Demon Dog Case (734-740)
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Oh great, another file, another week. hopefully this case will have some sort of satisying conclusion....like Ran figuring out Shinichi's identity......wink wink.... (it's been a full "real life" year since Heiji and Kazuha last appeared, so I'd expect Ran to figure something out......then again maybe not....)
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Run down of the names, in case anyone's lost (Shinichi, Takako, Saki, Tomoaki, Miwako, Yoshiya, Keiji, Miyuki):
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nice now could you romani(sp) it
This case looks like changing a few letters spells out the killer
This case looks like changing a few letters spells out the killer
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...Because the killer is pre-destined because of his/her name? Okay.
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might be like the fish rock case where you removed fishAbs. wrote: ...Because the killer is pre-destined because of his/her name? Okay.
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How is the Satomi Hakkenden reference altered by Miyuki's name change, Abs.? Is it still intact? I think it is. Anyway, based on some scouring the internet, the fourth bead (counting right to left per old people's custom) refers to the bead for Chi wisdom from the "Jin Gi Rei Chi Chuu Shin Kou Tei" sequence. (The eight Satomi Hakkenden Samurai each had a crystal bead with a character on it representing a virtue. The eight characters are ordered as I said above.) The chi character is 智. I may have messed up somewhere, so I won't call it official, but it does seem damning for the doctor. I am reminded of a quote made by Sherlock Holmes from the speckled band, "When a doctor goes wrong, he is the first of criminals. He has nerve. He has knowledge. "Abs. wrote: Run down of the names, in case anyone's lost (Shinichi, Takako, Saki, Tomoaki, Miwako, Yoshiya, Keiji, Miyuki):Spoiler:
I still can't find any chemicals that specify an onion smell, but I found plenty with bad garlic ones. I am beginning to think that I can substitute garlic and onion smell together since they are somewhat close. Calcium Phosphide (used in flares) is my current chemical suspect as it can self ignite with a little water dragged over it and create a fire similar to the one described in the right conditions. I am pretty sure the demon dog is simply a fire apparition created by watching the pyrotechnics go off in succession. The hanky could be used for handling the compound.
Seems like Hattori and Conan were setting themselves up to be targeted since it seems all the suspects overheard them, possibly to get more evidence on the culprit.
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Nice catch Abs., I was confused by the eat-drink reference and missed the significance. Miyuki did say the pond was bottomless, so tie a rock to whatever was being dragged and have it slide along the ground after him and go into the pond. This pretty much implicates both Tomoaki and Miyuki as Miyuki would have had to untie whatever was being dragged behind the bike when Saki fell off the cliff to avoid having it found and Tomoaki to set up the trick by the shack and hold the string because no one was nearby enough to set the trick off. Miyuki might be in the clear if Tomoaki found a good way to cut the string just before the bike went off the cliff, but there should be evidence of something like that. I need to think more about if Miyuki by necessity is an accomplice or if Tomoaki could have managed on his own.Abs. wrote:If it was a fire apparition, it would look differently for the person being chased vs. the people watching the person being chased, no? At any rate, Conan seems to be hinting hard, with his "drink" vs. "eat," that either the dog or the trick (or both) disappeared into the pond.Chekhov MacGuffin wrote: I am pretty sure the demon dog is simply a fire apparition created by watching the pyrotechnics go off in succession. The hanky could be used for handling the compound.
Seems like Hattori and Conan were setting themselves up to be targeted since it seems all the suspects overheard them, possibly to get more evidence on the culprit.
Part of the problem I have is the trick with Ran and Kazuha. It never shows the dog went around the corner exactly although it does have a light around the corner. Furthermore Hachi barked, which he does when Tomoaki is nearby. I assume that the person had to drag whatever it was from the opposite side of the garden, they could set up a device to do that remotely, but how to avoid having Kazuha and Ran step on or notice the string that is dragging it?
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Here's the thing, too: You would think that if Saki had been dragging something behind her on her bike the whole time since she left the house, she would have noticed. Same as Keiji.
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It's so awesome how you come up with such great objections that I miss, so I have to refine my theories. Yeah, I agree. I think the murderer strung something across the path, like a fine fishing line, so that the bike caught it and began dragging the "dog". The item being dragged could have been set up to catch fire when it changed positions, as in two flammable compounds were set next to one another, and when disturbed by being dragged and thus mixed, they ignite. Or there could be a small pilot lamp sitting by the bag, which caught the bag on fire when it hit the little flame.Abs. wrote: Here's the thing, too: You would think that if Saki had been dragging something behind her on her bike the whole time since she left the house, she would have noticed. Same as Keiji.
My question now is whatever is being dragged dropping the compound at intervals to make the flaming footprints, or was the compound prelaid out and ignited when the dragged object was being pulled over it. Thoughts?
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I know no one really caes what I think but here it is.
the dog is light a string of lights preset up and worked by remote.
The "dog' was there waiting then when the bad one set it off things happened.
As for the doc burns could be self inflicted the question is why.
the dog is light a string of lights preset up and worked by remote.
The "dog' was there waiting then when the bad one set it off things happened.
As for the doc burns could be self inflicted the question is why.
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I actually lurk around here a lot and marvel at the stuff that Chekhov, Abs., and the others come up with [size=3px]and hope I could spend as much time as them pondering over DC mysteries[/size].ShinRanFTW wrote: ...............There's a reason why I usually avoid this part of the forums.....
On-topic though, I wonder if the 'crusty old man' has any relevance to the plotline.
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Your theory has problems. Plain old electric light looks nothing like fire. Conan and Heiji would have noticed the string of lights when they went up the cliff to investigate Saki's death and looked at the little flaming footprints. They would have also noticed when they looked at the area where Tomoaki was being chased. Also lights don't explain the burn marks made after the flaming dog came through. There were no marks before Kazuha and Ran went to feed the dog, and there were after. Furthermore there was no time to make the marks since the suspects all appeared quickly where Ran and Kazuha were.sstimson wrote: I know no one really caes what I think but here it is.
the dog is light a string of lights preset up and worked by remote.
The "dog' was there waiting then when the bad one set it off things happened.
As for the doc burns could be self inflicted the question is why.
Finally, it's obvious why the doctor would and did inflict the burns on himself, he wants to remove his status of suspect by pretending to be attacked.
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Pre-laid. Otherwise I can't figure out how the intervals would be made. But here - are you ruling out an actual dog completely? It's hard to think that everyone, especially Conan and Heiji, would refer to there being an actual dog if it was just an illusion. If it was just an illusion, then: 1) Conan and Heiji are just playing dumb for the sake of eavesdroppers, 2) the entire cabin setup was a fake (although we can pretty much count on this being the case, as far as the black magic is concerned), and 3) Hachi wasn't growling at another dog, but at Tomoaki, who should have been missed if he went outside. It's Hachi's reaction that I think points at there being another dog... One that is perhaps called with the aforementioned dog whistle - and catches Hachi's attention as well.Chekhov MacGuffin wrote: My question now is whatever is being dragged dropping the compound at intervals to make the flaming footprints, or was the compound prelaid out and ignited when the dragged object was being pulled over it. Thoughts?
I'm also willing to bet that the hospital Tomoaki works at has something to do with this. You'll notice that: 1) Satomi is being cared for at home as opposed to at the hospital, and 2) Tomoaki never went to the hospital to get his burns checked out.
Perhaps Tomoaki delved into some birth records there and figured something out about Miyuki's birth (something perhaps pointing to Miyuki's relationship with Satomi, and therefore more rightful claim to the inheritance). He then sets the whole thing up as if Miyuki is the culprit (this includes the killing of !Shinichi), so that Miyuki's claim is void.
It's also odd to think that Miyuki would be the culprit, or even an accomplice, if she's the one giving both us readers and Heiji/Conan a lot of the information we need to "solve" the case - that is, she's the one giving up information about the Inubushi children (reactions to dogs, names) that, when analyzed, is damning for her.
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Ever see "candle lights? And No they did not appear. They" hid" inside while the 'dog' was outside. When Ran and kazuha wanted to go out they were temp stopped.Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:Your theory has problems. Plain old electric light looks nothing like fire. Conan and Heiji would have noticed the string of lights when they went up the cliff to investigate Saki's death and looked at the little flaming footprints. They would have also noticed when they looked at the area where Tomoaki was being chased. Also lights don't explain the burn marks made after the flaming dog came through. There were no marks before Kazuha and Ran went to feed the dog, and there were after. Furthermore there was no time to make the marks since the suspects all appeared quickly where Ran and Kazuha were.sstimson wrote: I know no one really caes what I think but here it is.
the dog is light a string of lights preset up and worked by remote.
The "dog' was there waiting then when the bad one set it off things happened.
As for the doc burns could be self inflicted the question is why.
Finally, it's obvious why the doctor would and did inflict the burns on himself, he wants to remove his status of suspect by pretending to be attacked.
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