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Chekhov MacG Memorial Thread for White Day Murder (Files 725

Posted: February 21st, 2010, 5:48 pm
by Abs.
Let's discuss the White Day Murder case!  Woo!

This one is a howdunit, since we are given a substantially large HINT-HINT in the first few pages that the wife's going to do him in.  Nevertheless, Aoyama-shi decided to wonder in the endnote: "Who was the culprit?" because I suppose Kogorou doesn't know yet.

How did she do it?
What did she mean when she asked her husband if he was listening?
What role will Ran's cold and "nasal voice" play in this case?


P.S.  Chekhov if you are alive let me know and I'll substitute in your actual witty poll questions and answers.

Re: Chekhov MacG Memorial Thread for White Day Murder (Files

Posted: February 21st, 2010, 6:47 pm
by Misztina
@Abs.: You really scared me for a second. I though that something bad has actually happened to Chekhov. ;_;

Anyways:
First option is the best option.

Btw. Kogoro was so surprise in the end that he actually lost his moustache. :D

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Re: Chekhov MacG Memorial Thread for White Day Murder (Files

Posted: February 21st, 2010, 7:14 pm
by Detective Prince
Uh. Did you mean 725-727?

Re: Chekhov MacG Memorial Thread for White Day Murder (Files

Posted: February 21st, 2010, 7:46 pm
by Abs.
Misztina wrote: @Abs.: You really scared me for a second. I though that something bad has actually happened to Chekhov. ;_;
Who knows?
Misztina wrote: Btw. Kogoro was so surprise in the end that he actually lost his moustache. :D

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D:
Detective Prince wrote: Uh. Did you mean 725-727?
We don't know that for certain.  Maybe it's a 2-part case!  Maybe it's a 4-part case!  Maybe IT IS THE END!

Re: Chekhov MacG Memorial Thread for White Day Murder (Files

Posted: February 21st, 2010, 9:05 pm
by baka1412
Ran would passed out...

In the DC universe, having Cold means you are going to fainted near the end of the Case..

Re: Chekhov MacG Memorial Thread for White Day Murder (Files

Posted: February 21st, 2010, 11:59 pm
by acerola21
. . . I haven't had anything to do with his/her disappearance, have I?  O_O"  Obviously I don't know him/her at all, but I hope that s/he is doing well, however s/he is doing.
baka1412 wrote: Ran would passed out...

In the DC universe, having Cold means you are going to fainted near the end of the Case..
I know, I'm excited!  There's a good chance we'll see the plot moving ahead! *is jittery*

Anyways, here's my theories on how the case happened . . . I got a hold of the raw online, but I'm not sure if I should post the pictures without spoiler tags, so I'm using the tags just in case.
Spoiler:
Main question:  How did Mr. Urai ingest the cyanide?

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As you can see, Mr. Urai hasn't ingested anything right before he died - so how did the cyanide get into the husband?  Not through food, appanrently.  Maybe the husband's plan really was to fake his own death - Mrs. Urai did plan the surprise event, after all, and maybe the husband thought that her idea of faking death was a good one - and when she gave the signal for him to fake his death, he would touch his fingers with his mouth and that's how the poison got inside him.  That raises the question of how the wife made the husband touch cyanide and get it onto his fingers . . . and I'm guessing it has something to do with the cups:

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Who holds cups like that?  Who grabs the cup with the napkin underneath together?  Although, it seems that some others also hold the cup that way:

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Which might mean that maybe the way the cup is held isn't significant . . . but I can't help but feel like it is somehow, since Gosho has Conan notice how the lady holds her cup and all.  And check this out, the husband was drinking from a different cup:

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How are the cups important to the case, if they are?  I have absolutely no clue so  far. *shrug*  Personally, I'll have to see the next file to really judge anything, ha ha - but I'm sure that you guys can speculate.

I know, what I've been stating isn't really useful for figuring out how the crime was done, at all - but I have a few theories that I think are wrong.  I don't think the chocolate Mrs. Urai cooked the night before had any cyanide on them, that her plan was to get the cyanide on his fingers then.  I thought about the possibility, then I realized that even if Mr. Urai didn't eat the chocolate and really got the cyanide on his fingers, most people would brush their teeth and wash their face right before sleeping, so the cyanide would have washed off when Mr. Urai goes to sleep later.  Even if he didn't, he'll wake up in the morning and do it, and I'm sure that he'll go to bathrooms or something and will have to wash his hands before the party begins.  This means that the cyanide got on Mr. Urai's fingers maybe sometime right before or during the party.

I'm also sure that the wife doesn't have the cyanide on her fingers.  See this page here:

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I've thought about how it's possible that the lady had cyanide on her fingers at the bottom right panel here, when she touches Mr. Urai's mouth (which is a weird move, I think), but she was touching Ran's hand right beforehand - which means that Ran would have the poison on her hand as well, which I doubt Mrs. Urai would do.  Clearly, the whole "Can I read your hand?" schtick is to prove that she doesn't have cyanide on her hands, so I doubt that this is how she slipped the poison.  She could have touched something to get cyanide on her fingers right after reading Ran's hands, but as you can see above she doesn't touch anything except her husband's lips - unless Gosho's leaving off a clue so that the audience couldn't figure out the mystery, or something.  I don't think he's that kind of mystery writer, at least not right now . . . though you never know, I guess.

This is all assuming that the cyanide got into Mr. Urai's mouth, of course.  I have no idea if there'a another way to get the poison in him, so I haven't considered the possibility. *shrug*

Re: Chekhov MacG Memorial Thread for White Day Murder (Files

Posted: February 22nd, 2010, 6:32 am
by Detective Prince
I just hope this case isn't boring.

Re: Chekhov MacG Memorial Thread for White Day Murder (Files

Posted: February 22nd, 2010, 8:49 am
by AICHAN
baka1412 wrote: Ran would passed out...

In the DC universe, having Cold means you are going to fainted near the end of the Case..
exactly!it's in gosho's style ::)
i think it will be a long case...with shinran stuff in the end...(he will probably give her a present for the White day) ::)
i was hoping for a good BO case...but as usual i'm desappointed...maybe next time ::)

Re: Chekhov MacG Memorial Thread for White Day Murder (Files

Posted: February 22nd, 2010, 9:09 am
by xGinx
Maybe at the end of the case Ran pass out (again, like always she has a cold) and then starts another case of Ran's memories (of Shinichi) ... i hope so at least xD

Re: Chekhov MacG Memorial Thread for White Day Murder (Files

Posted: February 23rd, 2010, 12:02 am
by nanilola
@ xGinx - is your sig Breaking Benjamin-inspired? love them.

wow, the memorial word got me.

can't wait for the scanlations.

we already have valentine's day murder cases.. a couple, actually. and now, we get a white day? hmm.

Re: Chekhov MacG Memorial Thread for White Day Murder (Files

Posted: February 23rd, 2010, 9:14 am
by xGinx
nanilola wrote: @ xGinx - is your sig Breaking Benjamin-inspired? love them.

wow, the memorial word got me.
Yeah, the phrase is based in the song I Will Not Bow of Benjamin Breakin but inspired in this YouTtube Video

Re: Chekhov MacG Memorial Thread for White Day Murder (Files

Posted: February 23rd, 2010, 10:04 pm
by Abs.
acerola21 wrote: . . . I haven't had anything to do with his/her disappearance, have I?  O_O"  Obviously I don't know him/her at all, but I hope that s/he is doing well, however s/he is doing.
HANNIN WA OMAE DA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: Chekhov MacG Memorial Thread for White Day Murder (Files

Posted: February 23rd, 2010, 10:40 pm
by Tanner-kun
we are 1 case closer to the 800 chapter with might be awound oh the half way piont of detective conan lol

Re: Chekhov MacG Memorial Thread for White Day Murder (Files

Posted: February 23rd, 2010, 10:51 pm
by acerola21
Abs. wrote:
acerola21 wrote: . . . I haven't had anything to do with his/her disappearance, have I?  O_O"  Obviously I don't know him/her at all, but I hope that s/he is doing well, however s/he is doing.
HANNIN WA OMAE DA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But he killed my boyfriend/sister/brother/etc. a long time ago and he never got arrested for it!! *sobs*

Re: Chekhov MacG Memorial Thread for White Day Murder (Files 725-72?)

Posted: February 23rd, 2010, 11:03 pm
by xGinx
I read the File 725 translated to the Spanigh (I can't secure that who translated did a good job because i dont know any Japanese) and in one part says
Spoiler:
"After a dramatic ending, you ll be there in the end with him" .... now i ask, does it mean that one might die in the end? that maybe one of the two sacrifies his/her life to save the other?? (i always thought that if Shinichi was about to die Shiho would sacrifice her life to save him and that would be the ultimate prove about her feelings for him)
..... What u think guys/girls ??