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487-490 theory

Posted: March 2nd, 2010, 4:30 am
by lunarclaw
hello and welcome to my hopefully new theory. I was rereading the old DC chapters when i came upon one that stood out among the rest, namely chapters 487-490. the basis behind this is that in all other arcs gosha like to tie up all loose ends. But this arc has two lot points left hidden, where the old magician went and what exactly the trick was about. it is unlike gosho to just have a major character in a plot (a one who doesn't resemble old characters at that) to just have disappeared. obviously he wouldnt have left Japan so you think if he was unimportant he would 1. been revealed to have been killed and hidden by this cases victim, or 2 been found dead by the police of old age or something while looking for his book. this all leads me to believe that he may have been captured by the B.O

At this point you probably think i'm crazy, why would the B.O want some random magician. But you have to consider that this guy was apperantly a master in his field and that the B.O have captured a programmer before which in my opinion makes just about as much sense as a magician. And since this is the DC universe when people disappear they dont stay missing without reason.Which brings me neatly the my next point, the trick. The actual trick is never shown but it is made out to be somehow be a trick of pure evil. Also pay attention to the name of the trick devil's REVIVAL. why this trick might have to do with it might be inconsequential but there is at least some possibility that its important. And that about wraps up my theory, please tell me what u think. Possibbly well be seeing a familiar old man in a future B.O arc :D.

Re: 487-490 theory

Posted: March 2nd, 2010, 5:46 am
by Abs.
HE'S DA BOSS

Re: 487-490 theory

Posted: March 2nd, 2010, 8:32 pm
by kkslider5552000
Sanada Kazumi is one of the most suspicious characters in Conan.

Re: 487-490 theory

Posted: March 3rd, 2010, 12:50 am
by Chekhov MacGuffin
kkslider5552000 wrote: Sanada Kazumi is one of the most suspicious characters in Conan.
I don't know about suspicious, but certainly oft recurring for a random suspect. He appears in 131-133 (Magician double card case), 158 (Kaito kid on a boat), 192 name mentioned (magic club meeting), 269 Takagi has tickets to his magic show (Transporting suspect on the train case), and in 487 brought up in connection to the mystery house. I don't know if that is all his appearances.

My suspicious random character(s) du jour are Kinoshita and Billy from Agasa's first love case (410-412) after Abs. pointed out they look exactly like the suspicious people who Akai had follow Yukiko and the detective boys during the darkness is a death trap case (417-419). See for yourself!
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If anything, this means they are FBI agents or at least allies of Akai rather than antagonists...

Re: 487-490 theory

Posted: March 3rd, 2010, 12:55 am
by kkslider5552000
If that happens I will almost certainly lol in real life.

Re: 487-490 theory

Posted: March 9th, 2010, 12:24 am
by soratothamax
lunarclaw wrote: hello and welcome to my hopefully new theory. I was rereading the old DC chapters when i came upon one that stood out among the rest, namely chapters 487-490. the basis behind this is that in all other arcs gosha like to tie up all loose ends. But this arc has two lot points left hidden, where the old magician went and what exactly the trick was about. it is unlike gosho to just have a major character in a plot (a one who doesn't resemble old characters at that) to just have disappeared. obviously he wouldnt have left Japan so you think if he was unimportant he would 1. been revealed to have been killed and hidden by this cases victim, or 2 been found dead by the police of old age or something while looking for his book. this all leads me to believe that he may have been captured by the B.O

At this point you probably think i'm crazy, why would the B.O want some random magician. But you have to consider that this guy was apperantly a master in his field and that the B.O have captured a programmer before which in my opinion makes just about as much sense as a magician. And since this is the DC universe when people disappear they dont stay missing without reason.Which brings me neatly the my next point, the trick. The actual trick is never shown but it is made out to be somehow be a trick of pure evil. Also pay attention to the name of the trick devil's REVIVAL. why this trick might have to do with it might be inconsequential but there is at least some possibility that its important. And that about wraps up my theory, please tell me what u think. Possibbly well be seeing a familiar old man in a future B.O arc :D.
I don't know where I heard this from, I'm trying to remember, but didn't Akai's father work for the BO or something? Didn't he teach Vermouth how to disguise herself or something? And he was a magician....but somehow he died...so maybe they need a replacement? ;D

Re: 487-490 theory

Posted: March 9th, 2010, 3:52 am
by Chekhov MacGuffin
soratothamax wrote: I don't know where I heard this from, I'm trying to remember, but didn't Akai's father work for the BO or something? Didn't he teach Vermouth how to disguise herself or something? And he was a magician....but somehow he died...so maybe they need a replacement? ;D
That would be Toichi Kuroba, Kuroba Kaito aka Kaito Kid's father. The reference came from chap 573 btw. If you want more backstory on Kid and his father who was the previous Kid then see the Magic Kaito manga. It isn't clear how much of Magic Kaito is canon to DC, but the Magic Kaito Organization and Pandora probably aren't.

Re: 487-490 theory

Posted: March 9th, 2010, 4:01 pm
by Kite
lunarclaw wrote: hello and welcome to my hopefully new theory. I was rereading the old DC chapters when i came upon one that stood out among the rest, namely chapters 487-490. the basis behind this is that in all other arcs gosha like to tie up all loose ends. But this arc has two lot points left hidden, where the old magician went and what exactly the trick was about. it is unlike gosho to just have a major character in a plot (a one who doesn't resemble old characters at that) to just have disappeared. obviously he wouldnt have left Japan so you think if he was unimportant he would 1. been revealed to have been killed and hidden by this cases victim, or 2 been found dead by the police of old age or something while looking for his book. this all leads me to believe that he may have been captured by the B.O

At this point you probably think i'm crazy, why would the B.O want some random magician. But you have to consider that this guy was apperantly a master in his field and that the B.O have captured a programmer before which in my opinion makes just about as much sense as a magician. And since this is the DC universe when people disappear they dont stay missing without reason.Which brings me neatly the my next point, the trick. The actual trick is never shown but it is made out to be somehow be a trick of pure evil. Also pay attention to the name of the trick devil's REVIVAL. why this trick might have to do with it might be inconsequential but there is at least some possibility that its important. And that about wraps up my theory, please tell me what u think. Possibbly well be seeing a familiar old man in a future B.O arc :D.
Yeah, I've noticed him too. He's been mentioned a few times too many (not to mention his *sudden* disappearance (~whooo mysterious atmosphere~) to not be important to the plot imo. I was thinking along the same lines, I wouldn't be surprised if we'd see him in the BO one of these days.
Chekhov MacGuffin wrote: My suspicious random character(s) du jour are Kinoshita and Billy from Agasa's first love case (410-412) after Abs. pointed out they look exactly like the suspicious people who Akai had follow Yukiko and the detective boys during the darkness is a death trap case (417-419). See for yourself!
Spoiler:
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If anything, this means they are FBI agents or at least allies of Akai rather than antagonists...
Nice observation! I have been wondering for a long time who those guys exactly could be, but they certainly fit the bill! Plus it'd be a nice plot twist. *crosses fingers*
Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:
soratothamax wrote: I don't know where I heard this from, I'm trying to remember, but didn't Akai's father work for the BO or something? Didn't he teach Vermouth how to disguise herself or something? And he was a magician....but somehow he died...so maybe they need a replacement? ;D
That would be Toichi Kuroba, Kuroba Kaito aka Kaito Kid's father. The reference came from chap 573 btw. If you want more backstory on Kid and his father who was the previous Kid then see the Magic Kaito manga. It isn't clear how much of Magic Kaito is canon to DC, but the Magic Kaito Organization and Pandora probably aren't.
Toichi kuroba never belonged to the BO, it's only been said he taught Vermouth and Yukiko the tricks to disguise themselves well. And although I don't think Magic Kaito's storyline will be important in Detective Conan's plot (didn't Gosho say that in his latest interview or something?), but I believe Kaito is still looking for clues of the organization, as well as looking for the Pandora jewel. Otherwise he wouldn't go stealing things anymore.
I'm hoping though that Kaitou Kid will get involved in Conan's troubles somehow, especially since that "disappeared magician" lunarclaw was talking about passed the revue in DC.

Re: 487-490 theory

Posted: May 1st, 2010, 3:06 pm
by Chekhov MacGuffin
Old topic bump, but I was reviewing Kaito Kid chapters (bleh) and when the members of the Magician lovers club (chap 192, ep 132) were talking about their favorite magicians one of them mentioned liking one "Kinoshita Yoshiro". He shares the same last name as Kinoshita Misa from Agasa's first love who is apparently in cahoots with Akai Shuuichi. Kinoshita Yoshiro is dead already, and we know Kinoshita Misa left suddenly for some reason during the school year and has a stepfather currently. It could be a case of last name reuse, but I wonder....

Re: 487-490 theory

Posted: May 4th, 2010, 5:34 am
by Abs.
Chekhov MacGuffin wrote: Old topic bump, but I was reviewing Kaito Kid chapters (bleh) and when the members of the Magician lovers club (chap 192, ep 132) were talking about their favorite magicians one of them mentioned liking one "Kinoshita Yoshiro". He shares the same last name as Kinoshita Misa from Agasa's first love who is apparently in cahoots with Akai Shuuichi. Kinoshita Yoshiro is dead already, and we know Kinoshita Misa left suddenly for some reason during the school year and has a stepfather currently. It could be a case of last name reuse, but I wonder....
Great catch.  I double-checked, and the kanji used for both surnames also match: 木之下

Re: 487-490 theory

Posted: May 5th, 2010, 1:12 am
by Chekhov MacGuffin
Abs. wrote:
Chekhov MacGuffin wrote: Old topic bump, but I was reviewing Kaito Kid chapters (bleh) and when the members of the Magician lovers club (chap 192, ep 132) were talking about their favorite magicians one of them mentioned liking one "Kinoshita Yoshiro". He shares the same last name as Kinoshita Misa from Agasa's first love who is apparently in cahoots with Akai Shuuichi. Kinoshita Yoshiro is dead already, and we know Kinoshita Misa left suddenly for some reason during the school year and has a stepfather currently. It could be a case of last name reuse, but I wonder....
Great catch. I double-checked, and the kanji used for both surnames also match: 木之下
Sweet. I totally forgot to check Kinoshita for kanji matching. I was hoping magicians might tie into this mess somehow. I wonder who Kinoshita is named for, if anyone,... possibilities I came up with are the author of The Mythical Detective Loki, Sakura Kinoshita (unlikely...), or maybe Junji Kinoshita who did a play about a famous soviet spy during world war two?

Re: 487-490 theory

Posted: May 6th, 2010, 11:10 am
by scineram
What made Misa being in cahoots with Akai?

Re: 487-490 theory

Posted: May 6th, 2010, 11:46 pm
by Chekhov MacGuffin
scineram wrote: What made Misa being in cahoots with Akai?
Something Abs. Pointed out. Since I can't find Abs.'s original post with the search box, I'm linking to a post I made about Abs.'s post. Sorry Abs.
The hat and glasses people trailed the DB presumably on Akai's orders if you reread the film preview case 417-419/V41:4-6. Since they followed the DB in the beginning as Conan and co were going to the studio, they were in the proper place to take the picture of Ai that Akai later has. If they passed it off to Akai, it probably means they are working with him...
Spoiler: Akai was giving them orders it seems
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Re: 487-490 theory

Posted: May 9th, 2010, 4:46 am
by Introuble
487-490 pertain to what anime episodes?

Re: 487-490 theory

Posted: May 9th, 2010, 4:57 am
by Abs.
Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:
scineram wrote: What made Misa being in cahoots with Akai?
Something Abs. Pointed out. Since I can't find Abs.'s original post with the search box, I'm linking to a post I made about Abs.'s post. Sorry Abs.
YOU DARE!?!?!

I kid, I kid.

It was more of a joke in my usual style, rather than a bona fide "pointing out."  Also, now that I'm seeing the "evidence" a second time, the lack of hair on "Misa" is rather off-putting.

I'm not backpedaling, I swear!