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Would the Bourbon arc even bring a shock factor to all fans?
Posted: October 21st, 2010, 10:42 pm
by Introuble
Re: Would the Bourbon arc even bring a shock factor to all f
Posted: October 21st, 2010, 10:51 pm
by xpon
but if Okiya is Anokata.. then all of us will go WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!
Re: Would the Bourbon arc even bring a shock factor to all f
Posted: October 21st, 2010, 10:59 pm
by Introuble
xpon wrote:
but if Okiya is Anokata.. then all of us will go WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!
- You guys should get this btw.
Re: Would the Bourbon arc even bring a shock factor to all f
Posted: October 21st, 2010, 11:01 pm
by Kor
When I saw the title of the topic in the index, I thought it would be "Would the Bourbon arc ever end?", to which I would have replied NO (well, yes, but not anytime soon as it seems).
But this.......well........I don't know in what other forums you are at, but in this forum, fangroup 2 is very very small (if it even exists).
As for a "disaster", the whole idea behind a plot twist, is to make a plot twist. So if people will be like they were in the Vermouth arc, nothing bad about it. I WANT to be surprised/shocked from a cunning twist. But this time, I don't see it happening.
Basically, it's fairly evidant that Gosho's storytelling abilities have decreased quite a bit and he repeats stuff that he has already done before. Between Gosho shocking us all to Gosho simply repeating the same Vermouth twist, I'll have to choose the later.
Re: Would the Bourbon arc even bring a shock factor to all f
Posted: October 21st, 2010, 11:17 pm
by Introuble
Yeah, that's true. Fangroup 2 is really really small here thanks to Chekhov. But in other forums, fangroup two is pretty big. It's probably just me but I do see a lot of these guys...
Re: Would the Bourbon arc even bring a shock factor to all f
Posted: October 21st, 2010, 11:31 pm
by kkslider5552000
A disaster? Really? Really?!
Is that a hyperbole or are you just insane?
I won't deny that the arc hasn't exactly been perfect but to say it is outright bad, let alone a goddamn disaster makes me wonder how impossibly high your standards for anime arcs are.
I was looking for a specific Hitchcock quote to help point out why this is ridiculous but I decided to just post a link I found from someone far smarter than me talking about it. As a bonus even ignoring any relevence to this thread, it is a great read.
http://www.mysterynet.com/books/testimony/mystery-vs-thriller/
Re: Would the Bourbon arc even bring a shock factor to all f
Posted: October 22nd, 2010, 1:47 am
by Chekhov MacGuffin
Introuble wrote:
Yeah, that's true. Fangroup 2 is really really small here thanks to Chekhov.
I try my hardest
♡ I would still say about a fourth to a fifth of people still fall in the Okiya=Bourbon camp based on the polls.
I just haven't hunted them down yet. ; )
Introuble wrote:<3 But in other forums, fangroup two is pretty big. It's probably just me but I do see a lot of these guys...
I second this observation.
I think the plot twist of the Bourbon arc is going to be Bourbon's backstory, just like the confirmation of Vermouth's aging issue added a twist beyond the Araide=Vermouth reveal which I suspect quite a few people saw coming well in advance.
I did.
There's also the confrontation potential. Red vs. Black is regarded by a lot of people here as one of the better cases in DC despite the Kir arc being not too mysterious. Apologies for the theory repeat, but I think this arc will have a dual Ran's suspicion and Org showdown climax - we have fingerprints on Heiji's omamori which Ran has taken notice of, and fingerprints on Conan's cellphone from Red vs. Black, both questions of whom they belong to. I don't think that's a coincidence.
Re: Would the Bourbon arc even bring a shock factor to all fans?
Posted: October 22nd, 2010, 2:11 am
by Xytan
I'm totally not contributing to the Tin-Foil-Hat in anyway by saying this but...
Does anyone else realize that Bourbon has sort of a burnt taste to it?
Apartment Fire... Etc... etc...
Re: Would the Bourbon arc even bring a shock factor to all f
Posted: October 22nd, 2010, 2:22 am
by Chekhov MacGuffin
Xytan wrote:
I'm totally not contributing to the Tin-Foil-Hat in anyway by saying this but...
Does anyone else realize that Bourbon has sort of a burnt taste to it?
Apartment Fire... Etc... etc...
There was the demon dog case, the red wall case, the Rolls-Royce case (exploding car bonus!) and almost Fuurinkazan. There were also two scar related cases back to back (Gari and the ichi scar). You might count the Goth Loli case, the Shiragami case, the Lake Bathhouse case, and maybe the Tori Man case and for people dressing up like other people sans the usual DC latex. I blame Gosho dumping research he did for this arc in the form of the usual weekly cases.
Re: Would the Bourbon arc even bring a shock factor to all f
Posted: October 22nd, 2010, 7:27 am
by kkakaroto9
Sorry , but the people that Think this Arc is as simple as Okiya= Akai and Scar Akai = Bourbon in my opinion is wrong. I dont have evidence , but i think that.
Why Gosho give us a lot of evidence that Akai=Okiya ? and that S. Akai is NOT the real Akai ? that is because this Arc is more complex than we think
Re: Would the Bourbon arc even bring a shock factor to all f
Posted: October 22nd, 2010, 8:21 am
by Dashin
Well, until I watched the Silent Struggle arc, I wasn't even suspecting Okiya could be Akai, and I wasn't even checking any forums. I thought it was particularly genius to hint the thing about the glasses through Genta's dad in a non-related case. It's that kind of stuff that makes me enjoy this series. For me, this arc has had enough WTF factor, already. From now on, it could only get better.
Re: Would the Bourbon arc even bring a shock factor to all f
Posted: October 22nd, 2010, 9:24 am
by Laurell
I hope the theories above will not happen(Okiya=Akai/Okiya=Bourbon). If that will happen, Gosho's storytelling has been too predictable just like how the forum members deduced almost everything about the London Arc. I expect much about this Arc and I hope it's way more better than the Vermouth Arc. If Okiya is another character, I hope he's the Boss or some high ranking official in the BO/FBI/CIA that will finally make an advance in the BO plot. Hope Gosho hasn't forgotten who Bourbon is.
Re: Would the Bourbon arc even bring a shock factor to all f
Posted: October 22nd, 2010, 9:44 am
by kentasaiba
Its something like...
Uh Akai is back! And he has a new car! A Spyder 554? Cool?
Uh Okiya is really a CIA Operative, interesting...
WTF Korn killed Rena that easy?
Yeah Akai killed Korn, one BO-Member less
WTF Bourbon is Raito Kagami? Who is Raito Kagami?
Re: Would the Bourbon arc even bring a shock factor to all fans?
Posted: October 22nd, 2010, 12:05 pm
by Dus
I don't think Okiya being Bourbon could work. It would create too many gaping plot holes. But I can see Okiya not being Shuichi (which most fans have figured out as well) but a new character. Easier to pull off for Gosho and just as unexpected by now.
Re: Would the Bourbon arc even bring a shock factor to all f
Posted: October 22nd, 2010, 12:47 pm
by Chekhov MacGuffin
Dashin wrote:
Well, until I watched the Silent Struggle arc, I wasn't even suspecting Okiya could be Akai, and I wasn't even checking any forums. I thought it was particularly genius to hint the thing about the glasses through Genta's dad in a non-related case. It's that kind of stuff that makes me enjoy this series. For me, this arc has had enough WTF factor, already. From now on, it could only get better.
I think a lot of people here don't remember what it was like before the forum exposure. Before various theories were laid out in front of them, it was more mysterious and more thrilling. People compare the experiences before they had said theories to later experiences when they had been spoiled somewhat.
Making the assumption that I am right about the Bourbon arc (I'll leave that up to you to decide), the Bourbon arc is only a little easier than the Vermouth arc, and a little harder than the Kir arc. The difficulty is fairly close. My guess is that if there was a significant English speaking forum like DCTP back when the Vermouth arc was underway, people would have complained about it being too easy to solve. The difference is that most people here were "everyman for himself" back then, couldn't pool their knowledge to solve the arc, and thus were shocked by the outcome. Now they can and so it seems too easy.
tl;dr version: It seems too easy because people have been spoiled by pooling knowledge to solve the arc, and forgot how hard it was to do on their own.