Files 743-752 Discussion Thread

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

Mysterious woman speaks English. I thought it was rather clear that she isn't Juno?

I'm not sure your argument makes sense. You are forgetting that mystery lady never spoke in her previous appearance. That only happened in file 747, so you couldn't use that info to rule out Juno before that info was available. It makes sense that Juno would speak English living in England. If you meant that she speaks Japanese, don't forget Minerva and Apollo glass speak Japanese and spent time in Japan, so it would make sense for the mother to speak Japanese as well if her kids can because she was probably in Japan with them.

but she seems to be giving of some kind of sinister vibe, especially at 747 pg 11. So maybe she's Vermouth... I just can't seem to find anything 'Yukiko' about her.

Yukiko's appearences when in disguise were always given a creepy look up until the reveal. I'm thinking of the train case (V22.4-7) and the early on case where Yukiko pretended to be Edogawa Fumio. (V5.10 - V6.1)

Why not? We don't know much about her. Only that she helped Hades, and then "blew herself up" when the police was about to find her. Maybe they found her because Hades gave her location up, and now she's decided to stop him. There's another thing. If Hestia is not with Hades, his modus operandi might not be bombing, anymore.

Usually you would assume that the accomplice wouldn’t turn traitor without motive. Gosho would give hints if this was the case because otherwise it would be jarringly unexpected. Hints may show up in the translation or the next file.

[DCreader]

Spoiler: Mysterious woman

Mysterious woman speaks English. I thought it was rather clear that she isn't Juno?

Spoiler: 747

I'm not sure your argument makes sense. You are forgetting that mystery lady never spoke in her previous appearance. That only happened in file 747, so you couldn't use that info to rule out Juno before that info was available. It makes sense that Juno would speak English living in England. If you meant that she speaks Japanese, don't forget Minerva and Apollo glass speak Japanese and spent time in Japan, so it would make sense for the mother to speak Japanese as well if her kids can because she was probably in Japan with them...Yukiko's appearences when in disguise were always given a creepy look up until the reveal. I'm thinking of the train case (V22.4-7) and the early on case where Yukiko pretended to be Edogawa Fumio. (V5.10 - V6.1)

Spoiler: response to Chekhov

I actually replied to your post regarding Mrs Glass = Lady in shades earlier on (refer post #745). Maybe i didn't structure my sentence properly. 1st sentence: Random fact. 2nd sentence: Reply to you.  Also, it's not revealed in 747 that she speaks Japanese. Only English. But maybe she can speak jap, given that she looks pretty much jap (judging a book by its cover here =X). You have a point about Yukiko's disguises. I'll read those again. 

"Long-nosed wizard/witch in a castle" =

Spoiler:

A place in London called Elephant and Castle (wth right).

"Two swords piercing white back" =

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Shop called 'Meissen Porcelain', which has a logo of two crossed swords under its bowls. (the way shinichi realized it is really ridiculous)

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

"Long-nosed wizard/witch in a castle" =

Spoiler:

A place in London called Elephant and Castle (wth right).

"That's right, I should order a celebratory cake" =
St. Bride's Church is the placement of the last clue: the "S" of parchment with "A Scandal in Bohemia" written on it.
The steeple doesn't really register as being cake-like in my mind...

       

Yes, it makes sense, but I usually don't think of elephants as wizards.

The placement of the 6 locations doesn't make any obvious shape... It looks kind of like a sideways tennis racket, but... meh. I'll look some more tomorrow.

[RedPoppy]

Spoiler: 747

I'm not sure your argument makes sense. You are forgetting that mystery lady never spoke in her previous appearance. That only happened in file 747, so you couldn't use that info to rule out Juno before that info was available. It makes sense that Juno would speak English living in England. If you meant that she speaks Japanese, don't forget Minerva and Apollo glass speak Japanese and spent time in Japan, so it would make sense for the mother to speak Japanese as well if her kids can because she was probably in Japan with them.

Spoiler: Juno and Japanese

Mother Glass (Juno) was in Japan with her kids, because she had there a surgery on her eyes, as I remember. Don't why how long they lived there since Minerva and Apollo are so fluent in Japanese. Juno didn't speak Japanese in file 747, so it's not that obvious she learned Japanese at all. She just recognized Apollo's voice, she didn't even react when Apollo's talked to Ran and Kogoro. If she understands them, she would probably introduce herself to his son's friends in Japanese, but she didn't do anything, just told Apollo to go back to the hotel.

Spoiler: Mysterious Lady

The mysterious lady can't be:
-Shiho - the antidote's effect won't last that long
-Juno - we saw her and she's really blind, but the mysterious woman isn't

Hestia isn't that good option either, because now we know that the mysterious lady knows Japanese - she heard the gang's conversation and gave them the hint, then she listened carefully to the conversation between Ran and Shinichi. It looks like as if she's checking them. Of course, Hestia may know Japanese as well as Hades. But I guess Yukiko is more probable - maybe she came with Yusaku, they found the code too and now Yusaku sent Yukiko to check Shinichi's investigation.

Spoiler: The riddle

For me "Elephant and Castle and that porcelain boutique are ridiculous too...  In file 746 it looked more sensible than in 747. What's for sure - Saturn must be the answer for the riddle (unless Hades put some fake hints in other places, so then "Saturn" would be a bad answer), but Shinichi interprete it in the wrong way, or maybe it's really about the date, but "Saturn" contains more information about the murder.

What's funny - it really looks like the code was meant for Glass family who like Holmes so much. On the other hand, I really don't know why the Glass family would be a target for "the final revenge".
Now I'm back with Hades' words : "Murdered, a person will be. Somewhere in London. Right before your eyes. Tell Scotland Yard, This is my Revelations. If it doesn't make sense, ask Holmes".
So maybe the murder will be tomorrow, during the tennis match?? I don't know. This case is more and more complicated...

[ShiraKiryuu]

Spoiler: Mysterious Lady

The mysterious lady can't be:
-Shiho - the antidote's effect won't last that long

Spoiler:

If it's the first time taking the antidote, won't it last for about 24 hours like when Shinichi first took it?

[baka1412]

Spoiler: Mysterious Lady

The mysterious lady can't be:
-Shiho - the antidote's effect won't last that long

Spoiler:

If it's the first time taking the antidote, won't it last for about 24 hours like when Shinichi first took it?

And she could really use a better disguise... If it's really her, then I really didn't recognize her

[Dashin]

Now that I think of it. Don't you think there's a chance that the reason the "mystery woman" could have seen Conan getting into the booth and coming out as Shinichi? She was there, after all.

[caribou]

"That's right, I should order a celebratory cake" =

Spoiler: cake

St. Bride's Church is the placement of the last clue: the "S" of parchment with "A Scandal in Bohemia" written on it.
The steeple doesn't really register as being cake-like in my mind...

Spoiler: wizards

       

Yes, it makes sense, but I usually don't think of elephants as wizards.


The placement of the 6 locations doesn't make any obvious shape... It looks kind of like a sideways tennis racket, but... meh. I'll look some more tomorrow.

Spoiler:

ahah that's funny. I googled "london structure looks like a cake" literally and one of the results was that church. apparently it has the reputation of a Wedding Cake Church because the spire was an inspiration for the tiered wedding cake design... i didn't think it looked much like a cake either but when I wiki'd it the picture of the tiers does look a lot more like a cake.

the elephant in the castle is really funny. xD would never have thought of that!

Saturn is also = Satan (isn't this also related to the Book of Revelations), whose symbol is the 6-pointed star. do all the locations form a star? maybe the location of the bombing/killing would be in the center of the star..

[Kouen-Nagai]

I can't wait to see this episode in the anime  ;D, the whole story now's pretty strange  e.g. why would a woman invite total strangers to her home. But i guess Shinichi will have much trouble now either the drugs setts off and and ran will know his secret identity or the drugs miraculously stays effective the whole week which means lovey dovey between those two or the drugs sets of but before shin tells ran the same crap as before and shows up as conan again, oh and about the way back if the drugs whores of the most simple way to return is to call Jodie cause the fbi is ablee to make fake/real ids or passports since the witness protection programm so Edogawa Conan is no longer a "no need to know"

[James Rye]

Hm, the latest file was interesting:

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First Shinichi got back to Conan (it´s true that he ahd much less time using his second antidote then from before) and then the mysterious Lady helped Ran and Kogoro with their Holmes case. Plus we´ll see the blind mum of the kid and the Minerva.
And the man who´s behind those hints seems interested in that *Holmes apprentice*.
I give it two more chapters before they capture the bad guy and another 9-12 chapters till the whole new arc is closed. There´s still the issue about the mysterious woman and how Shinichi can come back to Japan as Conan.

[DCreader]

Hm, the latest file was interesting:

Spoiler:

And the man who´s behind those hints seems interested in that *Holmes apprentice*.

Spoiler: sinister man

That smile really really gave me the creeps. *shivers*

[James Rye]

Hm, the latest file was interesting:

Spoiler:

And the man who´s behind those hints seems interested in that *Holmes apprentice*.

Spoiler: sinister man

That smile really really gave me the creeps. *shivers*

Come on it was such a nice smile, how can it gave creeps? We have seen it for like 700 times by now.^g^

Gosho really needs to give his bad guys some other smiles. XD

[Akonyl]

I was disappointed in how long conan stayed as shinichi. D:

also, this sorta solidifies hte mystery woman being glass's mother to me, though if that's the case then I like how she listens to their deductions, and then claims "oh look I solved your riddle and here you are!," unless of course she actually did and was just helping out the group.

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

I was disappointed in how long conan stayed as shinichi. D:

also, this sorta solidifies hte mystery woman being glass's mother to me, though if that's the case then I like how she listens to their deductions, and then claims "oh look I solved your riddle and here you are!," unless of course she actually did and was just helping out the group.

Mystery lady can't be mama Glass; Apollo and Minerva's mom, Juno Glass, showed up at the end of the chapter. I doubt she would disguise herself. Additionally, mystery lady picked up an envelope and knew there was a title of a Sherlock Holmes story written on the envelopes found around the church. A blind woman couldn't do that so easily.

[DaisukeKazamatsuri]

Spoiler:

I was kinda disappointed (though I laughed anyway) when Shinichi turned back to Conan.  It was even more unsatisfying than the other encounters with such minimal contact between him and Ran.  But about the 'Saturn' thing...wasn't there another A?  Maybe they have the wrong word.  We could be drawing conclusions from something that may not be right.