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As crazy as it is, I have a theory that I want your guys opinion on. The thought process is a little messed up but please keep an open mind.
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1. Akai is not dead.
Having reread the chapter of Akai's death, I noticed that the blood trail that was on his mouth had disappeared (CH.609 pg.5)and the head was turned from what it was. Meaning that a body could have been switched. The first shot was an actual bullet but her second was a chalk round. With the second round being chalk would allow a wound on the head so that there would be bleeding but with a less of a chance to kill someone. With the blank knocking him out, Hidemi Hondou gave him the poison and switched out the bodies. Also the location of Raiha Falls seems like Reichencach Falls.

2. Subaru is not Akai
Akai knew of Conan's ability as a detective(doesn't mean he knows his secret) while Subaru confirms it during the vending machine death case. Subaru is hiding his actual appearance from Sera(which she might have figured out) as seen when he hide the comb in his left hand and was brushing his teeth so that he couldn't talk. It's possible that both brother's are left handed so he wanted to hide this fact.

3. Sera found Akai
Sera had found her brother after the Mystery Train case and had been consulting him frequently afterwards. During one case she took a picture of conan and sent it to her brother. If Subaru was Akai and Sera knew his identity then the need to send him a picture was pointless so Subaru can't be the brother that Sera is texting/calling. This means that Sera didn't know that Akai had met conan previously.

4. Kid in the picture
I think that the kid in the picture is actually Akai. It's possible that Akai dyed his hair as a kid or that is his natural hair color. Also some time has passed so his hair could have grown out. The frills around the sheet could be miss leading that its a girl because Sera is taking care of him so its natural that he is in her bed.

Tell me what you think and what your theories are relating to Akai, Subaru, and the new kid in the picture.
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That could be an interesting twist, though the first point you make [Akai is not dead] is generally accepted in the community who's up to date with the spoilers. That would also make for an interesting reference, as he then resembles Char Aznable in terms of the hair. :D
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So why do you think Akai who should be 10+ years older than Sera is a kid and Sera is taking care of him? lol
I think she's the second oldest brothers or akais child instead... she seems to be foreign so it's most likely that she's the 2nd oldest brothers daughter
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I don't believe that the drug takes off only 10 years but it takes you back to a point. I also don't believe that she is the child of either of them because during the Mystery Train when she saw Vermouth dressed as Akai, she called him "Shuu-nii" which I believe is used to refer to older brother. If it was her father then it would have been tousan. If she is Subaru's daughter she would have called him Ojisan. This confirms for me that they are brother and sister. Also I believe that the two older brothers might look extremely similar. Also Sera said that the hat that she wore was a lot like her older brother's, but in every flashback that we've seen Akai(New York, Black organization, and current) he always wore a toboggan(knit cap, beanie).
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I meant that the child in the picture is the daughter of the 2nd oldest brother, not Sera
Also wasnt the brother supposed to look different than Akai and Sera...
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I think your theory about Akai makes no sense. I don't know if you read Chekhov's theory about Akai=Okiya, but i guess not. So i would recommend you to read it. :) It is the best theory so far. Furthermore I thought that Gosho already revealed that Akai is Okiya... I mean why would they wear the same clothes ? (--> Mystery train case) In Addition to that it is undeniably true that Sera has two brothers and I am pretty sure the other one is Yumi's boyfriend (or ex..I forgot his name)
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Let's say that Yumi's boyfriend is the second brother as Busido14 says. Could a man madly in love with Yumi have a kid with someone else and wouldn't we know that Yumi had a child? This leads me to believe that the kid in the picture is not Yumi's boyfriends(can't recall his name). Akai I believe was in love with Ai's sister and the chance of them having a kid when they are constantly monitored by the BO is nigh improbable. I will say that it is possible to be the child of the second brother Subaru(don't believe he's Akai, that's too simple for Gosho) or he/she could be a little sister/brother of Sera/Akai/Subaru. I've tried looking for the post that Chekhov made on Akai=Okiya and can't find it, but I believe the ending of the Mystery Train case was a way to confuse with Bourbon. What I do(as will every agree) that Sera is Akai's sister, but the possibility that the Subaru being Akai is just as high as him being the other brother. But I'm sure that in a month we will know the relation of the little kid that we saw in the picture.
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Well I said that her other brother might be Yumi's boyfriend but I don't think that they have a child. As mentioned before the child could be either one of her brothers who has the same fate as Conan that he became a kid or the child might be none of her brothers and a basically new character.
So the problem is that Sera has only 2 brothers but we have three suspects.

Concerning to Akai isn't Okiya: One year ago I shared the same opinon. Akai can't be Okiya, it would be to simple. But everyone said that there is no space left for another theory because all as be said about Okiya=Akai. Today I think it is right. Okiya must be Akai otherwise it would get to confesing... So many details which wouldn't make sense anymore

PS: Sry for my bad english. I am actually a native German citizen, therefore I am not used to speak english every day...
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Well I said that her other brother might be Yumi's boyfriend but I don't think that they have a child. As mentioned before the child could be either one of her brothers who has the same fate as Conan that he became a kid or the child might be none of her brothers and a basically new character.
So the problem is that Sera has only 2 brothers but we have three suspects.

Concerning to Akai isn't Okiya: One year ago I shared the same opinon. Akai can't be Okiya, it would be to simple. But everyone said that there is no space left for another theory because all has been said about Okiya=Akai. Today I think it is right. Okiya must be Akai otherwise it would get to confusing... So many details which wouldn't make sense anymore

PS: Sry for my bad english. I am actually a native German citizen, therefore I am not used to speak english every day...
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Exia92 wrote: Also I believe that the two older brothers might look extremely similar.
The two older brothers were explicitly stated not to look alike in Volume 81, File 9 (859): pgs 6-7: "Jeet Kune Do vs. Karate".
Exia92 wrote:Also Sera said that the hat that she wore was a lot like her older brother's, but in every flashback that we've seen Akai(New York, Black organization, and current) he always wore a toboggan(knit cap, beanie).
That's not quite right. Sera said her hat has the same sort of feel as the ones her brother wore, but the wording is more like the fit or feeling of wearing it than physical appearance. The translators had a discussion over that line when the chapter came out that you might be able to find in the thread archive.
Exia92 wrote: Subaru(don't believe he's Akai, that's too simple for Gosho)
This isn't a valid standalone criticism. People said the same thing about Amuro being Bourbon and Masumi being Akai's sister. Okiya has the Black Organization scent and has an attitude towards Haibara like he knew her in the past (Paraphrase: "you are like your sister I can predict all your moves"), and she him ("Don't make that face" = Moroboshi Dai).
Exia92 wrote:I've tried looking for the post that Chekhov made on Akai=Okiya and can't find it
All of my major theory posts are linked in Chekhov's Theories about the plot. DCW's wiki has a similar page. viewtopic.php?f=5&t=402&p=37837#p37837
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Now it comes to the question of who is the kid and second brother. The only proof for Yumi's boyfriend being the second brother is that Sera sent a picture of conan amd got a reply after Yumi's boyfriend met him. This being the only thing that I found, doesn't seem to be enough proof. We know that Sera is talking to her second brother and not Subaru because a picture wouldn't have been necessary. If Subaru=Akai then 1. Yumi's bf is the brother or 2. He has not been introduced but will be in flashback.
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Way too many twists, imo. It'd seem like an attempt to swerve the fans after the failed Bourbon arc. For god's sake just end it, Gosho.
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Stupid theory
Akai and Jodie were dating before he dated akemi
So what if they had a child but both had to leave to Japan for their mission
So akai kept his child with sera mother and when sera came she bought the girl
Jodie does not want to meet the kid because she's still sad of her ex-boyfriend death
And she might think that akai might not have a sister and not worried about her child because the organization won't hurt her if they don't know she even there

I know its stupid I keep thinking of it ... Jodie has orange hair and blonde once .. So ...
What do u think ... How stuped is this theory ??!
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But that is also another theory that makes no sense. It seems off with both Jodie and Akai, if they were to have had a child, to have Sera take care of the kid. Yeah, they're working in a dangerous field and dealing with very dangerous people, but they seem like they'd come up with a different solution than have his younger sister take care of their child. And the timeline makes no sense. Sera is 17. Before Akai wormed into the Black Org, which was 5 years prior, Sera would be 12. It would be downright irresponsible to force your kid sister to raise your child and that's not either Jodie's or Akai's styles at all.

On top of that, why would Sera then be so cryptic, hiding them, but also showing Conan and hinting to him about said kid, if it were simply a normal relative, be it her brother's child or, more broadly with this topic, a cousin? [I'm using normal in relative terms, as the Akai family all seem to be incredibly sharp in ways most would consider abnormal.]

That would either be Sera deliberately going for a red herring for literally no discernible purpose or the kid is important in some way we can only guess about because we don't have much information. All we know for sure is the kid is a relative of the Akai family, Sera is in contact with them, and that they're important in some way, enough so that she thinks Conan ought to know about them.

And this is a series where there is a poison that can turn people into little kids physically.
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irishock wrote:Way too many twists, imo. It'd seem like an attempt to swerve the fans after the failed Bourbon arc. For god's sake just end it, Gosho.
I'm not sure why you have the impression the Bourbon arc "failed". The only way it would be considered a failure is if sales/watchers of DC dropped because they were frustrated with the story. I see no evidence of that happening is response to the Bourbon arc.
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