Details relating to the end of 894 (warning: spoilers)

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Details relating to the end of 894 (warning: spoilers)

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So there are many issues relating to the topic, but the focus I'm working on is discussing Mask Subaru and all the details that don't add up between him and Subaru/Akai. Feel free to discuss other things related to the last few topics and feel free to add information as needed.

Height
This is measured based on the receiver, as Subaru has used it during the delivery case and Mask Subaru uses it during file 894.

During the delivery case:
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During the scarlet series:
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As you can tell from the photos, Mask Subaru is likely an inch or so shorter.

Glasses
Next is something the people over at Baidu first picked up on, the glasses. There are notable differences between Subaru's glasses throughout the rest of the series and this particular file.

During the mystery train:
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During the scarlet series:
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Mask Subaru is wearing a different sort of glasses than Subaru.

Build of Upper Body/Shoulders
Moving on to a detail noted by asanez2008, there's a difference in their shoulders.

During the mystery train:
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During the scarlet series:
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Whoever Mask Subaru is, they're not broad enough in the shoulders to be Subaru.

Limb Thickness
During the mystery train:
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During the delivery case:
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During the scarlet series:
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In the case of Mask Subaru, he appears to have legs closer to thickness to his arms compared to the normal Subaru.

Chin Shape Difference
Mystery train:
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Scarlet series:
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Mask Subaru has a pointed chin, not the more square chin Subaru has.

A miscellaneous thing I've noticed is that Mask Subaru's mask is covering a bit of his hair. I don't know if it's significant, but it does seem odd, me speaking as someone who's worn wigs before. Mask is colored blue and hair is colored purple to make it stand out a bit.

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To review:
  • Mask Subaru is about an inch or so shorter than Subaru.
  • Mask Subaru is wearing different glasses than Subaru.
  • Mask Subaru has much thinner shoulders than Subaru.
  • Mask Subaru has a different limb thickness.
  • Mask Subaru has a different chin shape.
I have no particular theories as of yet about who this is, aside from a few silly ones, but this should all be noted and can be used to narrow things down on some level.
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Only have one word right now:

Wow.
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Jd- wrote:Only have one word right now:

Wow.
^This

I'm really impressed for your hard work...Now I wonder if the person deguised as Okiya could be a woman(Yukiko,Vermouth).
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AICHAN wrote:Now I wonder if the person deguised as Okiya could be a woman(Yukiko,Vermouth).
Unless it's someone as flat-chested as Masumi, they would have to use a binder or something similar. It is possible, though.
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@Chin shape - if we go by that, it doesn't really fit Yusaku
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On the other hand, Yukiko's chin fits pretty well.
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If this was any other manga I'd say that none of the observations here hold up because they could simply be art variations, but Gosho has proven himself remarkably consistent with how he draws his characters and is attentive to even the smallest details. The fact that Checkhov was able to accurately deduce the mystery child's approximate height before we saw her full body from that one panel where her arm stuck out of the doorway cemented my view that Gosho draws very carefully.

All in all, nice observations, and yet more strong evidence that this Okiya isn't the one we've seen for the past 200+ chapters.
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Awesome work Shuubaru! ^_^

From this we can definitely conclude that mask Okiya is not Akai. Judging by the build a woman seems most likely, so I'd say Yukiko.
Given that we've never seen her imitate voices and that Conan thinks this:
File 894, p.3 wrote: Conan (thoughts): The ability to disguise and change the voice well enough to fool an acquaintance …
Conan (thoughts): There’s only one woman …
Conan (thoughts): Who can do that!
Yukiko may actually need a voice-changing mask to imitate Akai-Okiya's voice.

Btw, I think we shouldn't take the chin as conclusive evidence, since it seems to become pointer the smaller the picture and the chin comparison pics are different sizes.
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i agree with others that mask okiya is a woman .........although i wanted it to be heiji...would have been nice.......btw good work
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Kor wrote:@Chin shape - if we go by that, it doesn't really fit Yusaku
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On the other hand, Yukiko's chin fits pretty well.
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Fujiwara wrote:Btw, I think we shouldn't take the chin as conclusive evidence, since it seems to become pointer the smaller the picture and the chin comparison pics are different sizes.
This is important to keep in mind.

If we are looking at Yukiko here, it will be interesting because she seems less able to keep her cool compared to other characters. I would think Amuro would have the advantage over Yukiko unless someone else like Akai or Conan is doing the talking. Well, I suppose there will be some method to the casting.
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I've heard some theories relating to Yukiko and Jodie in particular. Just based on body proportions and height, I'm not sure.

Jodie's body proportions:
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Yukiko's body proportions:
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Subaru's height
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Yukiko's height
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Due to the same location, the height measure's pretty accurate. Based on the mystery train.

Subaru and Jodie's height, based on the red shirt case:
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The second red line is a guess because of how Jodie's body is angled. I could be easily wrong.
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yukiko maybe disguise as subaru n vermouth maybe disguise as amuro? not sure
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Chekhov MacGuffin wrote: Can't see your images with American IPs.
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Interesting observations:
The Mask indicates that there might be indeed a voice changer in use.

The main problem I see is how long Bourbon would be fooled such a disguise. (Since he used to hang around with Vermouth.)
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S.Vineyard wrote:Interesting observations:
The Mask indicates that there might be indeed a voice changer in use.

The main problem I see is how long Bourbon would be fooled such a disguise. (Since he used to hang around with Vermouth.)
Thing is, Subaru's been using neck-based voice changer and Heiji's also used something similar during the Halloween case. It could be a red herring for Amuro, to try to tear away and Mask Subaru is still speaking in his voice.

A friend noted on Skype how the unknown child has a cough, so it's possible that something is going on with them, but I'm abstaining from going with that theory just yet because it assumes too much and we don't have information for it:
  • It assumes the unknown child is an adult shrunken by APTX or something similar.
  • It assumes that they are aware of the situation/in contact with Akai.
  • It assumes that they managed to get a temporary antidote in spite of Haibara's lack of involvement in the situation.
  • It assumes that they have a different build than Akai as an adult.
  • It assumes the unknown child is male. (Admittedly, this is a minor point, as the family in question is androgynous.)
  • It assumes that they are willing to reveal themselves to Conan or that Akai is willing to reveal them to Conan during this situation... (Unless Conan is unaware and crashes the whole affair somehow.)
The points that would make it useful, if the unknown child is the one in Akai's place:
  • The mask is for a cough.
  • There is no latex mask/wig/etc. to take off.
  • I'm assuming they don't know Amuro, but they would certainly not know all the stuff that Akai's been doing with the firsthand details, preventing some issues with the whole ironic process theory trick.
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