING Kogoro!! 

Eisuke compared Sonoko to Sleeping Kogoro because he has seen both.

Akai had never seen Sleeping Kogoro, so if he were really Eisuke in disguise (after getting "killed") he wouldn't be able to make the comparison.