Yay! A release date for Conan vs. Lupin III! Um, anyways...
No one is discussing the chapter yet? Even if the raws came out a few days ago... Not even a small hint of speculation?
File 682: Mei gunshi Conan!?
The great strategist, Conan!?
I know the scanlation is coming out tomorrow, which is good.
Spoilers have been edited after scanlation. ã‚„ã
File 682 (spoiler)
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mysterygirl
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File 682 (spoiler)
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Nanatsu no Ko
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What's black and white and red all over?
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Fenris
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Ah! It took me a little while, but I figured out the weirdness in the last page of 682!
PG. 14
PG. 15
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It seems in the book 'Three Kingdoms' that Ran and Mouri were talking about, there was a famous Strategist named Koumei. I think this is quite funny since 'Yamato Kansuke' is nearly the name of the famous strategist 'Yamamoto Kansuke'. Lawl. xD
anyways, it all has to do with Gundams and such. You can find out more here, on my favorite resource, Wikipedia.
PG. 14
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anyways, it all has to do with Gundams and such. You can find out more here, on my favorite resource, Wikipedia.
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mysterygirl
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Checkers? O.o Or, a card deck minus the King, Queen, and Jack? A dart board? Old version of Mickey Mouse!?Nanatsu no Ko wrote: What's black and white and red all over?
And if we're including the colors, Chinese Checkers!!
In terms of a game in the room, no one won because Akashi refused to play by himself so he nailed both chairs to the floor and threw everything out the window. Then, in a fit of rage, painted over the picture of his dead wife before collaping in a chair. Suddenly, he realized the red spray paint was poisoness as he couldn't breathe. He collpased on the chair and died! The murderer, satisfied with his revenge after hearing Akashi breathe his last breath, left the mansion. The end. Of course, I'm kidding! I can't help it....
Now, if only the floor was a patterned black and white tile floor....
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Chekhov MacGuffin
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The cooking duty rotations go as follows
1 White (白) Naoki Shirou
2 Blue (青) Kobashi Aoi
3 Red (?) Akashi Shuusaku
4 Green (緑) Midorikawa Naoki
5 Pink (桃) Momose Takuto
6 Yellow (山吹) Yamabuki Shouji
And it repeats.
A) The red paint goes almost completely from floor to ceiling. Someone with their hands tied down couldn't spray the whole wall up that high, unless they stood on the chairs, but those seem nailed down too far away from the walls. Also, it is unlikely the victim broke that window while tied down. (If the victim broke it at all) If he had broken it by throwing something at it and then tried to throw paints and brushes out of it while tied down to draw attention, then there should be some scattered around the base of the window where he missed throwing them out.
B) It's weird that the criminal would shut someone in his room without restraining them somehow. The captive person would slam around and make a racket to alert others. They could have broken the window and jumped. So how in the heck did the window get broken across the room and the paint reach almost up to the ceiling? It seems unlikely that was the victim's doing.
C) Although we didn't get a good closeup shot of the door, I didn't see any damage on the door or on the railing opposite it. You would think if the captive person was free to move he would have tried to force the door regardless of the boxes which would definitely put marks on the door and the balcony.
D) One thing I find odd is that if the books were blocking that doorway, they might also block somebody else's room on the same hallway too. Wouldn't someone push them out of the way to get around them? I guess that means the red person was at the end of his hallway.
E) I couldn't tell but on page 10 it seemed like the red paint drips on the wall that made it to the floor didn't pool, like there was something which covered the floor and was later removed. I need a close up to verify this though.
F) Why did the victim sign "Akashi" in blood when there was plenty of red paint around to paint the name on instead? I like the explanation that a message in blood was painted over by the red paint to hide it. Besides the victim, Akashi could also refer to Kobashi Aoi who changed her name when she married Akashi Shuusaku.
G) Why throw some of the brushes out the window and not all of them? If you were trying to alert someone for help, you might throw all of them out to create a bigger and more noticeable mess. You can see on page 11 there are brushes and a palette on the desk.
Maybe there were two criminals, one which set up the listening device, and one which didn't know about the device. The first criminal locked the guy in the room and did whatever to keep him from escaping and banging around. The first criminal never was able to come back hence the listening device wasn't retrieved. Akashi Shuusaku managed to leave a dying message though (maybe in blood) which was discovered when the second criminal came to investigate and clean up. The second criminal destroyed as much of the dying message as possible, perhaps by throwing the brushes out the window (which had spelled out something perhaps) and painted over the dying message with red paint (which would explain why the signature is in blood when there is red paint left around.) The second criminal didn't know about the listening device so they didn't retrieve it.
There are two chairs. It could be a message on the part of the victim but it is also an appealing idea that someone else was tied up in the other chair and managed to get out, but didn't untie Akashi Shuusaku as a betrayal. Of course that begs the question of how he got out of the room, but I suppose if the dolly of books weren't there, the betrayer could have rolled them there later.
In the suspects' pictures, all of the people are glowering at the photographer suspiciously... Who takes these pictures anyway. :p
Two of the suspects have mustaches, so I wonder if detective Koumei (it's easier to write than his real name) is related to any of the suspects. That detective has a pretty distinctive face by the way. Most of Gosho's characters who have distinctive facial characteristics show up more than once.
I'll wait until next week for more clues. It is likely this case has something to do with the body of Kobashi Aoi found in the warehouse/storeroom three years previous. What was she looking for at the time? Maybe someone set up her search to aggravate her heart problems... This murder could be the standard revenge for marrying the girl I liked and then letting her die motive.
1 White (白) Naoki Shirou
2 Blue (青) Kobashi Aoi
3 Red (?) Akashi Shuusaku
4 Green (緑) Midorikawa Naoki
5 Pink (桃) Momose Takuto
6 Yellow (山吹) Yamabuki Shouji
And it repeats.
A) The red paint goes almost completely from floor to ceiling. Someone with their hands tied down couldn't spray the whole wall up that high, unless they stood on the chairs, but those seem nailed down too far away from the walls. Also, it is unlikely the victim broke that window while tied down. (If the victim broke it at all) If he had broken it by throwing something at it and then tried to throw paints and brushes out of it while tied down to draw attention, then there should be some scattered around the base of the window where he missed throwing them out.
B) It's weird that the criminal would shut someone in his room without restraining them somehow. The captive person would slam around and make a racket to alert others. They could have broken the window and jumped. So how in the heck did the window get broken across the room and the paint reach almost up to the ceiling? It seems unlikely that was the victim's doing.
C) Although we didn't get a good closeup shot of the door, I didn't see any damage on the door or on the railing opposite it. You would think if the captive person was free to move he would have tried to force the door regardless of the boxes which would definitely put marks on the door and the balcony.
D) One thing I find odd is that if the books were blocking that doorway, they might also block somebody else's room on the same hallway too. Wouldn't someone push them out of the way to get around them? I guess that means the red person was at the end of his hallway.
E) I couldn't tell but on page 10 it seemed like the red paint drips on the wall that made it to the floor didn't pool, like there was something which covered the floor and was later removed. I need a close up to verify this though.
F) Why did the victim sign "Akashi" in blood when there was plenty of red paint around to paint the name on instead? I like the explanation that a message in blood was painted over by the red paint to hide it. Besides the victim, Akashi could also refer to Kobashi Aoi who changed her name when she married Akashi Shuusaku.
G) Why throw some of the brushes out the window and not all of them? If you were trying to alert someone for help, you might throw all of them out to create a bigger and more noticeable mess. You can see on page 11 there are brushes and a palette on the desk.
Maybe there were two criminals, one which set up the listening device, and one which didn't know about the device. The first criminal locked the guy in the room and did whatever to keep him from escaping and banging around. The first criminal never was able to come back hence the listening device wasn't retrieved. Akashi Shuusaku managed to leave a dying message though (maybe in blood) which was discovered when the second criminal came to investigate and clean up. The second criminal destroyed as much of the dying message as possible, perhaps by throwing the brushes out the window (which had spelled out something perhaps) and painted over the dying message with red paint (which would explain why the signature is in blood when there is red paint left around.) The second criminal didn't know about the listening device so they didn't retrieve it.
There are two chairs. It could be a message on the part of the victim but it is also an appealing idea that someone else was tied up in the other chair and managed to get out, but didn't untie Akashi Shuusaku as a betrayal. Of course that begs the question of how he got out of the room, but I suppose if the dolly of books weren't there, the betrayer could have rolled them there later.
In the suspects' pictures, all of the people are glowering at the photographer suspiciously... Who takes these pictures anyway. :p
Two of the suspects have mustaches, so I wonder if detective Koumei (it's easier to write than his real name) is related to any of the suspects. That detective has a pretty distinctive face by the way. Most of Gosho's characters who have distinctive facial characteristics show up more than once.
I'll wait until next week for more clues. It is likely this case has something to do with the body of Kobashi Aoi found in the warehouse/storeroom three years previous. What was she looking for at the time? Maybe someone set up her search to aggravate her heart problems... This murder could be the standard revenge for marrying the girl I liked and then letting her die motive.
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Sorry for the double post, but the Gundam plot was based off a real book called Romance of the Three Kingdoms which in turn is based off the historic three kingdoms period after the fall of the Han dynasty. See:Fenris wrote: It seems in the book 'Three Kingdoms' that Ran and Mouri were talking about, there was a famous Strategist named Koumei. I think this is quite funny since 'Yamato Kansuke' is nearly the name of the famous strategist 'Yamamoto Kansuke'. Lawl. xD
anyways, it all has to do with Gundams and such. You can find out more here, on my favorite resource, Wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3_kingdoms
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romance_of_the_Three_Kingdoms
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Red_Cliff
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Thought and Ideas
First note that we have four suspect not five. Two of the six are dead
Next three deal with art in the color form.
Next a black chair, a white chair and a red wall. As white and Red mix together maybe Pink has something to do with it Not sure about black
I have a feeling that either the house was empty while the victim was in the room, All other four are Guilty or the killer somehow blackmailed the victim into staying silent.
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First note that we have four suspect not five. Two of the six are dead
Next three deal with art in the color form.
Next a black chair, a white chair and a red wall. As white and Red mix together maybe Pink has something to do with it Not sure about black
I have a feeling that either the house was empty while the victim was in the room, All other four are Guilty or the killer somehow blackmailed the victim into staying silent.
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Fenris
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I'd like to point out that no one EVER mentioned the victim been bound or held down in anyway. Conan would have gone on a track attack over this situation, and they would have said something about another person in the room.
Here is a picture of the victim WITHOUT bounds hands.
Here is a picture of the victim WITHOUT bounds hands.
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However, there's no proof saying he wasn't held down, and there could've very easily been someone else in the room.
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tera
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However, if he had been bound, wouldn't forensics have picked it up? (There are probably ways around it, but especially if he struggled, there would have been restraint markings on his body). Maybe the walls are very thick, or the culprit ensured other people would be far away?
For the three colors, red, white, and black, the only things I can think of associated with those colors are chess and playing cards (and the newspaper/skunk in a blender joke), so maybe it's someone Akashi... um, read "Alice in Wonderland" with. Haha.
I also found it strange that he'd sign his name. obviously, if he wanted people to think it was his dying message--but that sort of thing is pretty easy to fake. Also, he wrote it in English, right? And since his name is homophonous with proof, maybe he means there's some kind of evidence in the paint itself.
For the three colors, red, white, and black, the only things I can think of associated with those colors are chess and playing cards (and the newspaper/skunk in a blender joke), so maybe it's someone Akashi... um, read "Alice in Wonderland" with. Haha.
I also found it strange that he'd sign his name. obviously, if he wanted people to think it was his dying message--but that sort of thing is pretty easy to fake. Also, he wrote it in English, right? And since his name is homophonous with proof, maybe he means there's some kind of evidence in the paint itself.
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Thank you DCTP, for file 682!
Questions in no particular order:
If only we knew the answers!
Sincerely,
∑ (Wanted to be M but already in use)
Questions in no particular order:
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Sincerely,
∑ (Wanted to be M but already in use)
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So is this a mushroom/drug joke, or an Alan Moore joke?tera wrote: so maybe it's someone Akashi... um, read "Alice in Wonderland" with. Haha.
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Your wit never ceases to amaze me, GinRei.GinRei wrote:So is this a mushroom/drug joke, or an Alan Moore joke?tera wrote: so maybe it's someone Akashi... um, read "Alice in Wonderland" with. Haha.
Umandsf wrote:That proves it, then. Jing = God. [white]Not really.[/white]Jing wrote: I work in mysterious ways.
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Actually, it's Zhuge Liang, whose alternate name was Kongming. The Romance of the Three Kingdoms is a book based off of the history of the Three Kingdoms period. Zhuge Liang lived through the reign of Liu Bei (or in this file, "Ryuubi") in the state of Shu; once Liu Bei died, his son Liu Chan took over. Unfortunately, Liu Chan wasn't as hardworking as his father was, so Zhuge Liang wrote an essay to the new king (not emperor, because there was no 'dynasty' at this time). Shu ultimately fell, and the remaining two kingdoms - after mass fighting, splitting off and re-conquering - ended up as a single Jin Dynasty.Fenris wrote: It seems in the book 'Three Kingdoms' that Ran and Mouri were talking about, there was a famous Strategist named Koumei.
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Ah, I was confused about the Japanese translations of their names. I'm pretty familiar with the 3 Kingdoms, as my dad is Chinese and a history buff.helloworld wrote:Actually, it's Zhuge Liang, whose alternate name was Kongming. The Romance of the Three Kingdoms is a book based off of the history of the Three Kingdoms period. Zhuge Liang lived through the reign of Liu Bei (or in this file, "Ryuubi") in the state of Shu; once Liu Bei died, his son Liu Chan took over. Unfortunately, Liu Chan wasn't as hardworking as his father was, so Zhuge Liang wrote an essay to the new king (not emperor, because there was no 'dynasty' at this time). Shu ultimately fell, and the remaining two kingdoms - after mass fighting, splitting off and re-conquering - ended up as a single Jin Dynasty.Fenris wrote: It seems in the book 'Three Kingdoms' that Ran and Mouri were talking about, there was a famous Strategist named Koumei.
Do you guys think that would have anything to do with the case? I can't see how it would relate to it...I think Wu (or Shu) is usually represented by Red...
Not sure.