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since a translation in full is not yet ready. (Of course making the usual assumptions about Okiya=Akai etc.)
- Who contacted Vermouth?
- Is this all about protecting Conan and Ran? (Amuro protected Ran during the crash and tried to save Conan by crashing into the car.)
- If yes, is Vermouth totally unaware of Akai being there?
- And why is Sera that obsessive about saving Conan? Only because of his connection to Akai?
Again! The file supposed to be released next Wednesday, right???!!! I'm always wondering why and how the Chinese got new file so early!!!! May be...
Spoiler:
Gosho as well as the other authors have to send the file to the publisher 1 week before the magazine is released. So once the member of the publisher got the file, he/she will take some photos of it for spoilers, as well as scan it and send to the Chinese :-? So every week the Chinese get the next week's file? The hotter the file is, the sooner they get it??
And here, my questions after reading Chinese 800:
Spoiler:
- What is Okiya trying to do???!
- Did Amuro speed up only to catch up with the robber's car or to prevent Okiya from doing what-he-wants-to-do also??
- Amuro and Okiya DID notice each other, and Okiya seems to be something bothered Amuro. So I think maybe the one Amuro referred to in "why here?" seems to be Okiya (in case he knew who Okiya is)
- In the image in which Okiya put on his earphone and mic, the scan is not very in good-quality so I don't know if Amuro is glaring at Okiya or not.
- Haibara's phone seems to be a smartphone :-? And Ran is hot =))
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Vermount's line is about Bourbon earned "their" trust. This applies all three character that could be Bourbon, it will be interesting to figure out who it is:
Amuro: using his car to stop the culprit and protected Ran from the crush: this the most likely because it is a lot easier to get Ran and Kogroro's trust. Also he is the only one that answered a real phone and Sera/Okiya seem to be listening to a bug.
Sera: she saved Conan with the uber Motorcycle move, although I doubt this made conan any less suspicious since he don't trust mysterious people that fast, and Sera was least likely to be Bourbon to begin with, since the Akai sister connection.
Okiya: he comes out least likely since the only thing he attempted to do he stopped halfway before he realized Amuro is there, so you could argue he didn't do much to earn anyone's trust.
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okiya is bourbon and linked to vermouth with the promise to protect conan and AI so its why he live in kudo's home conan knew about it
random theory
Spoiler:
the part with Sera being related to Conan crossed my mind too, but she is probably not his sister, they are the same age. Maybe his cousin, and thus Yusaku would have a brother or a sister not mentioned until now
Spoiler:
also about what vermouth says on the phone, if what she mentioned is a promise to keep Ran and maybe Conan safe, then The one who is Bourbon is among the suspects who exited the car so vermouth can see him/her from the bridge. Following the line, Okiya is excluded since he didn't get out of the car and Vermouth couldn't see him from the bridge.
So the remaining suspects are Sera who used the uber motorcycle stunt to help Conan and Amuro who was standing near Ran and was easily spotted( just like Sera)
*off to take a look at the chinese raws*
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People, put your damned spoilers in spoiler tags. If it wasn't in a previous chapter, then it's a spoiler. Its significance to the case or plot as a whole doesn't matter.
Aly_united wrote:
GinRei wrote:
However, the most important factor from the spoiler images is...
Spoiler:
Vermouth uses an iPhone now.
Spoiler:
Also Haibara
Spoiler:
She's been using one since at least the "Bach Charade" case back in chapter 728.
omg How Amuro hugging Ran to protect her ... really cuteee >>>
Spoiler:
the Sera Conan hug is even cuter than that. Also her eyes are teary. A bit much for a kid you got to know for a little while. It makes you wonder why since it should be Ran doing that.
*digs deeper into the "Sera is Conan/Shinichi's close relative or childhood aquintance" *
and something about cars
Spoiler:
1. it's funny how the third robber who probably wasn't wearing a seatbelt is OK after the car crash and Serina is KO after bumping against the airbag
2. I thought Okiya was driving his own car, not Agasa's beetle who was not working at the moment. Does Okiya actually have a Beetle as well?
This is a bit problematic now. Perhaps it's time to enforce "manga spoilers" out of the main discussion threads and instead have an "ULTIMATE SPOILERZ" thread where people can talk about whatever the hell they want without using spoiler tags. Then those who don't want to be spoiled about the upcoming manga files can be safe.
Aly_united wrote:
@shuu: there are stores in Japan that sell SS "illegally" before the official release of the issue.
the weekly magazines are printed up to 2 days before the release day so they can be in every shop that sells them in the evening before the release day. Clearly it's someone who has access to the magazine around this time that scanned the chapter and posted the images
Kor wrote:
This is a bit problematic now. Perhaps it's time to enforce "manga spoilers" out of the main discussion threads and instead have an "ULTIMATE SPOILERZ" thread where people can talk about whatever the hell they want without using spoiler tags. Then those who don't want to be spoiled about the upcoming manga files can be safe.
I understand, so that's why I'm using them thoroughly
Spoiler: don't open if you don't want to get spoiled
about the phone call, I just noticed that on page 15 panel 2 Okiya is calling someone, then on panel 4 and 5 both Amuro and Sera recieve a phone call. I think it's safe to assume Vermouth isn't calling Okiya, but most likely Amuro.
As for Amuro, I wonder how much he deduced after Okiya opened the door to probably shoot the tires of the car Conan was in. After Okiya opened the door while Amuro was just 10 feet behind them and closing in fast. It looks like he noticed Amuro's car as well.
Mr_Useless wrote:
The hair rising and shocking truth!!
Amuro: "Sup Rye"
Okiya: "Oh hi Bourbon, long time no see! How are things going with Gin?"
Amuro: "Oh, not too bad. I mean, he thinks I still hate you after that year we spent as roommates."
Okiya: "Well I couldn't help it, could I? It's not like I can cook anything other than cream stew."
Amuro: "I know, I know... By the way, why is your sister chasing you? I managed to make her lose us, but still..."
Okiya: "You know, that time I faked my death... I have to act as a student now, and I don't get much for my internship. So I... hmm... Kind of... Taken over her bank account!"
extra panel, Sera lost somewhere: "SHUUICHIIIII!!"
For those who may not get it (I don't blame you, it's a bit weird looking) Amuro and Bourbon are doing a secret handshake/highfive thing
FOR THEY ARE BROS
brb, shipping Okiya x Amuro for no reason whatsoever
Spoiler: comments on the Chinese file
SERA ON TOP OF THE CAR. DAT FACE
Also, awesome as it was, I really wonder why Sera hugged Conan and was as concerned as she was. I mean...she barely knows him, right?
My guess is in the earlier files when she was on the phone and we never saw her shirt, she was wearing a "Edogawa Conan's #1 Fan" shirt or something. Gosho just hid it.
Sly, Gosho. Sly
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chinese always the first in this stuff ..i don't know how they do it ..lol xD even before the file release in japan wow
i hope gin appears in next file
Mr_Useless wrote:
The hair rising and shocking truth!!
Amuro: "Sup Rye"
Okiya: "Oh hi Bourbon, long time no see! How are things going with Gin?"
Amuro: "Oh, not too bad. I mean, he thinks I still hate you after that year we spent as roommates."
Okiya: "Well I couldn't help it, could I? It's not like I can cook anything other than cream stew."
Amuro: "I know, I know... By the way, why is your sister chasing you? I managed to make her lose us, but still..."
Okiya: "You know, that time I faked my death... I have to act as a student now, and I don't get much for my internship. So I... hmm... Kind of... Taken over her bank account!"
extra panel, Sera lost somewhere: "SHUUICHIIIII!!"
For those who may not get it (I don't blame you, it's a bit weird looking) Amuro and Bourbon are doing a secret handshake/highfive thing
FOR THEY ARE BROS
brb, shipping Okiya x Amuro for no reason whatsoever
Spoiler: comments on the Chinese file
SERA ON TOP OF THE CAR. DAT FACE
Also, awesome as it was, I really wonder why Sera hugged Conan and was as concerned as she was. I mean...she barely knows him, right?
My guess is in the earlier files when she was on the phone and we never saw her shirt, she was wearing a "Edogawa Conan's #1 Fan" shirt or something. Gosho just hid it.
Sly, Gosho. Sly
*Regarding the 4koma* ...So much love. So much love. ♥♥♥
Inspired by Stopwatch...
Here is a brief summary of 800 who saw what.
Amuro saw Okiya, and he most likely knew Okiya was intending to shoot out the tires of the car. Why else would someone lean out an open car door while tailing a kidnapper closely? Okiya then drove away with Haibara and Agasa. It is possible Okiya didn't stop because he didn't want to continue being around Amuro and was trying to get Haibara away from the Amuro.
Amuro saw Sera. It's obvious she and Conan have a relationship, and Sera's familiarity and hugging make it seem closer than it really is. Amuro's comment "Why is this person here?" could easily be directed at Sera, but Vermouth was also in the same direction that Amuro was looking on the bridge above. If he saw Vermouth and identified her because of her distinctive bike, clothes, and hair it could also work.
Amuro may have seen Vermouth. See Sera's section above.
Amuro did not see Haibara.
Okiya saw Amuro, and he backed off the chase. Okiya now knows Amuro is with Conan, Kogoro, and Ran.
Okiya may have seen Sera either when he backed off or at the tail end while watching through his review mirror. This isn't certain, but likely because he would not want to leave, even if Bourbon were there, before Conan was safe.
Okiya did not see Vermouth.
Sera was pretty caught up in chasing, nailing the robber, and then glomping Conan so she didn't seem to pay much attention. She probably didn't see Okiya,
Sera was distracted as said above, and may have noticed Amuro. She obviously knew someone was driving the white car that intercepted the kidnapper's car.
Sera didn't notice Haibara or Vermouth.
Haibara felt there was a BO member following her. Sera and Amuro were following at the time. (Possibly Vermouth too, but she was a lot further off if she was)
Haibara saw Sera and Amuro briefly, but as Okiya drove away with her she didn't get a particularly long look.
Conan knows Sera and Amuro are there (Amuro from the car), but it isn't clear if he knows Okiya is there because he was kept in a headlock and distracted by Sera.
Conan doesn't know Vermouth is there and he probably doesn't know Agasa and Haibara were there.
Vermouth was pretty far away. Why was she even around in the first place? She saw all the cars.
Vermouth would likely have seen Okiya's stunt if she was watching the cars approach the bridge because Okiya only closed the door after he went under the bridge. She would realize Okiya intended to shoot, but not who he is (unless she knew his appearance in advance) because she wouldn't have had a particularly great look at him without binoculars.
Vermouth wouldn't know Haibara and Agasa were there unless she knew about Okiya and his car beforehand.
Vermouth saw Amuro at a distance. His dark skin and dyed hair and white RX-7 make him recognizable (if she knew him in advance)
Vermouth saw Kogoro, Conan and Ran.
Vermouth saw Sera at a distance, but unless she knew Sera's identity in advance, the distance would preclude any ability to sense she looks similar to anyone. Vermouth would also know Sera was attached to Conan.
sonoci wrote:
brb, shipping Okiya x Amuro for no reason whatsoever
Amuro x Ran (He is most definitely touching her boob if you look at that panel)
and of course, Sera x Conan
sonoci wrote:SERA ON TOP OF THE CAR. DAT FACE
Spoiler:
Nice 4koma. I like the secret handshake.
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