Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 921-924

[Conny]

Well, we don't know if he is technically a "genius", but we know he was highly educated by his parents, who has "trained" him in varius and different things: music, novels, mystery; we know Yusaku teached him how to shot... that kind of stuffs. Of course, Shinichi is way too young in this file, but i think is implied that he can read. It's no so surprising to me, honestly. Is typicall Shinichi. Kinda boring, cause i also wanted to see a more childish Shinichi, but its him after all.

Anyway, i like this diferent perspectives, if im not wrong, is the first time we see a whole story narrated in this way so it's ok to me. I wonder if there will be any more files continuing this story, cause it seems like a case or a mystery may appear, but with only one more file i don't think we'll see such a development.

[sleepy]

I've just been able to read translations of 921 and 922 and I've changed my mind. It's a cute story so far, better than I thought. I haven't had the time to look at the new chapter but judging from your comments, I might end up liking this 'case' very much.
The "everyone-is-looking-up-at-him-in-awe*-scene doesn't seem so bad anymore.
Of course, Shinichi is a special snowflake but I can live with that.

[TanteiSa]

Shinichi the eternal problem solver and it's portrayed awfully too : the panel with the kids looking up at Shinichi-sama has got to be one of the most idiotic panels in the history of this series.
tl;dr : Awful gimmicks for both characters. Cliché, cliché and more cliché.

I agree. I've always hated how Shinichi was a smart looked-up-to detective toddler! Doesn't make much sense. A kid should have more fun. A kid wouldn't think in such a complicated manner. A kid shouldn't even be able to speak this properly!!!

[DCUniverseAficionado]

Shinichi the eternal problem solver and it's portrayed awfully too : the panel with the kids looking up at Shinichi-sama has got to be one of the most idiotic panels in the history of this series.
tl;dr : Awful gimmicks for both characters. Cliché, cliché and more cliché.

I agree. I've always hated how Shinichi was a smart looked-up-to detective toddler! Doesn't make much sense. A kid should have more fun. A kid wouldn't think in such a complicated manner. A kid shouldn't even be able to speak this properly!!!

Spoiler:

I think judgment should be withheld until Shinichi's POV is translated—the expressions on his face during File 923 were very interesting for me to see.

As has been discussed, there are those who are prodigies, as well as those who can learn to do things more quickly than others—this is why Shinichi acts this way—there are kids like this... they just aren't very common.

Spoiler:

Shinichi isn't really solving a case, here—it looks like his first ever deduction. The actions he undertakes are ones of kindness towards Ran—his vehement declaration that there's no way he isn't going to play with Ran shows his passion, which I found to be in line with his age.

Also, if you were four years old, and you were consciously aware of someone your age talking like Shinichi was, odds are you would be amazed. Nevertheless, I get where your coming from—your suspension of disbelief simply couldn't be maintained as you read through that scene. I get the cliché of Shinichi being smarter than everyone else in his age group, but that's simply not enough for me to dislike this story, let alone call the panel in question "one of the most idiotic in the series."

Finally, Shinichi is having fun—his ways of doing so simply include being a detective and deducing things.

[TanteiSa]

Spoiler:

I think judgment should be withheld until Shinichi's POV is translated—the expressions on his face during File 923 were very interesting for me to see.

As has been discussed, there are those who are prodigies, as well as those who can learn to do things more quickly than others—this is why Shinichi acts this way—there are kids like this... they just aren't very common.

Spoiler:

Shinichi isn't really solving a case, here—it looks like his first ever deduction. The actions he undertakes are ones of kindness towards Ran—his vehement declaration that there's no way he isn't going to play with Ran shows his passion, which I found to be in line with his age.

Also, if you were four years old, and you were consciously aware of someone your age talking like Shinichi was, odds are you would be amazed. Nevertheless, I get where your coming from—your suspension of disbelief simply couldn't be maintained as you read through that scene. I get the cliché of Shinichi being smarter than everyone else in his age group, but that's simply not enough for me to dislike this story, let alone call the panel in question "one of the most idiotic in the series."

Finally, Shinichi is having fun—his ways of doing so simply include being a detective and deducing things.

I know there are prodigies, but I never took Shinichi for one tbh. I always took him for someone who was interested in things like science and murder cases, smart, and who's well educated.

Even if he was a prodigy, I don't think kids his age would be that serious. He's too serious.
And for me, 921+922 aren't the files I'm talking about. I'm talking about Shinichi's childhood adventure (files 570-573). I don't think a child can be this serious and smart and snobby. Every child wants friends. And it felt like Shinichi thought himself better than Ran.

Shinichi might have been having fun as a kid when he deduced and played detective. But what bothers me is that even serious kids (as serious as a kid can be) love to play those stupid children games with the people their age. Shinichi was depicted as a kid who thinks playing hide and seek and the like is idiotic. And THAT is idiotic. I'm 19 years old, smart, and I would play hide and seek if I had the chance.

Maybe that's the good thing about Shinichi turning into Conan, he's finally being forced (by the detective boys) to have a real childhood :p

I of course still love the series, but I felt that kid-Shinichi isn't realistic. Of course you have a point in what you've said, but I still don't like how shinichi's character as a kid was written.

[Serinox]

Every child wants friends. And it felt like Shinichi thought himself better than Ran.

Shinichi might have been having fun as a kid when he deduced and played detective. But what bothers me is that even serious kids (as serious as a kid can be) love to play those stupid children games with the people their age. Shinichi was depicted as a kid who thinks playing hide and seek and the like is idiotic. And THAT is idiotic. I'm 19 years old, smart, and I would play hide and seek if I had the chance.

Shinichi had friends during Childhood Adventure. In fact, these "friends" caused the temporary rift between Ran and Shinichi. And I certainly didn't feel like Shinichi felt himself better than Ran, I felt that mostly wanted to impress her.

Just because Shinichi doesn't like to play Hide and Seek, doesn't mean that he hated fun/stupid little games as a child. I hated Hide and Seek when I was in elementary school and I still hate it today, because it's just so boring. But guess what: not only is every child different, but children also have more than one stupid game. Maybe Shin really liked to play Tag for all we know.

And we never get anything that indicates Shinichi didn't have a "real" childhood.

[kkuuddoo]

I think shinichi upbringing was the reason why he liked to play detective, maybe his father is always serious when writing a story and he learned to be serious, and the face he made after impressing the kids in his class was a face of a child who was happy with what he did. I don't think shinichi is as normal as the others, but I still think that upbringing causes a person to act the way they do, everybody is different, and I like the story that way.

I as a Kid also disliked hide and seek, because its boring as you said, the reason I think its boring, is because it keeps going the same, you either hide or count. I usually be myself, being the oldest in my class, and being medically less intelligent then others, and I had to take first grade again because of that, and that made me very lonely.

I liked playing with blocks, legos and all the things that I can build a whole toy city with, I was very creative and always loved to play alone because I got used to kids avoiding playing with me who is older then them. I always impressed my teacher and parents and I liked to feel important, and got very jealous if someone was better then I was, especially the people who were as old as me but were in higher grades.

[David mason]

Spoiler:

I think judgment should be withheld until Shinichi's POV is translated—the expressions on his face during File 923 were very interesting for me to see.

As has been discussed, there are those who are prodigies, as well as those who can learn to do things more quickly than others—this is why Shinichi acts this way—there are kids like this... they just aren't very common.

Spoiler:

Shinichi isn't really solving a case, here—it looks like his first ever deduction. The actions he undertakes are ones of kindness towards Ran—his vehement declaration that there's no way he isn't going to play with Ran shows his passion, which I found to be in line with his age.

Also, if you were four years old, and you were consciously aware of someone your age talking like Shinichi was, odds are you would be amazed. Nevertheless, I get where your coming from—your suspension of disbelief simply couldn't be maintained as you read through that scene. I get the cliché of Shinichi being smarter than everyone else in his age group, but that's simply not enough for me to dislike this story, let alone call the panel in question "one of the most idiotic in the series."

Finally, Shinichi is having fun—his ways of doing so simply include being a detective and deducing things.

I know there are prodigies, but I never took Shinichi for one tbh. I always took him for someone who was interested in things like science and murder cases, smart, and who's well educated.

Even if he was a prodigy, I don't think kids his age would be that serious. He's too serious.
And for me, 921+922 aren't the files I'm talking about. I'm talking about Shinichi's childhood adventure (files 570-573). I don't think a child can be this serious and smart and snobby. Every child wants friends. And it felt like Shinichi thought himself better than Ran.

Shinichi might have been having fun as a kid when he deduced and played detective. But what bothers me is that even serious kids (as serious as a kid can be) love to play those stupid children games with the people their age. Shinichi was depicted as a kid who thinks playing hide and seek and the like is idiotic. And THAT is idiotic. I'm 19 years old, smart, and I would play hide and seek if I had the chance.

Maybe that's the good thing about Shinichi turning into Conan, he's finally being forced (by the detective boys) to have a real childhood :p

I of course still love the series, but I felt that kid-Shinichi isn't realistic. Of course you have a point in what you've said, but I still don't like how shinichi's character as a kid was written.

I agree, generally speaking children become self-aware and start to reason at the age of 7, I've heard of few exceptions like at the late age of 6 but still

[DCUniverseAficionado]

I know there are prodigies, but I never took Shinichi for one tbh. I always took him for someone who was interested in things like science and murder cases, smart, and who's well educated.

Even if he was a prodigy, I don't think kids his age would be that serious. He's too serious.
And for me, 921+922 aren't the files I'm talking about. I'm talking about Shinichi's childhood adventure (files 570-573). I don't think a child can be this serious and smart and snobby. Every child wants friends. And it felt like Shinichi thought himself better than Ran.

Shinichi might have been having fun as a kid when he deduced and played detective. But what bothers me is that even serious kids (as serious as a kid can be) love to play those stupid children games with the people their age. Shinichi was depicted as a kid who thinks playing hide and seek and the like is idiotic. And THAT is idiotic.

Maybe that's the good thing about Shinichi turning into Conan, he's finally being forced (by the detective boys) to have a real childhood :p

I of course still love the series, but I felt that kid-Shinichi isn't realistic. Of course you have a point in what you've said, but I still don't like how shinichi's character as a kid was written.

Shinichi's prime flaw is his arrogance—he can come off thinking he's better than everybody, not just Ran. He has to have really good inherent learning and memorization skills to possess all the knowledge he has in the series—and a good education certainly helps with that.

The thing about people claiming both Shinichi and Ran don't have many friends/have no friends other than each other and Sonoko is that we rarely see Shinichi's and Ran's other classmates—both in elementary and high school. Their other friends simply don't have page/screen time.

He's the outlier—the odd one out. His pride is an issue, too, hence why he is so embarrassed to do anything that would lead others to make fun of him—confessing his love to Ran, asking for help, playing hide and seek, etc.

I have no problem with you finding fault with this—I definitely understand where you're coming from.

Spoiler:

I still found his actions in this current story towards Ran very touching, though. For all of Shinichi's faults, he is quite noble and moral... the exceptions to this—his blind spots, if you will—are subject for another discussion.

I'm 19 years old, smart, and I would play hide and seek if I had the chance.

And you know what? That is amazing. I applaud your attitude. I think some humans often get caught up—too often—in ostracizing others because they think others doing different things are "weird" or "stupid."

[Kor]

Read the first two files with translation, so I'm gonna repost what I wrote in the cbox.

I still maintain that some of these kids are the stuff of horror stories.
If not for Shinichi and the possibility of some actual case going on, I wouldn't have much problems with these files. Sonoko is great in it too (besides that wife line thing, but whatever). But for Shinichi to actually come to the conclusion that there's a possibility the teacher intends to do something terrible to Ran... nope, can't buy it. It's too much.
I can understand why some people like these files, but to me, the whole thing seems off. And even though Shinichi is an asshole because he's trying to be cool, he's still coming off as an asshole regardless. Lastly, that panel in which everyone is amazed at Shinichi seems even more undeserved and stupid now that I know the content. So he figured out Ran was making a sakura, so bloody what? I don't understand why this is something kids would be awed by.

[Ars]

So I've read the translated 921 & 922. I definitely had a laugh at the absurdity of the kids being amazed by Conan's cherry blossom deduction. Other than that it's okay. Conan is a bit too similar to his older teenage self for my tastes, but I can overlook that.

One thing I do like is the teacher giving plausible reasons for his actions and putting Conan in his place a bit. Conan may be a genius, but he's in pre-school here. I wouldn't want him to be outsmarting his teacher at his age. Also I hope that the teacher doesn't somehow become a bad guy and thus prove Conan right. I don't think that's likely, but you never know.

[Kor]

Back to break and reprinted files.

Manga will return at "early summer" (whatever that means)
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/20 ... mer/.88780

c6251555 provided a summary for the case in the cbox:

(note: didn't fix typos and such. this is copy and paste from the cbox)

Spoiler:

so, shin thinks the the teacher is suspicious, and he tells his parents that night. Yukiko teased him and said he is jealous that the teacher is favoring Ran. Yuusucker thinks so too but decides that since favoritism is not good, he will go investigate.
the next day, when they take a walk to the park, Yuusucker follows the children. some suspicious person gives the camera to the teacher's wife.
then the next day, it is raining and there is a black truck parked outside the preschool. The female teachers think it is suspicious and decides to call the police, but Ran and Shin's teacher runs outside and yells toward the truck:
when the teacher yells "don't do such thing", Yuusucker opens the truck door and comes out.
the owner of the car-the wife's younger brother, is arrested by the police. Taking the children to cross the street is to allow the brother in law to be able to recognize Ran. Allowing Ran to play the slide first is so that his wife can see Ran. Placing Ran closest to outside during nap time is so that it is easier to kidnap her since she's closer to the door.
Ran wets her bed is because of the sleeping pill. Favoring Ran is so that the other kids will get jealous and bully her, then tells the Mouri parents that Ran is bad so that she gets criticized by her parents for no reason, thereby making her less trusting of her parents and more so of the teacher.
The reason why the teacher and hus wife wants to kidnap a child is becuz their own daughter ran away. They wish to go back to the time when their daughter was the cutest, to redevelop the bond. Yuusucker remembers that at his autograph booth, the lady he met is the daughter who had ran away. The teacher's wife is reunited with her daughter, and convinced by some related ppl (idk what that means..), the teacher decides to turn hinself in.
so, every kid is crying except Ran who is holding back her tears. Then Shin tells her that it is still better to cry when one wants to and promises that he won't call Ran a crybaby anymore.
so right after Shin's telling Ran that she can cry, the flashback ends and returns to the present. Sonoko praises Shin for being able to express such a wise truth as a four year old. Sera agrees, "exactly!"
Sera deducted that it was a love at first sight for Shin (towards Ran), to which Ran says impossible and Sonoko says Shin's first love must be his mother, the famous actress Yukiko!

[unclesporkums]

Spoiler:

To be honest, that's what I expected the reason behind the teacher's motivation, only I believed that the daughter was dead. I don't really have any interest in reading it.

[Kor]

Updated my earlier post with a summary of the last part of the case.

Again, credit goes to c6251555 from the cbox

[David mason]

Spoiler:

so as expected there was a real case going on after all. I never really cared about shin/ran stories anyway for the most part. Just glad we're moving on