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RAVEN CHASER afterschock!!

Posted: October 18th, 2009, 1:23 am
by tiffishungry
there is no doubt for me that MOVIE 13 was phenomenal! ;D
after watching it, it answered many of my questions from which we had from the trailers, yet now after watching the movie it has aroused so many more questions..  :o
let's try discussing them??

-why doesn't Vermouth ever tell the BOSS that conan is actually Shinichi?
-can ran actually me any more stupid -__-? (how can shinichi's voice be heard and be gone in a sec?)
-what happened to the memory card,? did it really just simply get shot down by Gin?
-what does Satou realize about the BO and how will it affect the story line?
-after Conan destroyed the helicopter, will it cause Gin to do some more investigating

SOO many questions left unanswered, hopefully they will be answered in the coming mangas or maybe the last 14th movie!

Re: RAVEN CHASER afterschock!!

Posted: October 18th, 2009, 1:49 am
by Abs.
In two words:

Not canon.

In more words:

Nothing in this movie (or any of the movies, or any of the Anime Originals, or OVAs, or Magic Files) has anything to do with the ACTUAL story... which would be solely what's in the manga.  So, as far as when you're reading the manga, this never happened.

Now, as far as your question re: Vermouth (because it's a valid question even outside of the movie) - I'm guessing she 1) feels a sort of debt towards Shinichi, and 2) is, like Haibara, intriuged by him.  There is also the added factor that she was pretty much best friends with his mom, but that alone didn't mean much the first time they met.  Oh, and 3) she might secretly want Shinichi to destroy the organization, and he can't do that if he's dead.

Re: RAVEN CHASER afterschock!!

Posted: October 18th, 2009, 1:58 am
by tiffishungry
that makes sense..
there are endless possibilities and answers..
i was hoping maybe vermouth might be like the BO guy in the end of the movie
like keep hunting them down

Re: RAVEN CHASER afterschock!!

Posted: October 18th, 2009, 2:14 am
by ssjup81
But still, Vermouth still hasn't revealed Conan to her boss.  It's a canon fact for the anime and the manga.  The movie may not be a "canon" source, but that aspect did remain consistent to the manga/anime.

I would still like to know what it is she has planned for him or why she does seem to do things her own way (which seems to annoy Gin).  I'm pretty sure she knows Ai = Sherry (since she was disguised as Araide) and I'm sure she suspects something about Conan.  Why is Vermouth biding her time?

Re: RAVEN CHASER afterschock!!

Posted: October 18th, 2009, 2:37 am
by Jd-
I'm still holding out that my theory is true, which is...
Spoiler:
Sharon Vineyard was originally brought on by the CIA to infiltrate the Black Org and ultimately was thought to have defected. This information was kept top-secret (thus why the FBI doesn't know about it), and while Vermouth actually has been involved in a lot of the Org's activity, it can be explained as part of the cover for the Organization. In the end, it can be revealed that she was thought to be a traitor by the CIA, when really she was just doing what it took to gain absolute trust from her fellow members (this also goes into Gin's 'sense' that something's up with her). She can be revealed just in time to save Haibara from Gin or something and bam, everybody wins.

Some people may say, "Oh, but she's helped kill people (in Japan, especially)." The sad thing is that the CIA is willing--under their government cover--to do away with anyone that will further their objectives (especially foreigners).
To me, that's the ideal closure for the character. I put it in spoiler tags simply because the last time I posted something similar, someone accused me of spoiling the future of the series. :-X

Re: RAVEN CHASER afterschock!!

Posted: October 18th, 2009, 3:32 am
by Abs.
Jd- wrote: I'm still holding out that my theory is true, which is...
I kinda thought that might have been it too, because of what she said to Kir that one time.  Not quite telling enough, but telling nonetheless.

Re: RAVEN CHASER afterschock!!

Posted: October 18th, 2009, 5:35 am
by Aluecard
shows to push  and shuve that no ones    is truely evil  how irish  saved conan life  useing him self as  human shield  8) R.I.P

Re: RAVEN CHASER afterschock!!

Posted: October 18th, 2009, 6:37 am
by hakkaino7
Jd- wrote: ...the last time I posted something similar, someone accused me of spoiling the future of the series. :-X
ROFL... you mean the ikkaku fish murder case one?
tiffishungry wrote: -why doesn't Vermouth ever tell the BOSS that conan is actually Shinichi?
My theory is that's because of shinichi saving her back at new york + many other possible reasons
tiffishungry wrote: -can ran actually me any more stupid -__-? (how can shinichi's voice be heard and be gone in a sec?)
Yes..  :-X
Spoiler:
Especially that 13 red shirts case where conan was disguising his voice as kogoro right in front of her
tiffishungry wrote: -what happened to the memory card,? did it really just simply get shot down by Gin?
Yes it got shot... trajectory of the rifle bullet was through the memory card then to his heart...err at least it looked that way, but since he was able to speak later on then it missed his vital organ and also as stated by conan.
tiffishungry wrote: -what does Satou realize about the BO and how will it affect the story line?
-after Conan destroyed the helicopter, will it cause Gin to do some more investigating
These two are probably the closest thing we can call a canon in this movie...  :o

Re: RAVEN CHASER afterschock!!

Posted: October 18th, 2009, 12:29 pm
by mizumi
Jd- wrote: I'm still holding out that my theory is true, which is...
I don't see a reason why it can't be true :P but still I think she is very, very cold and she doesn't just kill for the purpose of "furthering her objective.." but also kills just for fun, and that probably make her more evil than any CIA agent or even BO member.  only thing that make her look less evil is she want destroy BO

she tried to kill Shinichi and Ran even though they knew each other, and that's cold. -.-
But moreover, she tried to kill Araide just cause she wanted to find about Conan's identity, and she wanted to kill Sherry just cause she hated her drug  >:( I don't think a CIA agent can be as selfish as that... and just like what Jodie say she really care nothing about other ppl's life.  she does have compassion for Shinichi and Ran but that's only bc they saved her at NY.  

Re: RAVEN CHASER afterschock!!

Posted: October 18th, 2009, 5:05 pm
by Aluecard
hey if i were near death  shoot to the thru the heart and i wus sent to kill sum one and in the end  my own team mates back stab me by make me hold  sumting then shoot me almost thru the heart  and then knowing i wont live pass that i atleast i do sumting    to not waste my last  few mn of life and self sacrice      to save a nuthere  person dus sound have bad  evan more wen you  end up find out that thus person can actuly can take out  the cupny you work for and evan more that he can take  down that cold basterd that can kill  the person you recardid as a fathere just for a little mistake  ...sound like    a  good way to die if you ask me  wen you know  your  aready half dead  :P heroic to the end  ::)

Re: RAVEN CHASER afterschock!!

Posted: October 18th, 2009, 5:30 pm
by Rellik
lol which part of Irish is 'heroic to the end'?  :D

but i do agree, if you're going to die, might as well protect the person that can destroy the organisation you hate so much

but did anyone think why the hell is a secret organisation riding a helicopter and firing bullets at the tokyo tower? 

Re: RAVEN CHASER afterschock!!

Posted: October 18th, 2009, 6:11 pm
by Abs.
Also, why the hell is he still working for the BOSS who ordered Gin to kill Pisco?  Gin was just the messenger  ;)

Re: RAVEN CHASER afterschock!!

Posted: October 18th, 2009, 7:45 pm
by ssjup81
Abs. wrote: Also, why the hell is he still working for the BOSS who ordered Gin to kill Pisco?  Gin was just the messenger  ;)
Haven't you read/watched enough Detective Conan to not already know the answer to that?  Stick with working for a person you hate so that when the opportunity presents itself, you can get revenge on those who wronged you.  I know that angle has been used in the series quite a few times.

Re: RAVEN CHASER afterschock!!

Posted: October 18th, 2009, 8:06 pm
by Abs.
ssjup81 wrote:
Abs. wrote: Also, why the hell is he still working for the BOSS who ordered Gin to kill Pisco?  Gin was just the messenger  ;)
Haven't you read/watched enough Detective Conan to not already know the answer to that?  Stick with working for a person you hate so that when the opportunity presents itself, you can get revenge on those who wronged you.  I know that angle has been used in the series quite a few times.
You can tell through Irish's words that his only beef was with Gin.  He wanted to put Gin in his place, and he was planning on doing that by presenting evidence to the Boss (who he should actually hate more for giving the order to kill his father figure).

Gin's actually a good guy!  He's forced to kill people by that mean Boss guy!  He had no other choice!  ;D

Re: RAVEN CHASER afterschock!!

Posted: October 18th, 2009, 8:43 pm
by Aluecard
no uthere choice my @#$@ lol  gin injoys it to much that his prob  ;D
well you gara injoy your job  then its no fun  :-*  ;D

any how  8)
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