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Posted: July 13th, 2014, 8:19 am
by Puzzled
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Re: [Theory] My thoughts on who the Mystery Child could be

Posted: July 13th, 2014, 8:49 am
by Startold
Interesting. Thanks for sharing.
Then, maybe Shrunken-Elena doesn't believe in Conan because she knows he hadn't saved her? Since Akemi's death had been revealed in the newspapers, she could have heard of it.

Re: [Theory] My thoughts on who the Mystery Child could be

Posted: July 13th, 2014, 9:01 am
by Puzzled
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Re: [Theory] My thoughts on who the Mystery Child could be

Posted: July 13th, 2014, 9:11 am
by Kor
I disagree with your theory, but I don't have much to say about or against it, so I'll keep it short.

Sherry's Soliloquy is something I'd take with a grain of salt, since it's mostly tongue and cheek, and doesn't normally count as proper evidence.
Conan says how the mystery child looks a lot like Sera, without any reference to Haibara.
http://www.dctp.ws/V83-Reader/V83-5Read ... 77_009.png

Also, your theory assumes that Akai and Akemi (who were lovers) are cousins. While this doesn't really invalidate your theory, I think it's an implication you should take into consideration.

Re: [Theory] My thoughts on who the Mystery Child could be

Posted: July 13th, 2014, 9:37 am
by Puzzled
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Re: [Theory] My thoughts on who the Mystery Child could be

Posted: July 13th, 2014, 10:00 am
by Elixir
That idea had already crossed my mind.
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=12297&start=75#p823782
I've also noticed how the mystery child looks like Haibara.
But I agree with Kor that Conan recognized the mystery child as Sera's look alike rather than Haibara's, whom he's been with for long.

Also, if Elena has that Akai eyes, wouldn't anyone in the organisation notice the similarity between Elena and Akai, especially Bourbon?

Re: [Theory] My thoughts on who the Mystery Child could be

Posted: July 13th, 2014, 10:05 am
by Startold
But if Mysterious Girl's Elena, then, what happened to Atsushi ?
If I follow your theory, then Atsushi would be... Rum, perhaps ?

Re: [Theory] My thoughts on who the Mystery Child could be

Posted: July 13th, 2014, 10:33 am
by Puzzled
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Re: [Theory] My thoughts on who the Mystery Child could be

Posted: July 13th, 2014, 10:56 am
by Startold
What I meant by "If I follow your theory" is that you think Elena isn't dead. But Haibara told Conan her TWO parents were dead, or went missing. By assuming Mysterious Girl is Elena, then Rum would be Atsushi, or a dead man. If he really were dead, it would mean only Elena survived while Atsushi died, and it would be too tragic for young readers. Just my opinion. ^^

Re: [Theory] My thoughts on who the Mystery Child could be

Posted: July 13th, 2014, 11:42 am
by Elixir
Puzzled wrote: Thanks for your reply. I didn't knew that someone already had that thought - I can put your name on the top of the post mentioning that, if you want. You also state one thing in your original post that also came to my mind, but which is one of the things I forgot:
That Sera is curiously interested in Ai and seems to recognize/know her adult form. I will add that.
No need to. Plus, it was just a passing idea. You put more thoughts into it. :D
There's also another person who got the same idea. I forgot who.

Re: [Theory] My thoughts on who the Mystery Child could be

Posted: July 13th, 2014, 3:11 pm
by Foolish Detective
Well, if Elena and Akai's mum are sisters, does that mean that they must be both British?
If that's the case, at least one of the Akai siblings should have some British characteristics.

Re: [Theory] My thoughts on who the Mystery Child could be

Posted: July 13th, 2014, 5:33 pm
by jimmy_kud0_tv2
I also like this theory that the mystery child is Elena, and was actually mentioning to someone called "Shadow" in the spoiler chat box on Friday. Below is the kind of timeline that I think is plausible but may not be what actually happened.

30 years ago - Atsushi moves from his fathers home
29 years ago - Furuya Rei is born
25 years ago - Miyano Akemi is born
23-25 years ago - Rei (aprox age 4-6) is healed by Miyano Elena and she say that she is going far away. If Rei was at least age 4 by this time, then Akemi was born at this point. This could be why he says that he has met Shiho's parents as well as her older sister Akemi. Although this time frame is still an estimate.
20 years ago - Miyano Atsushi, Elena, and Akemi (age 4-5) visit Atsushi's old home in Japan
18 years ago - Miyano Shiho's approximate birth.

The rest of this below is just theory

The tapes that Elena made for Shiho and gave to Akemi to hide, were blank until birthday #11, suggesting that Elena may have been present in some way up until Shiho's 10th birthday and erased those tapes herself because she was present. It suggests to me that Elena lost the ability to tell Shiho happy birthday at that point sometime around 7 and a half years ago to the current time line (18-11 = 7). It is at this point an accident occurred, according to Pisco, that killed Shiho's parents when she was young. Since Pisco is pretty old, it seems reasonable (to me) that he would think that 10 years old is a pretty young age. However if this accident was somehow lab related (not a known fact) then maybe it exposed Elena (and maybe Atsushi??) to either the "silver bullet" or an earlier incomplete version of the APTX drug and shrank her. If this even occurred about 7 and a half years ago and she shrank to the body of a 6-7 year old, then she has had the time to age into the body of a middle schooler, somewhere between the age of 13 and 15.

the way I see the rest of the time line going is this, remember that this is just theory

??15-18?? years ago - Sometime after Shiho was born she was separated from Elena, and sent to America to be groomed to later work on the drug project. Elena probably began recording the tapes to send to Shiho in America but was unable to send them due to one or both of them being watched.
??7-8?? years ago - an "accident" occurs and this makes the BO think that both Miyano parents are dead. It is still possible that Elena (like her daughter later on) was either exposed to, was forced to take, or purposely took what ever current version of APTX was available to her at that time and shrank.
5 years ago - Shiho returns from America with enough knowledge of Chemistry / Bio-Chemistry to take up the position of her parents and work on the drug. At this time she was approximately 13 years old. Around this time she and her sister Akemi begin their secret meetings where Akemi tells Shiho about her own life and relieves Shiho's stress. Around this time is also when "Moroboshi Dai" (Shuu) would have entered into the BO and began dating Akemi. Sometime between this time and the present where Akemi dies, She tells Shiho about "Moroboshi Dai" and his rivalry with "Amuro Touru" (Rei). At some time while Shuuichi is still in the BO, Akemi discovers that he is an undercover
2 years ago - "Moroboshi Dai" is discovered to be a spy because of Agent Camel, meaning that Shuuichi is no longer in the BO.

Present - Akemi sends a long text to Shuuichi about them becoming a real couple after she gets her sister Shiho out of the BO through the one billion yen bank heist. The text has a PS attached to it that we still have not seen. However she is killed by Gin after completing the heist.

Akemi was an incredibly low ranked BO agent, she had the freedom to go to school normally as well as travel abroad (and then send the pictures to Shiho). It is entirely possible that Elena, if shrunken, would have run to Akemi who is much less watched than Shiho. Its possible that the PS in Akemi's message was also a way to get the shrunken Elena in to FBI custody and into witness protection until a way to reverse the process is found. However that is just wild speculation. Witness protection could explain why the shrunken girl, if Elena, was in America. And if Shuuichi had seen the shrunken Elena it would explain how he was so ready to except that Haibara was a shrunken Shiho somehow when he first saw her in the series. Before Shuuichi went to Raiha pass to be "killed" by Kir, he touched James Black's hand, which let James know that something was up and later theorize that Shuu had faked his death. James also recognized Sera Masumi from a picture as being a girl when everyone else, even Jodie who was close to Shuu, thought that Masumi was a boy. I think that James, acting on his knowledge went to get Shuu's sister Masumi and the shrunken Elena and sent them to Japan to either investigate Shuuichis death or for some other (unknown at this time) purpose.

Still just a theory though.

Re: [Theory] My thoughts on who the Mystery Child could be

Posted: July 20th, 2014, 9:54 pm
by jimmy_kud0_tv2
Foolish Detective wrote:Well, if Elena and Akai's mum are sisters, does that mean that they must be both British?
If that's the case, at least one of the Akai siblings should have some British characteristics.
its been pointed out several times that both the mystery girl and Masumi both dress in british styles.

especially in the top post of this thread where there is a link to another thread by b-okiya : viewtopic.php?f=5&t=12297

Re: [Theory] My thoughts on who the Mystery Child could be

Posted: July 21st, 2014, 1:58 am
by watchdog
also i would like to add this as a support to your topic :

agasa said that elena looked suspicious , maybe because of the eyes which looks like akai's

remember when akai was introduced

conan and ran thought he was suspicious too

and even most of us thought he was an enemy in the beginning

Re: [Theory] My thoughts on who the Mystery Child could be

Posted: July 21st, 2014, 3:48 am
by jimmy_kud0_tv2
watchdog wrote:also i would like to add this as a support to your topic :

agasa said that elena looked suspicious , maybe because of the eyes which looks like akai's
In the manga scan I'm looking at now, Agasa says: "It was his quiet wife that I couldn't tell what she was thinking, I believe her name was Elena, I heard they met when she came from England to study in Japan." (ch398)

still an interesting thought!