Detective Boys vs. Kaito Kid (712-715?) Vote for Kid's disgu

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Who is Kid disguised as this time?

The Lady interviewer
5
6%
Masui Shougo, the cameraman
5
6%
Hisumi Isao, the soundman
10
12%
Nakamori Ginzo, Kid taskforce
25
30%
Suzuki Jirokichi, rich knucklehead
1
1%
One of the random task force members
2
2%
He's not disguised this time
5
6%
He disguises as multiple people (explain)
1
1%
Someone else (explain)
3
4%
Haibara Ai's hat
22
27%
Bourbon fits into this somehow...
3
4%
 
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Oh.  Now I see.  
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Jirokichi and the others in the room know nothing about the damn powering off sound, do they?
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Spoiler:
Conan would take offense at the "Sleeping Conan" part.
I wonder when Conan woke up... :/
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Thanks Abs for the translations.
Solution to part of the mystery... (despoilered for easier searching.)

The cards on the pedestals
I'd like to note that the height of the cards on each pedestal corresponds is directly proportional to the lower head height of the DB guarding them. Genta's black column had its card the highest, Mitsuhiko's green column card was midway up, and Ai and Ayumi who are the shortest have their cards lowest on their white and red pedestal respectively. The kids must have tagged the cards to their columns themselves which likely involved the hoods of their manipulated jackets. Perhaps the rain and the wind was to get the DB to bring their hoods up so the cards stuck to the hoods would then get stuck to the columns somehow because of the way the DB were positioned to guard them. Basically that likely means Kid didn't have to visit any of the columns to perform the heist.

Kid clearly played around with the phone conversations to manipulate Jirokichi and co. into getting the jackets. The reporter person got a call from the "director" telling her that Jirokichi was getting matching jackets for the kids. "The reporter" over the phone gave Jirokichi the suggestion of which merchant to use, which the reporter in person seems to know nothing about.

Why Conan was knocked out
I think I figured out what happened to poor Conan... he was collateral damage because someone, I am guessing Kid, used electricity for something, likely the trick, and Conan was standing or touching a metal surface (Jirokichi put metal in the walls and even on the floor) which Conan touched at the wrong time perhaps because he was standing on a rotten place, and thus was knocked out by traveling current. Conan's shoes probably conduct electricity because of their electrical stimulation super kick feature. Conan's gadgets backfired on him this time...

Kid's identity
As for who Kid is, I am still siding with Nakamori. Note that signs were inadvertently stuck to the columns by the DB, so Kid probably didn't have to do any fiddling with columns, so the fluorescent paint is a red herring. Only two people handled all four keys and thus could have applied the paint to the keys which would then get in the keyholes, Nakamori and Jirokichi. I would like to point out that Nakamori handed the keys back to Jirokichi strangely by dropping them into Jirokichi's outstretched hand, likely to avoid getting fluorescent pain on himself. Also as I said in earlier posts, he manipulated everyone and he is out of character. It's gotta be him although I need to come up with evidence to rule out Jirokichi completely.
Rehashing an older post
1) Nakamori jumps to conclusions right away and states first thing for everyone to pursue Kid which suggests to me that he wants to get out of the room. He asks Jirokichi to open the doors later again.
2) Nakamori also seems to know Conan was attacked by Kid before Haibara found the stun gun. For all Nakamori would know, Conan tripped in the darkness. Haibara hadn't produced the stun gun yet. Also if it was Nakamori, he should be ranting about that " ;&^%$# injuring children and how he is going to lock Kid the @#%& up..."
3) When Jirokichi tells Nakamori to pinch everyone's faces, Nakamori changes the subject to how Kid made off with the horn. Even Jirokichi is surprised by the subject change. Nakamori normally has to be held back from ripping everyone's noses off when he hears that Kid is nearby.
4) Nakamori uncovers the fluorescent paint which is a red herring.
5) Nakamori starts to object to the DB searching everyone including him.
6) Nakamori was the one who encouraged the DB to guard the columns when the sound goes out. The DB were the ones who put the notices on the columns so this is suspicious.
7) Nakamori also does a 1,2,3 count which Kid really really likes to do. Ok, so this isn't solid evidence, but is perhaps suggestive...
8 ) Nakamori was closest to the pillar when the lights came back on.
9) He can hear the high pitched sound of the pillars being turned off. That sound is probably one that only young people can hear because older people lose the ability to hear high pitched sounds as they age.

Theory as to where the jewel is hidden...
Could it be inside the Kirin statue which is hollow? The Japanese 5th element is void so it makes sense, as does the hollow column. It could be on Kid still because I don't know how well the children searched the disguised person.

Theory about the opening mechanism
As for the opening mechanism, I'm looking into lightning. Maybe the order of the colors is black, white, blue/green, then red (swapping white and blue/green doesn't effect the shape much) so it draws a little lightning bolt if you play "connect the dots". I hope that helps everyone.
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Conclusive evidence that Kid is
Spoiler:
Nakamori, and not Jirokichi?  Read my post above re: frequencies that you lose the ability to hear with age.  Nakamori was able to hear it (and explain it to the kids), which in reality he shouldn't have (he's old).  In reality, the only ones that should have been able to hear it are Kid himself, and Conan+DB who he had manipulated into being there.  Notice that no one else mentions having heard the sounds.  That's what Ran and Sonoko heard.  The sound of the power being cut to each of the pedestals.

Also, EVERY SINGLE TIME the someone's on the verge of revealing some critical information, he interrupts them.

- "...the electrical charge was still running through the pedestals…" "Yeah, that's why-" "HEY OLD MAN!"
Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:
Spoiler:
It could be on Kid still because I don't know how well the children searched the disguised person.
I just had the most perverted mental image based on your words there.  Thanks a lot.  >:(
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I can so see the punch line of this KID arc..

Conan : So haibara, you DID enjoy being a detective aren't you ?

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Abs. wrote:
Chekhov MacGuffin wrote: It could be on Kid still because I don't know how well the children searched the disguised person.
I just had the most perverted mental image based on your words there.  Thanks a lot.   >:(
You're welcome! ;D
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I can't help but wonder if Gosho read a lot of our minds (or posts). lol  I love the direction that these chapters are going.  Conan is out and Ai has the starring role.  It's been too long!  I thank you Gosho-sama for putting Ai in the detective role as opposed to the babysitting of the DBs while Conan does all the work!!
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Abs. wrote: Conclusive evidence that Kid is
Spoiler:
Nakamori, and not Jirokichi?  Read my post above re: frequencies that you lose the ability to hear with age.  Nakamori was able to hear it (and explain it to the kids), which in reality he shouldn't have (he's old).  In reality, the only ones that should have been able to hear it are Kid himself, and Conan+DB who he had manipulated into being there.  Notice that no one else mentions having heard the sounds.  That's what Ran and Sonoko heard.  The sound of the power being cut to each of the pedestals.

Also, EVERY SINGLE TIME the someone's on the verge of revealing some critical information, he interrupts them.

- "...the electrical charge was still running through the pedestals…" "Yeah, that's why-" "HEY OLD MAN!"
even so... Haibara's hat still has the most votes  :P
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hakkaino7 wrote:
Abs. wrote: Conclusive evidence that Kid is
Spoiler:
Nakamori, and not Jirokichi?  Read my post above re: frequencies that you lose the ability to hear with age.  Nakamori was able to hear it (and explain it to the kids), which in reality he shouldn't have (he's old).  In reality, the only ones that should have been able to hear it are Kid himself, and Conan+DB who he had manipulated into being there.  Notice that no one else mentions having heard the sounds.  That's what Ran and Sonoko heard.  The sound of the power being cut to each of the pedestals.

Also, EVERY SINGLE TIME the someone's on the verge of revealing some critical information, he interrupts them.

- "...the electrical charge was still running through the pedestals…" "Yeah, that's why-" "HEY OLD MAN!"
even so... Haibara's hat still has the most votes  :P
Yeah, I not going to change my vote either.  Haibara's hat is still the best option in that poll.  ;D
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Finally Conan wakes up, he going to do Lie, Cheat and Steal strategy, maybe Kirin's horn is hidden by Conan before Kid can steal it, then he faking to be knock out by Kid.

Since Kid can disguise Kogoro (who is build bigger than him) and Ran and maid (who looks skinnier), don't be surprise if Kid disguised as Conan.

Before File 715 coming, let's relax and sing a song

If You're Happy And You Know It Steal The Horn. (Yay!)
If You're Happy And You Know It Steal The Horn. (Yay!)
If You're Happy And You Know It Then Your Face Will Surely Show It.
If You're Happy And You Know It Steal The Horn. (Yay!)

If You're Happy And You Know It Go To Sleep. (Yawn)
If You're Happy And You Know It Go To Sleep. (Yawn)
If You're Happy And You Know It Then Your Face Will Surely Show It.
If You're Happy And You Know It Go To Sleep. (Yawn)

If You're Happy And You Know It Solve The Case. (Case Closed!)
If You're Happy And You Know It Solve The Case. (Case Closed!)
If You're Happy And You Know It Then Your Face Will Surely Show It.
If You're Happy And You Know It Solve The Case. (Case Closed!)
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I just had a disturbing imagination where the BO are singing while dancing that song instead of the DB
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Conan 48:69 wrote: Finally Conan wakes up, he going to do Lie, Cheat and Steal strategy, maybe Kirin's horn is hidden by Conan before Kid can steal it, then he faking to be knock out by Kid.

Since Kid can disguise Kogoro (who is build bigger than him) and Ran and maid (who looks skinnier), don't be surprise if Kid disguised as Conan.

Before File 715 coming, let's relax and sing a song

If You're Happy And You Know It Steal The Horn. (Yay!)
If You're Happy And You Know It Steal The Horn. (Yay!)
If You're Happy And You Know It Then Your Face Will Surely Show It.
If You're Happy And You Know It Steal The Horn. (Yay!)

If You're Happy And You Know It Go To Sleep. (Yawn)
If You're Happy And You Know It Go To Sleep. (Yawn)
If You're Happy And You Know It Then Your Face Will Surely Show It.
If You're Happy And You Know It Go To Sleep. (Yawn)

If You're Happy And You Know It Solve The Case. (Case Closed!)
If You're Happy And You Know It Solve The Case. (Case Closed!)
If You're Happy And You Know It Then Your Face Will Surely Show It.
If You're Happy And You Know It Solve The Case. (Case Closed!)

hakkaino7 wrote: I just had a disturbing imagination where the BO are singing while dancing that song instead of the DB
I was dancing and singing that song! *not a BO spy at all*
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After this i deduced that:
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Conan is Kaito's disguise, The reason that Kaito make an enough for Child's play let's battle as adult is he want to test out if he can disguise as youngins, and he did. Conan is pervert, but he wont say something like that for sure, Also if remember in the Movie 8? The one with helicopter with Kudo and Kaito running the copter. He make a fun of Ran at her color of her underwear. And Kaito used to dat to MK at Aoko. And when u look at the shhh of Conan that was Kaito's shhh. hahaha and when u look at his glass it looks like Kaito's signature glass. He was referring to white underwears and http://www.onemanga.com/Detective_Conan/714/14/ The You're too loud that was just pure Kaito. But why is Conan's deducing? IF he is Kaito lol.
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