Haibara's

[Kleene Onigiri]

I don't remember  ran taking a bodyguard training :x
Also, it's hard to draw someone on top covering her fully when you want to show who is underneath.

you're commenting on the picture out of context. Besides, laying on someone isn't hard, you don't need bodyguard training for that. also, draw it from the side.

Don't know why you think I comment on it out of context.

Well, drawing it from the side would be even harder. Would also look silly and won't fit into the mood. And I doubt gosho was worrying about that little detail when he made that story. He also just has a week to draw that (drawing it, not thinking about it)
Ran also rushed to Haibara and jumped at her, making landing on her 100% correct difficult (which a bodyguard would be better at )

Another thing is, that Ran actually covered her completely if you look it from vermouth point of view. Ran didn't know how many people there are and where exactly they stand, besides Vermouth. She couldn't know where Calvados is, since he was hiding anyway.
Also I don't think the view we have (audience) is the same that calvados has. So, it's possible that Haibara is completely covered by Ran in Calvados point of view. But since he uses a sniper, I think he can just shoot through Ran to reach haibara anyway :x
But Ran couldn't know that there was a sniper. She was basically saving haibara from vermouth, who she saw a bit with a gun (but not good enough to identify her, since she was rushing to haibara)


and also, what Abs. said/fixed

[Wakarimashita]

About the poll, since the poll taken in 2003 before Party showdown case. I think BO highlight is very limit in that point. people like Akai and Vermouth still mysterious and haven't do anything awesome. since 335 Secret of the Tohto Film Development Studio (September 2003) it was set up that BO take action and spy on them (actually it's FBI too). So things get more tense and may change people's opinion about them but we did't see that opinion.

If the anime version of the Party Showdown aired after the poll in January 2004, Volume 42 came out on July the 18th 2003, meaning the Party Showdown and all the cases leading up to it had been published before the poll (april 2003). Since it's in the Conan Doriru, we can assume that those who answered probably read the manga. Therefore, it might have changed a little, but I think it's still quite accurate.

[soratothamax]

I don't remember  ran taking a bodyguard training :x
Also, it's hard to draw someone on top covering her fully when you want to show who is underneath.

you're commenting on the picture out of context. Besides, laying on someone isn't hard, you don't need bodyguard training for that. also, draw it from the side.

Don't know why you think I comment on it out of context.

Well, drawing it from the side would be even harder. Would also look silly and won't fit into the mood. And I doubt gosho was worrying about that little detail when he made that story. He also just has a week to draw that (drawing it, not thinking about it)
Ran also rushed to Haibara and jumped at her, making landing on her 100% correct difficult (which a bodyguard would be better at )

Another thing is, that Ran actually covered her completely if you look it from vermouth point of view. Ran didn't know how many people there are and where exactly they stand, besides Vermouth. She couldn't know where Calvados is, since he was hiding anyway.
Also I don't think the view we have (audience) is the same that calvados has. So, it's possible that Haibara is completely covered by Ran in Calvados point of view. But since he uses a sniper, I think he can just shoot through Ran to reach haibara anyway :x
But Ran couldn't know that there was a sniper. She was basically saving haibara from vermouth, who she saw a bit with a gun (but not good enough to identify her, since she was rushing to haibara)


and also, what Abs. said/fixed

Also, agreeing here, if Ran had heard Vermouth's footsteps coming closer to get a better aim, she would slide Haibara even closer to her or under here, so Vermouth would be dumb to move closer not knowing Ran's next move. Vermouth stayed far away trying to scare Ran by shooting around her. I just re-read that file. I don't think Ran's way of saving Haibara was off-key. But hiding in the truck was.

And I don't think Ran cared if Vermouth or Calvados shot her. I think she was risking her life for Ai.

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

I think Haibara talk back to Okiya not because she's more bold (although It's can interpret that way). I think because Gosho need someone to point out that Okiya keep looking at Agasa's house and only Haibara capable in doing that. Conan trust Okiya and probably know why Okiya look and won't point it out. DB and Agasa are not much considerate. Haibara is, and it goes with her "mistrustful" character. So I don't think Gosho try to convey that Haibara is bolder.

Basically Haibara is taking half of Conan's usual "asking the questions and pointing out the suspicious things" role he has in all the other arcs. The reason for this is that Conan knows half the solution of this arc - Conan knows Okiya's true identity already. Conan has his usual role when when he faces scar Akai because Conan has no idea what is going on there and scar Akai and Haibara can't meet until unless the climax is about to begin.

About the poll, since the poll taken in 2003 before Party showdown case. I think BO highlight is very limit in that point. people like Akai and Vermouth still mysterious and haven't do anything awesome. since 335 Secret of the Tohto Film Development Studio (September 2003) it was set up that BO take action and spy on them (actually it's FBI too). So things get more tense and may change people's opinion about them but we didn't see that opinion.

This arc will get more tense as it rolls on because there are four things that are going to occur near the climax, the discovery and defeat of Bourbon, Ran's suspicion Conan is Shinichi, Haibara's faceoff with Akai, and the uncovering of Bourbon's past. All of these ought to be interesting.

Bourbon will make a move eventually as he runs out of FBI to stalk. It might be threatening Kir, visiting Mouri Kogoro, noticing Okiya, or noticing Haibara but he'll have to do something different if he doesn't want to want his investigation to dead end.
At the same time, we have the Ran who has picked up on Heiji's omamori fingerprint inconsistency in the Shiragami case. Her questioning of that has been built up slowly so far. (sports bar case) It is similar to the situation with Conan's two cellphones and whose fingerprints, Akai's or Rikumichi's, were on the cellphone he gave to Jodie. I think Ran will enter a suspicious period, at or near the climax, which is means Conan will have to deal with Ran and Bourbon simultaneously.
Haibara and Akai were foreshadowed to have a chat ever since Akai walked out on the unconscious Shiho after Vermouth escaped. Haibara has been getting bolder around Okiya. She may have realized who Okiya is at this point although she must be confused about the seemingly blind trust Conan gives him.
Bourbon's past that caused him to despise Akai will also come into play either as the climax becomes imminently approaching like Jodie and Vermouth, or right afterwards as it happened with Kir. It should be interesting and will allow some insight into the inner workings and group dynamics inside the BO.

[ProfParanoia]

Well, drawing it from the side would be even harder. Would also look silly and won't fit into the mood. Not really, changing the angle would look fine if you also put Ran in a spot where's she should be. And I doubt gosho was worrying about that little detail when he made that story. He also just has a week to draw that (drawing it, not thinking about it)Clearly he wasn't thinking about it for that long.
Ran also rushed to Haibara and jumped at her, making landing on her 100% correct difficult (which a bodyguard would be better at )Why did she jump from a car? You're using one bad scene to explain another.

Another thing is, that Ran actually covered her completely if you look it from vermouth point of view. Ran didn't know how many people there are and where exactly they stand, besides Vermouth. She couldn't know where Calvados is, since he was hiding anyway.You're right, it was a good thing she positioned her body for those water snipers.
Also I don't think the view we have (audience) is the same that calvados has. So, it's possible that Haibara is completely covered by Ran in Calvados point of view.He probably has a fine view since rand is again protecting Ai from the water snipers. But since he uses a sniper, I think he can just shoot through Ran to reach haibara anyway :x
But Ran couldn't know that there was a sniper. Where did she thinks those shots came from? She was basically saving haibara from vermouth, who she saw a bit with a gun (but not good enough to identify her, since she was rushing to haibara)

[soratothamax]

Why did she jump from a car? You're using one bad scene to explain another.

Exactly the whole point. She could've run around the car on the other side. I guess she wanted to distract them. Or look cool.  

I think Haibara talk back to Okiya not because she's more bold (although It's can interpret that way). I think because Gosho need someone to point out that Okiya keep looking at Agasa's house and only Haibara capable in doing that. Conan trust Okiya and probably know why Okiya look and won't point it out. DB and Agasa are not much considerate. Haibara is, and it goes with her "mistrustful" character. So I don't think Gosho try to convey that Haibara is bolder.

Basically Haibara is taking half of Conan's usual "asking the questions and pointing out the suspicious things" roll he has in all the other arcs. The reason for this is that Conan knows half the solution of this arc - Conan knows Okiya's true identity already. Conan has his usual roll when when he faces scar Akai because Conan has no idea what is going on there and scar Akai and Haibara can't meet until unless the climax is about to begin.

About the poll, since the poll taken in 2003 before Party showdown case. I think BO highlight is very limit in that point. people like Akai and Vermouth still mysterious and haven't do anything awesome. since 335 Secret of the Tohto Film Development Studio (September 2003) it was set up that BO take action and spy on them (actually it's FBI too). So things get more tense and may change people's opinion about them but we didn't see that opinion.

This arc will get more tense as it rolls on because there are four things that are going to occur near the climax, the discovery and defeat of Bourbon, Ran's suspicion Conan is Shinichi, Haibara's faceoff with Akai, and the uncovering of Bourbon's past. All of these ought to be interesting.

Bourbon will make a move eventually as he runs out of FBI to stalk. It might be threatening Kir, visiting Mouri Kogoro, noticing Okiya, or noticing Haibara but he'll have to do something different if he doesn't want to want his investigation to dead end.
At the same time, we have the Ran who has picked up on Heiji's omamori fingerprint inconsistency in the Shiragami case. Her questioning of that has been built up slowly so far. (sports bar case) It is similar to the situation with Conan's two cellphones and whose fingerprints, Akai's or Rikumichi's, were on the cellphone he gave to Jodie. I think Ran will enter a suspicious period, at or near the climax, which is means Conan will have to deal with Ran and Bourbon simultaneously.
Haibara and Akai were foreshadowed to have a chat ever since Akai walked out on the unconscious Shiho after Vermouth escaped. Haibara has been getting bolder around Okiya. She may have realized who Okiya is at this point although she must be confused about the seemingly blind trust Conan gives him.
Bourbon's past that caused him to despise Akai will also come into play either as the climax becomes imminently approaching like Jodie and Vermouth, or right afterwards as it happened with Kir. It should be interesting and will allow some insight into the inner workings and group dynamics inside the BO.

Which is why I'm anticipating a "investigate" Okiya thing from Haibara. Though normally, she just stays away from those she suspects, she might do something as bold as try to investigate it herself (normally ending up with Conan having to step in at some point).

So you said you suspect that the Ran/Bourbon confrontations might happen around the same time. Meaning to say, you expect Ran will purposefully get involved with the Bourbon fiasco if she senses Shinichi will be there?

I have to remember that Ai hasn't met Akai yet, and so she wouldn't trust Okiya even if he was Akai...because she still doesn't trust Akai...well, because she doesn't know him.

And see with Shinichi's confession, that means Ran's suspicions are going to rise, especially as Haibara put it, she's going to seeking him more and more often.

Wow Chek, you explanations are as long as mine. Good thing I have a good attention span and can read long paragraphs. 

[Dus]

I half expect Ai to have confronted Okiya while Conan was away in London and busy being a Holmes fanboy.

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

So you said you suspect that the Ran/Bourbon confrontations might happen around the same time. Meaning to say, you expect Ran will purposefully get involved with the Bourbon fiasco if she senses Shinichi will be there?

She won't purposefully get involved with the Bourbon fiasco, but she may wind up involved if while being suspicious she decides to tail Conan or delay him somehow. I have no reason to think this, but I don't think Bourbon and Ran will ever meet. Okiya might move to intercept Ran to keep her out of the mess though.

I have to remember that Ai hasn't met Akai yet, and so she wouldn't trust Okiya even if he was Akai...because she still doesn't trust Akai...well, because she doesn't know him.

She knows Moroboshi Dai.

Wow Chek, you explanations are as long as mine. Good thing I have a good attention span and can read long paragraphs.  ;D

http://forums.dctp.ws/viewtopic.php?t=3518.0  :P

[soratothamax]

@ Dus

ME too! I was really expecting that. It may come up the next file, who knows.

I was also thinking a little more about Okiya's background, though I'm not sure if it was brought up already, or whether it is relevant. Okiya attends Tokyo University for a doctorate in Engineering. So that means he's skilled with mathematics, scientific knowledge, and architectural fields and machinery. Technology could be included. More like the applied sciences. Has the Tokyo University ever been shown before in an episode? I think more info on his degree and main experience should be known. And do we know any characters that may have similar skills?

So you said you suspect that the Ran/Bourbon confrontations might happen around the same time. Meaning to say, you expect Ran will purposefully get involved with the Bourbon fiasco if she senses Shinichi will be there?

She won't purposefully get involved with the Bourbon fiasco, but she may wind up involved if while being suspicious she decides to tail Conan or delay him somehow. I have no reason to think this, but I don't think Bourbon and Ran will ever meet. Okiya might move to intercept Ran to keep her out of the mess though.

I have to remember that Ai hasn't met Akai yet, and so she wouldn't trust Okiya even if he was Akai...because she still doesn't trust Akai...well, because she doesn't know him.

She knows Moroboshi Dai.

Wow Chek, you explanations are as long as mine. Good thing I have a good attention span and can read long paragraphs. 

http://forums.dctp.ws/viewtopic.php?t=3518.0 

Oh okay. I understand what you mean. I think it's up in the air with that one. Okiya might interfere and keep Ran at bay, but if she is stubborn enough she might interfere. Especially if she wants to see Shinichi. Whether she sees Bourbon...I'm just hoping she will. I don't know why. I just think it might be interesting.

Yea, Ai knew Moroboshi Dai, but he has changed too, with cutting his hair and all. She might not recognize him right off. Who knows. But in his disguise, he still has the smell to her. I don't think the smell leaves just because she knows you....

lol now let me see if you have info on Okiya's back ground. You're a walking dictionary.

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

I was also thinking a little more about Okiya's background, though I'm not sure if it was brought up already, or whether it is relevant. Okiya attends Tokyo University for a doctorate in Engineering. So that means he's skilled with mathematics, scientific knowledge, and architectural fields and machinery. Technology could be included. More like the applied sciences.

That's only true if Okiya is telling the truth and it's not a cover job.

Has the Tokyo University ever been shown before in an episode?

No

I think more info on his degree and main experience should be known. And do we know any characters that may have similar skills?

Agasa, Souhei Degima, Kuroba Toichi, and Kuroba Kaito come to mind.

[soratothamax]

You say that Okiya might be lying? He might be. To be getting a doctorate means he has to have some pretty good skills and should be internship or working....so if he has no real job at this moment, then yes he's lying. He never said where he worked either. so..who knows.

I wonder if there will be a file where he has to use his skills....or when they visit his University.

I wonder if he's paying Shinichi's parents any rent to live up in their house? 

[Akonyl]

But gas fumes travel back there, and dehydration does kick in. I tried it once...I won't explain why. And considering how long they were driving, she should have been stumbling out of that trunk, and from the lack of sunlight, her cones in her eyes would have to adjust from leaving the trunk. Though when she left he trunk it was night outside, the air would still hit her eyes. I did an experiment on that. It wouldn't be realistic to pop out of a trunk, especially without the key or an indoor trunk opener. What she triggered the wiring? But how was she able to see and know where it was in the trunk? Either Jodie didn't shut the trunk all the way or Ran seriously was forced there.

I've done it too (for a longer time than I wanted to, they decided to go on a joyride when I was back there :V), and there were no gas fumes and I was fine afterwards, so I'm guessing the car you were in must've had a busted exhaust system if it was leaking fumes into the trunk (which is bad, as oftentimes trunks aren't airtight against the cabin).

As to the question of "Ran is improperly positioned on Ai for proper protection, and she should have been drawn on top of Ai from the side instead", really I don't think it's anything more than a framing issue. Sure, it would have been possible to draw it from the side, but Gosho might have thought that it'd look weird compared to the perspective of the rest of the pictures, or some other similar reason.

This isn't the only place this issue shows up either, as to use a semi-recent example (well, actually around a year old actually):

Spoiler:

Conan is, quite literally, posing as Kogoro while standing directly in front of him in a crowded room. Not only that, but in the first frame he turns around to face the crowd, including Ran, while using his bowtie to pose as Kogoro, seriously jeopardizing the entire Sleeping Kogoro cover and the cover of his identity, which he's been trying to keep secret for the past 700 files. However, nobody in the crowd notices, which can be attributed to one of two things:

A) Every single person in the crowd, including Ran, Okiya and Scar Akai, is actually a brainless zombie
B) The author's intention and what he was able to draw in the frame while looking good are slightly different

, and unless you want to believe that DC is actually in the Zombie Apocalypse genre, it's the framing issue of "how can I easily get conan and kogoro in the same frame", more than likely. And if that's the case, it's really not much of a stretch to say that it's the same case with Ran protecting Ai.

[soratothamax]

But gas fumes travel back there, and dehydration does kick in. I tried it once...I won't explain why. And considering how long they were driving, she should have been stumbling out of that trunk, and from the lack of sunlight, her cones in her eyes would have to adjust from leaving the trunk. Though when she left he trunk it was night outside, the air would still hit her eyes. I did an experiment on that. It wouldn't be realistic to pop out of a trunk, especially without the key or an indoor trunk opener. What she triggered the wiring? But how was she able to see and know where it was in the trunk? Either Jodie didn't shut the trunk all the way or Ran seriously was forced there.

I've done it too (for a longer time than I wanted to, they decided to go on a joyride when I was back there :V), and there were no gas fumes and I was fine afterwards, so I'm guessing the car you were in must've had a busted exhaust system if it was leaking fumes into the trunk (which is bad, as oftentimes trunks aren't airtight against the cabin).

As to the question of "Ran is improperly positioned on Ai for proper protection, and she should have been drawn on top of Ai from the side instead", really I don't think it's anything more than a framing issue. Sure, it would have been possible to draw it from the side, but Gosho might have thought that it'd look weird compared to the perspective of the rest of the pictures, or some other similar reason.

This isn't the only place this issue shows up either, as to use a semi-recent example (well, actually around a year old actually):

Spoiler:

Conan is, quite literally, posing as Kogoro while standing directly in front of him in a crowded room. Not only that, but in the first frame he turns around to face the crowd, including Ran, while using his bowtie to pose as Kogoro, seriously jeopardizing the entire Sleeping Kogoro cover and the cover of his identity, which he's been trying to keep secret for the past 700 files. However, nobody in the crowd notices, which can be attributed to one of two things:

A) Every single person in the crowd, including Ran, Okiya and Scar Akai, is actually a brainless zombie
B) The author's intention and what he was able to draw in the frame while looking good are slightly different

, and unless you want to believe that DC is actually in the Zombie Apocalypse genre, it's the framing issue of "how can I easily get conan and kogoro in the same frame", more than likely. And if that's the case, it's really not much of a stretch to say that it's the same case with Ran protecting Ai.

Maybe you have a strong stomach. I was not only dizzy, I felt claustrophobic, and trapped. And since I went in in the daytime, and got out at night, my vision began to go awry because my cones were trying to adjust to the "new" surrounding and the rush of oxygen to my eyes. Depends on when you got out and got in or how your body reacts to closed spaces.

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

I've done it too (for a longer time than I wanted to, they decided to go on a joyride when I was back there :V), and there were no gas fumes and I was fine afterwards, so I'm guessing the car you were in must've had a busted exhaust system if it was leaking fumes into the trunk (which is bad, as oftentimes trunks aren't airtight against the cabin).

My experience in a trunk went just fine minus the joyride. I think you were in a bad car, Sora. I had no problems with balance after leaving the trunk either. If anything, Ran would have an easier time adjusting and reacting well since she does karate and is used to coping with dizziness and off key senses after taking hits.

[Kleene Onigiri]

What's with you all ending up in a trunk? XD