Will Conan or Haibara meet Akai in File 679

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After the bank robbery case within File 679, will Conan or Ai-chan meet Akai, whatever that Akai is real or imposter.

If this is real Akai, when Conan meets him, he can't say the words like the death faking plan succeed in front of Ai-chan, Agasa and Detective Youth Club. If Gin discovered Akai still alive, Mizuhashi Rena will be in danger for sure.

If Haibara saw Akai, will she go and question Akai since she says that she hope to meet Akai.

However the highest possibility is Akai will be missing in action after the bank robbers under arrest and then he peeks Conan and co nearby.
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I think that Conan will see Akai in 679.
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Now that Jodie is stunned, they will be able to speak freely or to communicate in an other way without Jodie noticing
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I'd like to see Haibara's reaction upon getting a glimpse of this "Akai's" face, or at least get close to him enough to use her sixth sense to tell whether he's "one of them" this time.

PS: I don't know if her sixth sense works upon someone she didn't meet before (like Bourbon), though.
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Tenken wrote: I'd like to see Haibara's reaction upon getting a glimpse of this "Akai's" face, or at least get close to him enough to use her sixth sense to tell whether he's "one of them" this time.

PS: I don't know if her sixth sense works upon someone she didn't meet before (like Bourbon), though.
I don't think it will matter if she gets a glimpse of his face due to the reason that Akai has hinted Haibara knows his face. If that's the case, it means she knows Akai from the days he was a B.O. member or when Akemi sent her a picture of her "boyfriend". So her immediate reaction under either scenario won't help figure out if this is the real Akai.


As for the second point, the way it works is that all those involved with the B.O. develop this black aura around them which can be detected by other members. So one member can detect another member, it's not like each member has their own specific aura to be detected.
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I think Haibara/Sherry only knows Akai under the fake name "Moboroshi Dai".  I don't think she knows his real name, his FBI identity, and his being the cause of her sister's death... yet.
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Tenken wrote: I think Haibara/Sherry only knows Akai under the fake name "Moboroshi Dai".  I don't think she knows his real name, his FBI identity, and his being the cause of her sister's death... yet.
Looks like we are making a habit of missing each other  ;D
I don't think it will matter if she gets a glimpse of his face due to the reason that Akai has hinted Haibara knows his face. If that's the case, it means she knows Akai from the days he was a B.O. member or when Akemi sent her a picture of her "boyfriend". So her immediate reaction under either scenario won't help figure out if this is the real Akai.
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this is all too simple, the clues tat show he is akai r too overwhelmin, so overwhelmin tat it cnt be true XD
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It'll be so much interesting to let "Akai" and Okiya meet ;D

Btw, please remind me: did Sherry or Akemi introduced Akai into the B.O. ?
Was Akemi a B.O. member before she met Akai ?
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Ocelot wrote: I hope that Akai is dead. If it turns out that he is alive then i won't watch Detective Conan ever again  >:( >:( >:(.
Goodbye.  :-* Shuuichi letting Kir kill him makes no sense. He could've offered her a quick escape in his truck since Gin wasn't close enough to kill them. Sacrificing himself for the sake of Conan and the CIA having a dubiously useful inside informant would just be stupid. There's plenty of evidence that there was a body switch and Conan was in on the plan. Probably James was in on the plan too, after ordering Shuuichi to explain himself for refusing Jodie's backup. If all that stuff turns out to be red herrings, then I'm done with the series.

That's not to say that I'm not hoping that we get a real big twist and learn that Gin saw through the scheme, just like Colonel Moran noted Holmes's survival...
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I'll bomb Aoyama's house if Akai is really dead ;D
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Nyarl wrote:
Ocelot wrote: I hope that Akai is dead. If it turns out that he is alive then i won't watch Detective Conan ever again  >:( >:( >:(.
Goodbye.  :-* Shuuichi letting Kir kill him makes no sense. He could've offered her a quick escape in his truck since Gin wasn't close enough to kill them. Sacrificing himself for the sake of Conan and the CIA having a dubiously useful inside informant would just be stupid. There's plenty of evidence that there was a body switch and Conan was in on the plan. Probably James was in on the plan too, after ordering Shuuichi to explain himself for refusing Jodie's backup. If all that stuff turns out to be red herrings, then I'm done with the series.

That's not to say that I'm not hoping that we get a real big twist and learn that Gin saw through the scheme, just like Colonel Moran noted Holmes's survival...
Eh, not really. Akai doesn't how much Gin prepared for the encounter. Since Gin was suspecting and was really testing Kir, it's almost sure that he has a backup plan in case Kir betrayed them and Akai dragged her into her car and escaped or something.

As I've said before, Kir was definitely taken taken by surprise when Gin told her to kill Akai. Giving excuses and losing her cool for the first time (that I'm aware of), she obviously was panicking. It's quite likely that Akai and Kir did not have a plan before her re-admittance in the Black Organization. So that leaves the question of when they made the plan to fake Akai's death. Giving that it's Gin, who's suspecting Kir, he definitely had monitored all contact that Kir made. If there's anything suspicious or outta place, much less a battle plan strategy that Akai made, it's game over for them. Really, unless Kir can message in Morse with her toes or something, I really can't see how they can create a strategy that can sneak past Gin.

Also note Kir's thoughts in 609: "Please, don't think badly of me" with a sad face. Alright, so unless the Black Organization has developed some sort of a mind reader, I don't know why Kir would be this way. Why is she unhappy? If Akai's actually alive, she should play her part well and act happy and evil.

As Nyarl said though, there's a lot of things pointing that at least, there's a lot more than Akai's death than shown. I really don't know whether he's dead or not. Personally, while Akai's one of my favorite characters, I'm hoping that his dead to add a bit more realism, rather than some battle of immortals. However, it's quite likely that he's alive. But really, whether he's dead or not, all I'm hoping is that Gosho will surprise us with some major twists.
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Tenken wrote: It'll be so much interesting to let "Akai" and Okiya meet ;D

Btw, please remind me: did Sherry or Akemi introduced Akai into the B.O. ?
Was Akemi a B.O. member before she met Akai ?
Akai used Akemi to infiltrate the B.O. by getting close to her and becoming her boyfriend. By doing this he put himself in a position to get noticed by the B.O. who most likely monitored Akemi from time to time. In the end he actually fell for her and confessed his plan and turns out Akemi actually had a feeling that Akai was using her but she didn't care cause in the end their love was real.

Akemi & Shiho have always been part of the B.O. via their parents though Akemi had more freedom since she wasn't as useful to them. So the B.O. most likely let her roam & send letters since it would just increase the productivity of Shiho.
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Hey thanks for da answers ;D
There's one thing though: I don't think Akai loved Akemi; it was his sense of guilt.
thriceplus wrote:Also note Kir's thoughts in 609: "Please, don't think badly of me" with a sad face. Alright, so unless the Black Organization has developed some sort of a mind reader, I don't know why Kir would be this way. Why is she unhappy? If Akai's actually alive, she should play her part well and act happy and evil.
Oh com'on! If Akai's really dead, why was Conan happy? ;D

I think Kir was sad because - being a humanist as always - she felt she was desecrating the dead person's body (in this case I think it was the B.O. member who shot himself upon seeing Akai; ... forgot his name ;D)
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Tenken wrote:
thriceplus wrote:Also note Kir's thoughts in 609: "Please, don't think badly of me" with a sad face. Alright, so unless the Black Organization has developed some sort of a mind reader, I don't know why Kir would be this way. Why is she unhappy? If Akai's actually alive, she should play her part well and act happy and evil.
Oh com'on! If Akai's really dead, why was Conan happy? ;D

I think Kir was sad because - being a humanist as always - she felt she was desecrating the dead person's body (in this case I think it was the B.O. member who shot himself upon seeing Akai; ... forgot his name ;D)
This. (Though, heh, I'd wonder whether the latter wasn't more from Shinto spiritualism than "humanism"...)

But, there's still something to Rena not being happy when Gin first confronted her with the mission. Perhaps if she were quickly and unquestioningly agreeing to go after the greatly feared Akai Shuuichi, that would be even more suspicious to Gin.
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Tenken wrote: Hey thanks for da answers ;D
There's one thing though: I don't think Akai loved Akemi; it was his sense of guilt.
thriceplus wrote:Also note Kir's thoughts in 609: "Please, don't think badly of me" with a sad face. Alright, so unless the Black Organization has developed some sort of a mind reader, I don't know why Kir would be this way. Why is she unhappy? If Akai's actually alive, she should play her part well and act happy and evil.
Oh com'on! If Akai's really dead, why was Conan happy? ;D

I think Kir was sad because - being a humanist as always - she felt she was desecrating the dead person's body (in this case I think it was the B.O. member who shot himself upon seeing Akai; ... forgot his name ;D)
If you are arguing that Akai fell in love with Akemi after her death due to misplaced guilt, than that's a unique argument but the series has shown otherwise. There have been a few flashbacks where Akemi was still alive and Akai showed affection for her(via flashbacks), so his love was not based on guilt from what we know so far. Actually it wouldn't surprise me if events unfolded where Akai offered to take Akemi to America after his cover was blown but she refused because she didn't want to leave Shiho behind. Who knows, if Gin held his side of the deal, Akemi and Shiho could of been in America in the FBI witness protection program living with Akai (pictures a funny sitcom) ;D.
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