Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 825-827 "Tennis Mee

[Stopwatch]

XD, though it seems like it could be either Jugo or Yamamura . I kinda want both of them fighting over jurisdiction, while Yamamura accuses Conan and Jugo pisses Conan off to the extent that, with his mild concussion messing up his thoughts a bit, he solves the case just to be free of them XD.

[ShinRan4ver]

As I explained in my post on last page this location should be under jurisdiction of Yamamura as he appeared last time they went to this tennis court(EP331-332), although Gosho could pull Sango(Jugo is the young brother who hate Mouri) out just because Yamamura dominated all the recent out of MPD jurisdiction cases(the last Sango Yokomizo case was Eri's Birthday(EP589), last Jugo case was Steam Lock Room( 597), all outside MPD jurisdiction case since Steam Lock Room(EP 597-598) have been all Yamamura->Kappa(600),Demon Dog(610) & Cabin Trap, so if Yamamura shows up here it make him 4 for 4 in outside of MPD jurisdiction cases, which I think is a streak we never seen since the Sango= everything outside of Tokyo days.

[no one]

will Amuro solve this case before Conan?? that will be interesting 
about the case:Judging by the location of the injury (the back of the head) I don't think it could have been done by the vase simply falling on the victim unless it was somehow thrown with power enough to hit him there. therefore I think the murderer was in the room when he killed the victim..the crime might have occurred when he put Conan there since he is probably the one who transported him.But how did he lock the room? or how did he kill him from the outside??
I don't know what to say next, any ideas?? 

[no one]

This might be right but how?? besides conan wasn't awake when the murder occurred
may be the cilprit assumed that Conan will scream so everyone will hurry and open the door thus destroying an important clue?? I think that is what you will expect from a 7 years old kid 

[rrizqiw]

So, this is gonna be a Yokomizo Jugo case?

XD, though it seems like it could be either Jugo or Yamamura . I kinda want both of them fighting over jurisdiction, while Yamamura accuses Conan and Jugo pisses Conan off to the extent that, with his mild concussion messing up his thoughts a bit, he solves the case just to be free of them XD.

it's in gunma (it same tennis court as grandpa curry case) so  Yamamura

[sonoci]

what if the culprit relied on Conan being there for his trick to work? that somehow, if two people were in the room it could create the illusion of a locked room? thats my guess.

I, too, think that Conan is vital to this plan. So far, though it could work with any of the suspects (except maybe the black haired woman, as she's afraid of heights)

Here's an outline of my theory:

Spoiler:

I've pretty much decided to exclude the black haired woman because of her fear of heights which was established before this case, and the verandas are important in what I think happened. Now, depending of who it was, there could have been three things that happened: 1) if it were the other woman (the one with the braids), she purposefully hit Conan in the head to later set up for the trick 2) it could still be the woman, but she did indeed hit him by accident. Only after he was hit did she decide to use him in the plan. Or 3) it was the guy and (like 2) he decided to use Conan after the accident occurred.

Sonoko said that Conan went up with the victim to his room because the air-conditioner wasn't working in the living room. It's not that far a guess to assume that the murderer might have told him it wasn't working and that the victim's room had better air-conditioning.

I'm not sure who Uriu is, but by the context of the conversation, I'm guessing he was a kid that might have been in a similar situation to Conan's (although probably a bit more serious). Obviously this Uriu is likely to be involved in the motive. I kind of get the feeling that the light-haired woman also hit Uriu by accident and the victim wouldn't get off her case about it (and then when she hit Conan, he did the same thing). I'm not positive on this part though. It's just some speculation

The ice cream cake seems to be a pretty important clue, what with the air-conditioning and how hot it was by the time Conan woke up. My guess is that the murderer came to the victim's room to talk and it escalated into an argument. That or the murderer was relatively calm but had planned it all and thus killed him anyway. However, there was a problem: the ice cream cake. He hadn't eaten it and thus it wouldn't fit with the fact he said that he was going up to do just that. To cover it up, the murderer turned down/off the air-conditioner, likely hoping that the conclusion made was that the cake melted before the victim could eat it.

Now's the tricky part with Conan. This is where I'm most suspicious of the light-haired woman, because of one factor about her. I'd say that in some way Conan was knocked out/put to sleep. The guess I'm most comfortable with is that he was given something to drink that was drugged - and that's why I'm thinking it was the light-haired woman. She's got a water bottle on page 13. It's not a bad assumption that if Conan was hot in the living room he would have appreciated a drink. If he were soundly asleep, due to his size he'd be easy to carry. I don't think it'd be impossible for the woman to put him in a backpack, climb across verandas, put Conan in the bed, set up some sort of "make a loud noise" trick, and then sneak back. That would create the illusion of a locked room, especially with Conan being in there. She would rely on his word that other than the loud noise, he didn't hear anything. The time of the murder would be thrown off by the trick, and the ice cream cake evidence would be overlooked because of the turned off air-conditioning.

As for actual evidence, I look towards the missing sandal. Something tells me it's going to turn up somewhere that the murderer didn't expect and point to her as the culprit.


...Don't take all of this too seriously, though. Obviously we only have one file right now.

I'm pretty confident on at least a few aspects, but obviously this is only speculation and can easily fall through come new files and new evidence. I'm very open to any branching off theories or holes anyone can find.

[Borealis]

"What part of any of that is 'dere'?"

Well, Ai´s a good tsundere so you gotta earn the dere, she won´t just give it to you for ya pleasure, you know? For example, starting to tell her that there might be problems ahead or letting her into the emergency plan before would earn you some brownie points. Letting her believe everything´s fine and then be shocked to death by Vermouth´s SMS *Yo, Sherry. You gonna die. lol* and then meeting the guy she believes is BO-agent himself WON`T get you dere. More like a b-slap, but you were lucky this time, Conan. XDDD

^+100000 XD

A question: Many say that Conan was "transported" into the second room but as far as I understood it, Conan said he wanted to change rooms and went with the future victim. Am I remembering it wrong?

[sonoci]

A question: Many say that Conan was "transported" into the second room but as far as I understood it, Conan said he wanted to change rooms and went with the future victim. Am I remembering it wrong?

I'm pretty sure what people meant was that there was a "transportation" between the victim's room and somewhere else (that's not the living room). Conan going upstairs normally is pretty much a certain fact, however exactly how he ended up in the victim's room...

I explained what I think better in my theory in my last post, so :v

[Sake]

Careful, you are sliding into the sstimsonese territory

Pffftttttt.... (big laughter just exploded in my head) 

I found that 5 new characters had a word with fruits in their surname. Momozuno is peach, Umejima is plum, Ishiguri is chestnut, Takanashi is pear, Uriu is melon. Maybe there is a hint about fruits to point out which of the 3 suspects is a culprit.

Yup, I noticed the naming pattern as well. I'm sure it will have something to do with the crime-solving later on
A bit too obvious to ignore...

Anyway, does anyone share a weird feeling like me about Amuro in this case? Idk, when he wanted to open the lock, Sonoko's word struck me odd. KAITO KID? There's still a possibility that he's another one of his disguise, though I must admit that there's no reason for him to do so. Well, probably just my own feeling hahaha  

Oh but please just ignore that thought, otherwise it would probably lead into an unpleasant discussion filled with persistent assumptions 

[CoolKid94]

Here's my crackpot theory of what might happen:
1. Yamamura comes; accuses Conan of the crime b/c at first glance (which is what Yama-san looks at), it looks like Conan is the only suspect. He suspects Conan of being superhuman, which allowed the crime to be committed.
2. Conan goes off on him. He gives him plenty of evidence saying how he couldn't be the culprit, including lack of motive, lack of strength, etc., which stuns the adults when he falls out of his 'little kid' persona. He then points out a key piece of evidence which advances the case.
3. Ran notices Conan's adult behavior (again!) and gets suspicious. Amuro also notices, leading into the 3rd hundred files of the Bourbon arc.

Yeah, it's just a theory. Don't kill me for it; it's not supposed to be serious. 

[sushimaster]

I don't get it why some pp mentioned about Conan being carried upstairs. Didn't Sonoko tell Ran that Conan went upstairs by himself?

[HADAA]

I found that 5 new characters had a word with fruits in their surname. Momozono is peach, Umejima is plum, Ishiguri is chestnut, Takanashi is pear, Uriu is melon. Maybe there is a hint about fruits to point out which of the 3 suspects is a culprit.

While this is a good find, unless our victim left a clue hinting fruits, I doubt it will have any relevance to this case other than Gosho's playful naming idea. In fact there is another common factor in their first names: Kotone is kooto, or court. Machi is macchi, or match. Saburou is saabu, or serve. Noboru is booru, or ball. This tennis theme might be more or less relevant, but I doubt it.

[sonoci]

I don't get it why some pp mentioned about Conan being carried upstairs. Didn't Sonoko tell Ran that Conan went upstairs by himself?

I actually haven't seen any of the comments claiming that, only the ones saying they were confused about said comments

...Unless somehow mine is in there. Which would be unfortunate as I don't think he was carried and am in fact very aware he went up by himself :x

[skyechan]

I have no theories, just observations about the body.

He's on top of a tennis racket, missing a slipper, and is facing upwards towards the ceiling with a wound on the upper left of his head.

Questions that arise:
1) Was the culprit present when the victim was hit?
2) If the culprit was not, how did they set up the vase so it would hit him and have him fall facing away from the bookshelf?
3) Why is the victim's arm across his chest? I'd imagine if you were hit in the head and killed instantly the odds of your arm going across your chest in that manner are slim, and we know that the slight opening of the door couldn't have caused an arm lying by the victim's side to magically go to his chest instead.
4) Why is there a tennis racket underneath the victim?
5) Why is a slipper missing?

Other things (just listed for reference, don't necessarily have anything to do with the solution):

Kotone Momozono

• House belongs to her
• Described as getting sweaty/clammy palms easily
• Appears to be right-handed

Machi Umejima

• Described by Noboru Takanashi as being afraid of heights.

Saburou Ishiguri

• Probably murdered because of what happened in the past to Uriu
• "Bad sense of humor"

Noboru Takanashi

• Suggests Ishiguri might've had something to do with Uriu's death

Other

• The group got together to celebrate their deceased friend Uriu's birthday
• The group has jumped the gap between the verandas before. This likely has something to do with how they discovered what happened to Uriu.
• A friend named "Uriu" likely committed suicide most likely because of something Ishiguri did. (Posted an embarrassing video on the net maybe?)
• The air conditioning wasn't working in the living room...and now it's not working in the room the body was found in either.

[sonoci]

Something I noticed:

Spoiler:

EDIT: nevermind, figured it out