Discussion Thread: Detective Conan 939-941

Spimer · Post by **Spimer** » November 24th, 2015, 7:47 am

I know it's off-topic, but... Vi-Greythorn, a piece of adive: your signature pic is too big so you should make it smaller: just use Paint to reduce its size.

wrd · Post by **wrd** » November 24th, 2015, 2:53 pm

jimmy_kud0_tv2 wrote:
wrd wrote:
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At first glance, the descriptions would seem contradictory. This, if we think on the basis that those who described Rum had saw him clearly and described him in a realistic way.

For example, if Conan had to describe Kansuke for others. he won't describe him as old man or feminine (even if he unties his ponytail).

Also, if we took in consideration the way Gosho made his characters imagine/describe those 3 characteristics, it would seem difficult to fit the 3 descriptions in one person.

What I'm trying to say is, those who described Rum:
- Either they saw his body doubles.
- Or they did not saw him clearly or did saw him in different positions/situations/circumstances, which made him look feminine for some, and old or strong for others. And in this case, yes we can bring up the example of Kansuke : from a distance he could look elderly (but if he close the distance he won't look as such); if he untied his ponytail he would have long hair (although that won't qualify him as feminine in my opinion, considering his strong body and his hard features).

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The main issue with the Rum descriptions is that we get them as second hand information via Haibara and don't have any context from the situations of their meetings. Unlike the current case where we know that the DB saw the culprit in a department store and fleeing down the stairs, which is a first hand account. The department store is a contained location and the trick that made the culprit change appearance as the DB saw him/her is contained to the things found in the building or on their person (more specifically, anything we can see in the first 2 files).

When it comes to Rum, another thing to note is that in Japan there are rigid gender and hierarchy lines and people of different genders and ages speak differently depending on whom they are speaking to. So in certain cases the way a person speaks or even the specific words used can be mistaken for a different age or gender if you don't actually see the person face to face. For example, say that one of the three people describing Rum only spoke to him on the phone and heard a raspy elderly sounding voice they might mistake the person for being old when they aren't. Also you could say have them hear a high pitched voice and have them mistake that for feminine. You could also have one of those people describing him only have contact with him via email, in which case the words used might be associated with a person of a certain age or gender (Watashi (feminine), Boku (masculine) ect.)

As can be inferred from your last point, there is also the possibility that one of the people describing him saw him from a great distance and chose one particular feature to use as a description of him. Your example of seeing Kansuke from a distance and mistaking him for an elderly person due to having a cane can make sense, because as long as you don't get to close, you won't see his rougher features.

The main issue is that all three people say that he has a false eye. This presumably means that either they were close enough to him in person to actually notice this, or that he or someone else told them about it. If they were in close proximity to him, it would be a lot harder to use the two items above as excuses for why the descriptions don't match. However there could be things like different outfits that he wears to make him look different. I guess an example of something like this could be Masumi. In her first appearance she is mistaken for a guy mostly because of the way she acted and what she was wearing. However later we see her in a female school uniform (and even later in a swimsuit) which tells us that she is female despite what the main characters first guessed.

Yes, you said it all ^^...I agree with you.

Vi-Greythorn · Post by **Vi-Greythorn** » November 24th, 2015, 7:08 pm

Spimer wrote:I know it's off-topic, but... Vi-Greythorn, a piece of adive: your signature pic is too big so you should make it smaller: just use Paint to reduce its size.

Ok

jimmy_kud0_tv2 · Post by **jimmy_kud0_tv2** » November 28th, 2015, 11:43 am

941 text spoilers

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MeiTanteixX · Post by **MeiTanteixX** » November 28th, 2015, 1:48 pm

Here's my review of this Detective Conan case, FILE 940: Scattered Testimonies

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jimmy_kud0_tv2 · Post by **jimmy_kud0_tv2** » November 28th, 2015, 2:06 pm

MeiTanteixX wrote:Here's my review of this Detective Conan case, FILE 940: Scattered Testimonies
Spoiler:
Suspects
As usual, we have three suspects:
- Yata Takashi (he wears grey clothes, he's small-sized, has a wounded index finger, has two kanji characters on his back)
- Shika Mitsuko (she wears light grey clothes, she's short, wears a cold mask, has number ''6'' shaped brooch)
- Miyadai Yu (he wears dark grey clothes, he's tall, he has an athletes foot, has the Tokyo Spirit logo on his back)

Genta's description
Genta claims the culprit was small-sized, that the culprit had the number "2" printed on the back, they wore grey clothes.
Genta claims that he saw the culprit run past tall guys, from the haido high basketball team, who wore the same colored clothes as the culprit.

Mitsuhiko's description
Mitsuhiko claims the culprit was tall, that the way the ran was that of a man, has dark grey clothes.
Mitsuhiko claims the culprit zig-zag past 10 pieces of white mannequins holding different-sized-white-billboards.

Ayumi's description
Ayumi claims the culprit had average height(just a little taller than the professor), seemed like a woman, has light grey clothes(that almost looked white[File 939]).
Ayumi claims the culprit stood still for awhile to do something that looked like taking something from the bottom of the shoes before descending the stairs and went around a group high school students with the same uniform.

Other info
What we know from the File 939 is that the victim made plans to meet up with a troublesome customer of his restaurant by the stairs.
We also know the reasons for the suspects being found running/sweaty:
- Yata was running through the stairs because he was looking for the empty restroom(all the other floors' restroom were full(File 939]).
- Shika was running because she thought she had lost her wallet and was looking on all floors, she also didn't want to miss the re-runs of a TV show at home.
- Miyadai was running because he was hurrying home to take a shower after sweating from eating really hot spicy Thailand cuisine(File 939). He had heard the thai soup had the same taste as his own special soup from his restaurant and therefore wanted to verify it.
We also know that the knife didn't have any fingerprints and that the culprit used gloves(which all of the suspects had) but because bleeding didn't occur until the victim tried to pull out the knife, it was unlikely that blood would be found on the culprit.
Lastly, we know that the victim survived but is still unconscious.

The culprit
In order to kill the victim, the culprit had to wear gloves in order to avoid leaving fingerprints. Yata would have a hard time holding a knife while wearing a glove on top of his bandaged index and middle finger(assuming he's right-haneded of course).

The culprit had to later flee the scene fast. Shika, who was coughing because of her cold would be at a disadvantage, not only because she would have a hard time running, but her coughs would attract more attention to her.

the culprit who attacked the victim with the knife is the ''troublesome customer'' who wanted to verify if his special recipe was stolen, Miyadai Yu!

Going through the kids testimony:
Genta claimed the culprit was small-sized. Miyadai, who is tall, would appear smaller from Genta's point of view if he was running behind tall guys from the basketball team. Genta would naturally get the impression that the culprit is small when comparing the culprit to tall guys closer to himself.

Genta also claimed the culprit had number "2" printed on his back when it in fact was the mirrored "S" from Miyadai's Tokyo Spirit logo.
the reason Genta saw it mirrored was because Miyadai wore his clothes inside out in order to not be recognized with the culprit's clothes. That's is why Genta witnessed the culprit wearing grey clothes similar to the basketball team, because the inside of Miyadai's clothes were actually grey(not darker).

Mitsuhiko claimed the culprit wore dark grey clothes. normally it wouldn't contradict Miyadai's description, but since he wore his clothes inside out, they were actually grey. the reason Mitsuhiko saw it as dark grey was because the culprit was running through white mannequins holding white billboards. Mitsuhiko would naturally get the impression that the grey would seem darker when it's surrounded by white, in other words it was an illusion, similar to Genta's.

Ayumi claimed the culprit had average height. the reason for that is the fact the culprit Miyadai had an athlete foot. the reason Ayumi witnessed the culprit stop and check his foot before descending the stairs was becuase Miyadai started to feel pain in his foot. he stopped and naturally reacted by lifting up his foot to avoid putting weight on it. In order to not attract any attention through limping, Miyadai started to bend down a little( to the point were he seems like he has average height) and move a little slower in order to decrease the up-and-down motion from limping so that he can conceal the fact that his foot is hurt. The way he walked might've also looked like the way a shy woman would walk to Ayumi(which could be the reason she felt it was a woman).

Ayumi also claimed that the culprit wore light grey clothes, that almost looked white. The reason culprits grey clothes looked white is similar to Mitsuhiko's situation. As the culprit was passing by the 4th floor, A group of high school students, wearing the same uniform, were passing by. Japanese High school uniforms are always different depending on the season. The most plausible clothes the students were wearing are the winter uniforms such as sailor fuku(sailor outfit), which are commonly dark colored. Ayumi would naturally get the impression that the culprit's clothes are lighter when it's surrounded by dark colored uniforms. The illusion of the grey clothes looking almost white was strengthened by the fact that Miyadai was wearing a white T-shirt under his grey clothes.

That's why Genta's testimony, in terms of color of clothes, was correct.

Motive
Miyadai claimed that he heard that the victim's soup tasted like his own and therefore wanted to verify it. The police also mentioned that Miyadai and the victim used fight before because Miyadai accused the victim of stealing his secret recipe. Even though Miyadai denied the fact that the soup was similar to the police, the fact that it was similar must have been the reason he attacked the victim. We found out in File 939 that other customers praised the victim for his soup and that the victim added his special recipe to it. That special recipe must be the one Miyadai claims the victim stole. Since the victim survived the assault, the case is probably gonna end in nice note where a misunderstanding will be cleared out.

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MeiTanteixX · Post by **MeiTanteixX** » November 28th, 2015, 2:17 pm

jimmy_kud0_tv2 wrote:
MeiTanteixX wrote:Here's my review of this Detective Conan case, FILE 940: Scattered Testimonies
Spoiler:
Suspects
As usual, we have three suspects:
- Yata Takashi (he wears grey clothes, he's small-sized, has a wounded index finger, has two kanji characters on his back)
- Shika Mitsuko (she wears light grey clothes, she's short, wears a cold mask, has number ''6'' shaped brooch)
- Miyadai Yu (he wears dark grey clothes, he's tall, he has an athletes foot, has the Tokyo Spirit logo on his back)

Genta's description
Genta claims the culprit was small-sized, that the culprit had the number "2" printed on the back, they wore grey clothes.
Genta claims that he saw the culprit run past tall guys, from the haido high basketball team, who wore the same colored clothes as the culprit.

Mitsuhiko's description
Mitsuhiko claims the culprit was tall, that the way the ran was that of a man, has dark grey clothes.
Mitsuhiko claims the culprit zig-zag past 10 pieces of white mannequins holding different-sized-white-billboards.

Ayumi's description
Ayumi claims the culprit had average height(just a little taller than the professor), seemed like a woman, has light grey clothes(that almost looked white[File 939]).
Ayumi claims the culprit stood still for awhile to do something that looked like taking something from the bottom of the shoes before descending the stairs and went around a group high school students with the same uniform.

Other info
What we know from the File 939 is that the victim made plans to meet up with a troublesome customer of his restaurant by the stairs.
We also know the reasons for the suspects being found running/sweaty:
- Yata was running through the stairs because he was looking for the empty restroom(all the other floors' restroom were full(File 939]).
- Shika was running because she thought she had lost her wallet and was looking on all floors, she also didn't want to miss the re-runs of a TV show at home.
- Miyadai was running because he was hurrying home to take a shower after sweating from eating really hot spicy Thailand cuisine(File 939). He had heard the thai soup had the same taste as his own special soup from his restaurant and therefore wanted to verify it.
We also know that the knife didn't have any fingerprints and that the culprit used gloves(which all of the suspects had) but because bleeding didn't occur until the victim tried to pull out the knife, it was unlikely that blood would be found on the culprit.
Lastly, we know that the victim survived but is still unconscious.

The culprit
In order to kill the victim, the culprit had to wear gloves in order to avoid leaving fingerprints. Yata would have a hard time holding a knife while wearing a glove on top of his bandaged index and middle finger(assuming he's right-haneded of course).

The culprit had to later flee the scene fast. Shika, who was coughing because of her cold would be at a disadvantage, not only because she would have a hard time running, but her coughs would attract more attention to her.

the culprit who attacked the victim with the knife is the ''troublesome customer'' who wanted to verify if his special recipe was stolen, Miyadai Yu!

Going through the kids testimony:
Genta claimed the culprit was small-sized. Miyadai, who is tall, would appear smaller from Genta's point of view if he was running behind tall guys from the basketball team. Genta would naturally get the impression that the culprit is small when comparing the culprit to tall guys closer to himself.

Genta also claimed the culprit had number "2" printed on his back when it in fact was the mirrored "S" from Miyadai's Tokyo Spirit logo.
the reason Genta saw it mirrored was because Miyadai wore his clothes inside out in order to not be recognized with the culprit's clothes. That's is why Genta witnessed the culprit wearing grey clothes similar to the basketball team, because the inside of Miyadai's clothes were actually grey(not darker).

Mitsuhiko claimed the culprit wore dark grey clothes. normally it wouldn't contradict Miyadai's description, but since he wore his clothes inside out, they were actually grey. the reason Mitsuhiko saw it as dark grey was because the culprit was running through white mannequins holding white billboards. Mitsuhiko would naturally get the impression that the grey would seem darker when it's surrounded by white, in other words it was an illusion, similar to Genta's.

Ayumi claimed the culprit had average height. the reason for that is the fact the culprit Miyadai had an athlete foot. the reason Ayumi witnessed the culprit stop and check his foot before descending the stairs was becuase Miyadai started to feel pain in his foot. he stopped and naturally reacted by lifting up his foot to avoid putting weight on it. In order to not attract any attention through limping, Miyadai started to bend down a little( to the point were he seems like he has average height) and move a little slower in order to decrease the up-and-down motion from limping so that he can conceal the fact that his foot is hurt. The way he walked might've also looked like the way a shy woman would walk to Ayumi(which could be the reason she felt it was a woman).

Ayumi also claimed that the culprit wore light grey clothes, that almost looked white. The reason culprits grey clothes looked white is similar to Mitsuhiko's situation. As the culprit was passing by the 4th floor, A group of high school students, wearing the same uniform, were passing by. Japanese High school uniforms are always different depending on the season. The most plausible clothes the students were wearing are the winter uniforms such as sailor fuku(sailor outfit), which are commonly dark colored. Ayumi would naturally get the impression that the culprit's clothes are lighter when it's surrounded by dark colored uniforms. The illusion of the grey clothes looking almost white was strengthened by the fact that Miyadai was wearing a white T-shirt under his grey clothes.

That's why Genta's testimony, in terms of color of clothes, was correct.

Motive
Miyadai claimed that he heard that the victim's soup tasted like his own and therefore wanted to verify it. The police also mentioned that Miyadai and the victim used fight before because Miyadai accused the victim of stealing his secret recipe. Even though Miyadai denied the fact that the soup was similar to the police, the fact that it was similar must have been the reason he attacked the victim. We found out in File 939 that other customers praised the victim for his soup and that the victim added his special recipe to it. That special recipe must be the one Miyadai claims the victim stole. Since the victim survived the assault, the case is probably gonna end in nice note where a misunderstanding will be cleared out.

Spoiler:
As it turns out though, the spoilers say that the killer is the first suspect Kamaya Takashi (the guy with the wounded fingers)

is there any particular reason you have the names of the suspects different then they appear in the Japanese files?
possibly reading a translation from another language ?
If thats how they appear in the english file you read, then maybe that person translates from a language other than Japanese?

The Japanese file has them as Kamaya Takashi, Shikama Mitsuko, and Miyadai Masaru

the names are translated from a different language, so yeah, and wow, I didn't know the spoilers were out already... O.o well, I did my best!

edit: fixed the names

jimmy_kud0_tv2 · Post by **jimmy_kud0_tv2** » November 28th, 2015, 2:27 pm

MeiTanteixX wrote:
jimmy_kud0_tv2 wrote:
Spoiler:
As it turns out though, the spoilers say that the killer is the first suspect Kamaya Takashi (the guy with the wounded fingers)

is there any particular reason you have the names of the suspects different then they appear in the Japanese files?
possibly reading a translation from another language ?
If thats how they appear in the english file you read, then maybe that person translates from a language other than Japanese?

The Japanese file has them as Kamaya Takashi, Shikama Mitsuko, and Miyadai Masaru
the names are translated from a different language, so yeah, and wow, I didn't know the spoilers were out already... O.o well, I did my best!
edit: fixed the names

Its only roughly been about 10 hours since they appeared
that time is about the usual time they appear on 2ch (an entirely Japanese message board)

I live in the USA, and the time they are posted usually equates to about 2-3am Saturday morning for me (GMT -6)
but I'm not sure of where everyone else lives, so its going to be different for everyone

DCUniverseAficionado · November 29th, 2015, 3:08 pm

Copying this from The Red Thread:

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Serinox · Post by **Serinox** » November 30th, 2015, 8:00 am

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Vi-Greythorn · Post by **Vi-Greythorn** » November 30th, 2015, 8:22 am

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DCUniverseAficionado · November 30th, 2015, 8:23 am

Serinox wrote:
Spoiler:
Spoiler pics appeared, normally I don't post these here, but this one is pretty much the most important thing about this whole case summed up:

Spoiler:

Vi-Greythorn wrote:
Spoiler:
Chapter 941

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Vi-Greythorn · Post by **Vi-Greythorn** » November 30th, 2015, 8:40 am

DCUniverseAficionado wrote:
Serinox wrote:
Spoiler:
Spoiler pics appeared, normally I don't post these here, but this one is pretty much the most important thing about this whole case summed up:

Spoiler:
Well, he's got that look...

Looks like MG may very well be Shiho's/Ai's aunt, with the way things are going.

Vi-Greythorn wrote:
Spoiler:
Chapter 941

Spoiler:
Shiho/Ai with Akai eyes...

Spoiler:

DCUniverseAficionado · November 30th, 2015, 8:41 am

Vi-Greythorn wrote:
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What do you mean, explain please?

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Vi-Greythorn · Post by **Vi-Greythorn** » November 30th, 2015, 8:50 am

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