Detective Conan Files 796-800 Discussion Thread: Dun dun dun

[Commi-Ninja]

You can't just end it like that, Gosho!  Cruel and unusual...

[kuro_shiro]

conan may have meant that robber has her gun with her and would kill urakawa to protect her secret.
but then what would happen to kogoro and co. they are going straight to the third robber

[sonoci]

Hm, well, if the robber isn't the last lady, then Ran, Kogorou and Amuro may not meet up with Conan right away. I mean, he probably will want to talk Urakawa out of suicide/killing the last woman before making any moves to arrest the robber. It's kind of weird though since it's a bit hard to tell how far Okiya, Haibara and Agasa are from Conan's location. I'd like to say they'll get to him first since he'll likely stay still talking to Urakawa for a while, but it's a bit too early to say that Team Haibara won't meet up with Team Amuro at the same time as "Team" Conan.

All I know for sure: once Team Amuro gets to the woman's house and stops the car, Amuro and Sera are going to meet. I'm not sure how that will roll out




...In short: man, I can't wait until the spoilers for this chapter \o/ Even just a little something to let me know what'll be going down will be enough to keep me pumped and ready for anything 

[shuu]

Oh... let's think. A year has 52 weeks. 1 chapter/week. Several breaks. Then a year can have about 45-50 chapters released. 5 year can have 225-250 chapters. Then it must be around 1000 ^^

[kuro_shiro]

Spoiler: Third robber identified

she is the first woman by process of elimination
it can't be the third one as according to fie 796.2, all robbers are right handed. and third lady is lefty

now for the second one. she has won a lottery and has done some shopping and leaving tomorrow
however our robber can't use her money . remember all stolen money were new notes and would have been  identified at the point of purchase if they were from the robbery.
in short she is using the money from lottery not from robbery. she is a red herring not robber.

hence our robber is first woman toyokita rinko

that's my deduction .
as for solid proof of her being robber ,her photo is found  from kei's pc is found  by ran and others. as for conan she has her gun with her.

[ten]

Spoiler: Third robber identified

she is the first woman by process of elimination
it can't be the third one as according to fie 796.2, all robbers are right handed. and third lady is lefty

now for the second one. she has won a lottery and has done some shopping and leaving tomorrow
however our robber can't use her money . remember all stolen money were new notes and would have been  identified at the point of purchase if they were from the robbery.
in short she is using the money from lottery not from robbery. she is a red herring not robber.

hence our robber is first woman toyokita rinko

that's my deduction .
as for solid proof of her being robber ,her photo is found  from kei's pc is found  by ran and others. as for conan she has her gun with her.

I agree that the robbers are all right handed but I disagree with your deduction...

Spoiler:

The first woman is the only one we can be sure is actually right handed... Look at the spatula placed on the frying pan.. its on the right side, meaning she was cooking and placed the spatula down on the right side of the pan (flipping an omelet requires dexterity and would require your dominant hand).  She could not have anticipated Conan running all the way inside her kitchen, so she is the only one who could not have hidden her handedness.  Also, it would be natural for her to open the door with her left hand since the door opens outward to the left.

As for the second woman, she unlocks the door with her right hand, indicating she may be right handed, but that is not necessarily a certain indication of handedness (I am right handed, but put my keys in my left pocket solely out of habit (so my keys don't scratch my cell phone which I need to pull out with my right hand), and so end up unlocking the door/car with my left hand...)

For the third woman, her coffee cup and pen are on the left side of the writing pad indicating she may be left handed.  However, unlike the first woman, she could have anticipated that these unexpected visitors would notice this since her desk is visible from her door, and possibly have moved those items on purpose in order to hide her handedness.

Still, I think the meaning of the unusual currency on Kei's body and the food usually consumed by the three women are the vital clues to identifying the culprit. See my previous post here: http://forum.dctp.ws/viewtopic.php?p=619994#p619994

[Abs.]

A point of interest is the amount of coins and currency that the real Kei had in his possession -- if you link this change with buying habits for food it makes sense the money is for a machine.  Supposing the robber is Furiya and if Kei had been buying bentos from vending machines regularly for her, that could explain the reason he had all the loose coins he had on him at the time -- he was going to buy a bento for her on the way back so he could get rid of and use all that accumulated change he got from previous purchases, and the reason he had so many smaller denomination bills was that the machine did not accept large bills.

For the other two women, considering the food that they consume, Kei would not have similar currency on him: the first woman works at a convenience store and the third woman either has food delivered or eats food she takes home from a restaurant/fast food place -- neither needing small currency for vending machines.

Convenience store bentos are by definition bought at convenience stores. The thinking with Kei's change is that the robbers likely took some of the marked money and had been spending it at vending machines which would not differentiate the serial numbers, as opposed to clerks. He would get unmarked currency as change, which he could spend freely.

The trick would be to assume the woman robber employed the same strategy.

I am not familiar with whether actual gyuudon (beef rice) vending machines exist... They probably do as far as in restaurants though... The ones where you pay at the machine and bring your vended slip of paper to the waiter/waitress, and you can either eat there, or take it out.

[lol]

Once again.....Gosho has caused this forumto go NUTSSS because of his cliffhanging!!

[mihai]

Thinking about the 3 suspects (again 3 suspects ), the first one seems to be right handed since she use the right hand to flip the omelet and maybe to eat as well, and opening the door with the left hand doesn't matter since it's the way the door is placed.
The second one could be suspect and the shopping spree could be to buy new clothes and change hairstyle and hair color, also the boxed meals are not unusual since she just won the lottery as she says.
The third one seems the least suspect but the clue might be in the thrash(which is unclear since if you're a robber and a clue might be the garbage, you don't let others thow it for you).

I think Conan noticed something else we haven't noticed yet

[ten]

A point of interest is the amount of coins and currency that the real Kei had in his possession -- if you link this change with buying habits for food it makes sense the money is for a machine.  Supposing the robber is Furiya and if Kei had been buying bentos from vending machines regularly for her, that could explain the reason he had all the loose coins he had on him at the time -- he was going to buy a bento for her on the way back so he could get rid of and use all that accumulated change he got from previous purchases, and the reason he had so many smaller denomination bills was that the machine did not accept large bills.

For the other two women, considering the food that they consume, Kei would not have similar currency on him: the first woman works at a convenience store and the third woman either has food delivered or eats food she takes home from a restaurant/fast food place -- neither needing small currency for vending machines.

Convenience store bentos are by definition bought at convenience stores. The thinking with Kei's change is that the robbers likely took some of the marked money and had been spending it at vending machines which would not differentiate the serial numbers, as opposed to clerks. He would get unmarked currency as change, which he could spend freely.

The trick would be to assume the woman robber employed the same strategy.

I am not familiar with whether actual gyuudon (beef rice) vending machines exist... They probably do as far as in restaurants though... The ones where you pay at the machine and bring your vended slip of paper to the waiter/waitress, and you can either eat there, or take it out.

Ah, thanks for the info Abs -- I like your reasoning much better than mine ... so then that means the robber is the third woman, Tegawa.

Where it said convenience store bentos, it meant specifically not from a vending machine ehh... is it from the size/type of box that Conan could deduce that?? =)  After looking about gyudon I found a pic of those ticketing machines you mentioned  wikipedia  (that huge machine replaces a cashier??).

I remember the general idea of laundering money this way through machines has been covered before in a previous case where the criminals were making counterfeit money (the Soseki case).  It seems like a slow method though if you were greedy and wanted a lot of money quickly, although you could risk it and speed up the process if you hired a bunch of mules to help you (you give them money for ticketing machines for food/travel/etc and they give you the change).

[kuro_shiro]

Spoiler:

As for the second woman, she unlocks the door with her right hand, indicating she may be right handed, but that is not necessarily a certain indication of handedness (I am right handed, but put my keys in my left pocket solely out of habit (so my keys don't scratch my cell phone which I need to pull out with my right hand), and so end up unlocking the door/car with my left hand...)

could be right but again.if she was robber and lying about lottery she would be in jail by now.
amuro told the fact in file796.3 ,"most of the 200 million yen is new notes.it is simple to look up the serial number of each note"

For the third woman, her coffee cup and pen are on the left side of the writing pad indicating she may be left handed.  However, unlike the first woman, she could have anticipated that these unexpected visitors would notice this since her desk is visible from her door, and possibly have moved those items on purpose in order to hide her handedness.

why on earth would she fake it?
i don't think she is clairvoyant and even if she were the robber she could have simply placed the cup ,pens etc out of sight.
i don't think that a robber would actually give their trash to some strangers(detectives 's search for clues always start at garbage)

Still, I think the meaning of the unusual currency on Kei's body and the food usually consumed by the three women are the vital clues to identifying the culprit.

they are mentioned means they are important and will be referenced in resolution. but it does not mean that they are indespensible and without using those facts culprit can't be identified.
the currency ,for one, could mean that suitcase guy has kept some of the money with himself and deposited rest in locker. and kei found the body later and decided to take all the money with him.

Spoiler: in reference to ten's first post

The culprit is a woman who should be anxiously waiting the call from Kei to hear if they can get help on the location of the locker with the money....

culprit is a woman but about the anxiously waiting part i am not sure.
i am certain kei would have told her about his meeting with mouri.
so third robber probably knew that it would take some time to find locker.
in the case that culprit saw the news then she don't know about identity of man and she know for a fact that kei would not commt suicide.

The first woman, Toyokita Rinko, at first glance, seems the most suspicious.  She says she is "usually sleeping" at this hour, yet she was already awake, dressed and cooking food.  But, if Toyokita was the culprit she would have answered Serina's phone call being awake, or at least called Kei back if she was originally asleep.  Further, she has been home and had a chance to possibly watch the news about the real Kei, and if that was the case, she would probably not stay at home after receiving a phone call from a dead man.
She works in a convenience store but cooks for herself at home.

i also find her suspicious but didn't mentioned it as i have already marked her as culprit

The third woman, Tegawa Takayo, is a writer.  She was awake when they came to the door, working on her writing, but on her desk her phone sits right next to her work.  She could, and would have answered the call from Kei's phone if she was the culprit.
She eats only beef rice bowls

Note; urakawa called her but she didn't answer. it means she had given her work as a priority over the info on 200 million yen.
it can only mean that she is not the robber.

[MSUser]

An interesting thing is: Why would Conan investigate all three suspects?

Spoiler:

Assuming the author doesn't want to mess with the readers 

Let's assume it has got something to do with being right-handed or left-handed:
- If Conan was sure about the first woman to be the culprit, he wouldn't have gone to the second. The first one is right-handed.
- He proceeds to the second one, so it is more likely for her to be the criminal -- she is right-handed as well.
- To confirm his suspicion and to exclude further possibilities, they visit the third woman, who is left-handed.
Now Conan could assume that the second one is the one they are looking for if the culprit is right-handed.
If the criminal is left-handed, the third one is the only choice.

If the author wants to mess with the readers, one of them fakes being right- or left-handed.

[ziraulo]

Spoiler:

As for the second woman, she unlocks the door with her right hand, indicating she may be right handed, but that is not necessarily a certain indication of handedness (I am right handed, but put my keys in my left pocket solely out of habit (so my keys don't scratch my cell phone which I need to pull out with my right hand), and so end up unlocking the door/car with my left hand...)

could be right but again.if she was robber and lying about lottery she would be in jail by now.
amuro told the fact in file796.3 ,"most of the 200 million yen is new notes.it is simple to look up the serial number of each note"

For the third woman, her coffee cup and pen are on the left side of the writing pad indicating she may be left handed.  However, unlike the first woman, she could have anticipated that these unexpected visitors would notice this since her desk is visible from her door, and possibly have moved those items on purpose in order to hide her handedness.

why on earth would she fake it?
i don't think she is clairvoyant and even if she were the robber she could have simply placed the cup ,pens etc out of sight.
i don't think that a robber would actually give their trash to some strangers(detectives 's search for clues always start at garbage)

Spoiler:

Most likely, she didn't know that there were detectives that would be looking for her. I mean, the robbers were actually confident enough to ask for Kogoro's help in opening the safe. Probably, after the robbery, they were like "Yay, we did it! The police will never catch us! *insert Dora the Explorer theme here*", so if the third woman really was the robber, she wouldn't expect anyone coming after her. Besides, it's Kogoro who they recognize as a detective, not a lady and her kid.

Then again, if she is expecting someone to go after her, she may employ that trick. You don't have to be a clairvoyant to do that; you just have to be extremely paranoid.

[D.]

i read the file as soon as i came back from school. I was on my nerves at school!( good thing we didn't have anything important in math class)

I like it when Okiya said: It may well be that the one taking someone around... was actually conan-kun.
   and when Amuro said: Well, a child's curiosity and a detective spirit of inquiry do have much in common after all

[lol]

i read the file as soon as i came back from school. I was on my nerves at school!( good thing we didn't have anything important in math class)

I like it when Okiya said: It may well be that the one taking someone around... was actually conan-kun.
    and when Amuro said: Well, a child's curiosity and a detective spirit of inquiry do have much in common after all

HYPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE