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Gin who thinks that Akai was already dead, getting suspicious about Kir didn't kill Akai but set up something, Rena is in trouble now. And Gin already started targeting Haido and Beika, will the massacre about to begin, Conan and Ai-chan unable to hide themselves any longer.
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What is Okiya want to ask for, look like Okiya is hiding something behind Conan and others since he appeared after Conan turned away his back. What more to ask other than the man with burn mark on the right cheek buying a cap or not. Is Okiya send by BO to ask whether Akai is still alive. And why Okiya wearing a long collar clothes, is there a bomb hide inside his collar just like Kusuda Rikumichi done before.
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Who's the hell is the one sending a bag with 13 red shirts, will it be BO, Akai or Okiya. Akai and Okiya appeared at a same time, is that mean Akai iand Okiya are not the same person
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If that Akai appeared in the bank and department store is fake one, then who will it be, it shouldn't be BO member or Bourbon, otherwise why Gin minds about resemblance person like Akai and BO member saves Conan from being killed by robber in bank, since there's no way BO member except for Vermouth saves people. It means Okiya is BO member or even Bourbon has higher possibility now.

After the end of bomb case, will Akai reunite with FBI or disappear again. What will Okiya do after that.

Maybe...
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Okiya: I see that, Akai Shuichi is still alive.
Gin: Nice job, Bourbon.
Okiya: Yeah.
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I'd like to go on with the line asking: why did a fake Akai appear? I think he is a fake at the moment. XD

Although Gin doesn't know about this fake Akai that person still might be Vermouth. But... why?

Fake Akai wanders in Beika to draw the attention of certain people. Maybe the FBI's? Or Sherry's helper's (Conan)? Or the BOs? This was almost the best way to lure out the BO from their hideouts, since the "Catch Sherry" operation is not so flashy. And if tehy saw akai, Bo will be like: WTF?! Hm...

And what did Okiya do in that building. He is supposed to watch Sherry. Since he is not, he must have gone to confirm something at the store. Not using the chance to get Sherry lessens the probability that Okiya is Bourbon (in case Bourbon is not Akai). Although it is not impossible if Bourbon is Okiya and went there due to higher orders from the BO, because Gin and teh Boss probably want to catch Sherry's helper as well in order to keep themselves safe.

Jodie got that warning, that that place was dangerous and she should get out. This means, if indeed Shuichi wrote that message then here will be a VERY BIG thing happening, otherwise could Jodie help in that situation, because she is not a bad agent afterall.

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i don't think we can make a definite conclusion yet that Okiya Subaru is not Akai Shuichi (although that's what I'm hoping for :P) since the Akai with the burn mark might not be the real one. What bothers me is that EVERYONE (Conan, the FBI, AND the BO) is shocked about the burn-mark Akai. so I think the possibilities are:

1. he is the real Akai Shuichi (but why appear in public? wouldn't it be more useful to hide until the real showdown with the BO? why has he lost his speech (or is he pretending)?)

2. he is Vermouth in disguise (not much surprise that Gin and Vodka would not know since the BO boss pretty much lets her do her own thing, maybe she's trying to lure out the FBI...?)

3. he is someone else entirely, in disguise (??? lol)
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option 3 should be like what conan324 said: Bourbon


another mystery will be why Conan let Okiya use his house - i mean we all saw Conan's expression when he handed the keys to Okiya and many people thinks its because Conan knows Okiya is Akai

so is Conan surprised because:

1. He thought Akai is dead (but no one actually told him about it)

2. He knew that Akai = Okiya yet another Akai appeared (I actually like it to be like that - very interesting plot)

3. He thought that Okiya = Akai yet another Akai appeared

4. He knew Akai had to sacrifice himself (part of their scheme in the last BO arc maybe) yet Akai appeared

5. Other options that i can't think of right now :P



P.S if every1 agrees this thread should be the only file 700 discussion - because i already see 3 threads like this one and i think its better if everyone's idea is gathered in one place
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The real puzzle lies between the two: who's Akai & who's not
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I really want to see how this arc turns out. For some reason, I can't get myself to speculate anymore because I've been so wrong so many times. But I'm glad to see Okiya back in action.



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Conan324 wrote: i think that this gonna be the best arc ever!
Well, it won´t be the last one for sure, so it should just be better then the one before this. ^^
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At the moment, I think the burn mark Akai is a fake, and his purpose is to determine if the real Akai is really dead. So, he could likely be Bourbon, and his purpose is to test out the reaction of the FBI or something like that.
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Just read it, but i'm completely lost.


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A bit off topic, but where is the picture in caribou's signature from?
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Kudo8 wrote: A bit off topic, but where is the picture in caribou's signature from?
It's from "The Last 10 Seconds on the Shinkansen" bomb case in volume 4.
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cashman_11 wrote: At the moment, I think the burn mark Akai is a fake, and his purpose is to determine if the real Akai is really dead. So, he could likely be Bourbon, and his purpose is to test out the reaction of the FBI or something like that.
if anything, this is what I think mostly. I mean, if I was sent out to gather information like "find out if this dude is really alive", then walking around as that person and seeing how people react would be a good way to find out the answer.

of course, okiya could still be bourbon, but because that's been hinted at heavily in the anime,  it's likely wrong.
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Akonyl wrote:
cashman_11 wrote: At the moment, I think the burn mark Akai is a fake, and his purpose is to determine if the real Akai is really dead. So, he could likely be Bourbon, and his purpose is to test out the reaction of the FBI or something like that.
if anything, this is what I think mostly. I mean, if I was sent out to gather information like "find out if this dude is really alive", then walking around as that person and seeing how people react would be a good way to find out the answer.

of course, okiya could still be bourbon, but because that's been hinted at heavily in the anime,  it's likely wrong.
i like that theory as well but the only thing that bothers me is, if burn-mark Akai is Bourbon, how come Gin and Vodka are surprised at his appearance as well? of course it could be just that neither of them knows about the strategy, though it just seems like a very inefficient way to operate :P (everyone doing their own thing and no one else knows). still, a possible theory.

the other thing is the warning note on Jodie's coaster. I guess everyone's first thought would be to jump to Akai... or is it part of the ploy by the BO, to introduce bombs into the building, use a fake Akai to make it seem like he's still alive, and then make it seem like he wrote the warning note to persuade the FBI to leave...? (a bit far-fetched yes, haha, and anyway Jodie wouldn't leave the scene so easily..)

also, do you all think the red shirts mystery is the work of the BO or someone else? I'm thinking BO... :/

I thought the wait for 700 was bad, but this is significantly worse. :P
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caribou wrote: i like that theory as well but the only thing that bothers me is, if burn-mark Akai is Bourbon, how come Gin and Vodka are surprised at his appearance as well? of course it could be just that neither of them knows about the strategy, though it just seems like a very inefficient way to operate :P (everyone doing their own thing and no one else knows). still, a possible theory.
While it is sort of funny how it seems like everyone in the BO likes to do their own thing (except vodka, who probably isn't smart enough to do his own thing anyway and sticks to gin), it still makes sense, as he wouldn't want the org to know about his plan either, as if the FBI caught wind about the BO acting suspiciously around fake akai, they might think something's up.

As a matter of fact, that's pretty much what real-akai did, assuming he really is alive, as not a single person in the FBI was let in on the fact that he's alive (as they would be acting suspiciously about his death, so the BO might think something's up). After all, the best covert ops are the ones that nobody knows about.
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Yeah, I'm really not sure what to think of "Akai".

1. If he's in the BO, why don't Gin and Vodka know about it.
2. If he's in the FBI, why don't Jodie and Camel know about it.
3. If he's in the CIA, why is he blowing Rena's cover.
4. If he's Akai, why is he right handed.
5. What idiot would willingly walk around dressed as Akai; it's going to attract the attention of the FBI and BO. Which one do they want?

I'm not convinced Vermouth (or anyone else) has gone rogue or is on a secret mission. Possible, but everything seems a little too high profile to keep other members uninformed.

As far as I know there may be a "come as your favorite dead FBI agent" party that the BO hosts on a regular basis.

So confused.
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caribou wrote: i like that theory as well but the only thing that bothers me is, if burn-mark Akai is Bourbon, how come Gin and Vodka are surprised at his appearance as well? of course it could be just that neither of them knows about the strategy, though it just seems like a very inefficient way to operate :P (everyone doing their own thing and no one else knows). still, a possible theory.
In the other thread, I came up with the possibility that Bourbon is under Vermouth instead of Gin. Vermouth and Gin seem not to communicate well with one another. ("A secret makes a woman woman") If "mysterious Akai" is Bourbon and he/she works under Vermouth, it would explain why s/he might have saved Conan in the bank since that sort of thing is more like Vermouth than Gin.
Nanatsu no Ko wrote: Yeah, I'm really not sure what to think of "Akai".

1. If he's in the BO, why don't Gin and Vodka know about it.
2. If he's in the FBI, why don't Jodie and Camel know about it.
3. If he's in the CIA, why is he blowing Rena's cover.
4. If he's Akai, why is he right handed.
5. What idiot would willingly walk around dressed as Akai; it's going to attract the attention of the FBI and BO. Which one do they want?

I'm not convinced Vermouth (or anyone else) has gone rogue or is on a secret mission. Possible, but everything seems a little too high profile to keep other members uninformed.

As far as I know there may be a "come as your favorite dead FBI agent" party that the BO hosts on a regular basis.

So confused.
Nice summary of the main points about mysterious-Akai, Nanatsu no ko. Vermouth has definitely gone rogue or at least is not working in the org's best interests (of the interests we know about at least...). She is actively trying to keep alive the one guy she thinks is capable of bringing the syndicate down, and allowing a traitor with inner secrets to help him do it. I LOLed at the syndicate's dressup party idea.
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