@Borealis: I can't tell if you're arguing with me or not ^^;;.... but I certainly am not one to believe the BO plot is the only plot in Conan. I don't necessarily think the events of a single page should elevate or trump all other discussion. But, I don't think it's necessarily proper to go about complaining that people like to discuss the main plot. The discussion thread ultimately is what people want to make of it, what people want to discuss within the context of the files that were just released. It exists for the benefit of you guys and solely under your direction (as long as rules are not broken). If you guys choose to spend an entire page discussing the clothes people are wearing in a certain panel, I would be fine with it if that's truly what is the driving topic of interest. Maybe other people feel differently, I don't think it's anything worth getting frustrated or annoyed about though. Best to let the discussion flow naturally.
I do assume there will be more main case discussion after the scans are released; we make a point of directing people here every time we release, I'd be surprised if it doesn't pick up eventually.
As for the police love story, like Jd-, I don't think this case is entirely unrelated to it. I know the more exciting thing here is about getting more background on a fan-favorite character. But my comment was more just a general observation about how other plots have developed just as much, if not more significantly than the main plot since volume 49 (which I think we are in agreement about).
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sonoci
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Re: Detective Conan Files 804-80X Discussion Thread
Basically I agree with all of this.KnightusMaximus wrote: @Borealis: .... but I certainly am not one to believe the BO plot is the only plot in Conan. I don't necessarily think the events of a single page should elevate or trump all other discussion. But, I don't think it's necessarily proper to go about complaining that people like to discuss the main plot. The discussion thread ultimately is what people want to make of it, what people want to discuss within the context of the files that were just released. It exists for the benefit of you guys and solely under your direction (as long as rules are not broken). If you guys choose to spend an entire page discussing the clothes people are wearing in a certain panel, I would be fine with it if that's truly what is the driving topic of interest. Maybe other people feel differently, I don't think it's anything worth getting frustrated or annoyed about though. Best to let the discussion flow naturally.
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There's also the fact that without the actual words that they're saying we can't really speculate much (doesn't help that the only translation we have so far is centered on Amuro xD)
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Sory if it escalated.
scip this if you don't want to read about me rambling about what made this escelate.
1) I had put all my brain cells together to come up with some possible theories about the case and the only post after that was about Amuro (which is a bit disappointing)
2) (and here I slid into a rant of overreaction) The case was treated like a lovestory-case and it seemed like the poster thought that only BO-related cases are part of "the plot" (like said, massive overreaction here) Maybe I am simply the only one who would like to read or talk about something else than the BO.
3) I know it is also part of the chapter but there are a lot of other threads where that can be discussed. There you can also put it into context with other chapters. This might seem to be an overreaction as well for some but I saw what was going on when the first chapter of the last case came out. Even the poll was about who Bourbon was. Which had nothing to do with the chapter.
4) The fact that only the Amuro part was translated also kinda annoyed me. We only got a bit of context for the whole rest of the chapter.
@Knightus: What about the people who want to duscuss the case but there are ten comments on how it is important that Amuro has a slightly darker skin colour between each of their posts? (exaggerating) It's like you want to talk about a fantasy novel that at some point features a magical school and everyone is just comparing it to Harry Potter. It might be justified and even be a plot point (in the long run if it is a series of novels) but everyone who wants to talk about something else has a hard time finding other's comment about that.
And this is the only official thread to discuss this case but there are enough What-is-this-or-that-character-up-to?-threads.
So you can talk about the dresses of characters as much you like, unless there is a thread that is specialised in this topic.
I also think that things have been speeding up recently
About speculating: our minds are still free. maybe someone has a good idea but it doesn't right fit into what that person reads later and can't really work out how it could work. But someone else later gets inspired and gets the right idea. perhaps even something that isn't mentioned in the resulution of the case.
And speculating is about thinking something up and in most cases finding out that it didn't happen like this. Why else are we speculating anyway? ;-)
@sonoci: I would like do discuss. I already have posted one specuation and also replyed to Chekhov.
scip this if you don't want to read about me rambling about what made this escelate.
1) I had put all my brain cells together to come up with some possible theories about the case and the only post after that was about Amuro (which is a bit disappointing)
2) (and here I slid into a rant of overreaction) The case was treated like a lovestory-case and it seemed like the poster thought that only BO-related cases are part of "the plot" (like said, massive overreaction here) Maybe I am simply the only one who would like to read or talk about something else than the BO.
3) I know it is also part of the chapter but there are a lot of other threads where that can be discussed. There you can also put it into context with other chapters. This might seem to be an overreaction as well for some but I saw what was going on when the first chapter of the last case came out. Even the poll was about who Bourbon was. Which had nothing to do with the chapter.
4) The fact that only the Amuro part was translated also kinda annoyed me. We only got a bit of context for the whole rest of the chapter.
@Knightus: What about the people who want to duscuss the case but there are ten comments on how it is important that Amuro has a slightly darker skin colour between each of their posts? (exaggerating) It's like you want to talk about a fantasy novel that at some point features a magical school and everyone is just comparing it to Harry Potter. It might be justified and even be a plot point (in the long run if it is a series of novels) but everyone who wants to talk about something else has a hard time finding other's comment about that.
And this is the only official thread to discuss this case but there are enough What-is-this-or-that-character-up-to?-threads.
So you can talk about the dresses of characters as much you like, unless there is a thread that is specialised in this topic.
I also think that things have been speeding up recently
About speculating: our minds are still free. maybe someone has a good idea but it doesn't right fit into what that person reads later and can't really work out how it could work. But someone else later gets inspired and gets the right idea. perhaps even something that isn't mentioned in the resulution of the case.
And speculating is about thinking something up and in most cases finding out that it didn't happen like this. Why else are we speculating anyway? ;-)
@sonoci: I would like do discuss. I already have posted one specuation and also replyed to Chekhov.
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Re: Detective Conan Files 804-80X Discussion Thread
As of right now, this case actually hasn't been translated yet. So, including any information in speculative threads is a bit pointless as those who aren't in this current thread aren't really likely to look at the spoiler that says "From the untranslated chapter". Making threads for a small part of a file is also a bit unnecessary since discussion in this thread is about the file. The topic did waver a bit, but it started with something that was legitimately in "file 804" (which is word for word in the topic title ;)) so it was on topic.Borealis wrote: 3) I know it is also part of the chapter but there are a lot of other threads where that can be discussed. There you can also put it into context with other chapters.
There are many things in even a single file for people to talk about.
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As mentioned above, there are a lot of things to discuss in even a single file, so it really is difficult for anyone to find the comments that they want to read. It's general discussion of anything in the file. It's also only been 2 days since the Chinese file came out and the English isn't here yet so not many people have something to say.Borealis wrote: @Knightus: What about the people who want to discuss the case but there are ten comments on how it is important that Amuro has a slightly darker skin colour between each of their posts? (exaggerating) It might be justified and even be a plot point (in the long run if it is a series of novels) but everyone who wants to talk about something else has a hard time finding other's comment about that.
Technically this is the thread that is specialized in the topic as it is the one that deals with anything at all in the Chinese file/spoilers. If Yaiba cameoed for some reason in 805 then this would be the place to discuss it, even if it were pointless. :PBorealis wrote: So you can talk about the dresses of characters as much you like, unless there is a thread that is specialized in this topic.
But anyway, we should get back on topic
Borealis wrote: @sonoci: I would like do discuss. I already have posted one specuation and also replyed to Chekhov.
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I guess you're referring to my post...Borealis wrote: The case was treated like a lovestory-case and it seemed like the poster thought that only BO-related cases are part of "the plot" (like said, massive overreaction here) Maybe I am simply the only one who would like to read or talk about something else than the BO.
First of all,I think the BO cases are part of the main plot...I guess I wasn't clear on that point...If there wasn't the BO,Conan wouldn't have existed,so yeah I think BO cases are the most important in DC...
Character developement,Romance...are also plot,but I still think BO cases are the most important,they make DC more exciting ,at least for me...
I have been following DC for a long time,because of character development and romance,so please don't talk as if I was obsessed by BO only because I don't like the current case.
I think I'm free to feel disappointed,this is my feelings and I wanted to express them...Sorry if you think I was complaining,but I was just sharing my opinion.
For example people are disappointed during a DB cases although some of them are really good.There's no need to overreact like that...
My point is that many people(including me) didn't expect a Takagi case right now.Personnally,I was expecting something else, especially after the Akai flashback,but nothing happened.
Anyway,this case can be interesting,but since I had high expectation concerning the BO plot I feel a bit frustrated.I guess this is why people only translated the Amuro part...
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Re: Detective Conan Files 804-80X Discussion Thread
For you, BO cases are most important, I accept that. For me on the other hand they aren't. There also have been a lot of hints for BO-plot lately so I thought that this distancing is a nice way of getting the reader's minds off of the BO. Especially those who, like me, enjoy other aspects of the manga more.
Also, how do you know that you don't like the case? (I take "I don't like Takagi" as a valid answer, I wouldn't want to reed a whole big case about Genta)
I mostly judge cases not by the apearing characters but on the case itself. The last case was... lame. I didn't like it. That wasn't however because of the DB. I just didn't like the case. Many DB cases are actually quite good. Not outstaning good but enjoyable-good
I see the Gosho-aproach to BO-arcs as this (number of characters variable):
1)Mention a new BO-member.
2)For a handfull of cases let nothing happen or only give very subtle clues that fans just later find out were important.
3)Introduce a new mysterious character.
4)repeat step 2
5)for a greate bunch of cases give out bigger clues or red herrings
6)repeat step two
7)step two again
8)when everyone has given up on it, let everything crash
I figured we were at step 6 now. I was more surprised that it seems to be a big case.
Also, how do you know that you don't like the case? (I take "I don't like Takagi" as a valid answer, I wouldn't want to reed a whole big case about Genta)
I mostly judge cases not by the apearing characters but on the case itself. The last case was... lame. I didn't like it. That wasn't however because of the DB. I just didn't like the case. Many DB cases are actually quite good. Not outstaning good but enjoyable-good
I see the Gosho-aproach to BO-arcs as this (number of characters variable):
1)Mention a new BO-member.
2)For a handfull of cases let nothing happen or only give very subtle clues that fans just later find out were important.
3)Introduce a new mysterious character.
4)repeat step 2
5)for a greate bunch of cases give out bigger clues or red herrings
6)repeat step two
7)step two again
8)when everyone has given up on it, let everything crash
I figured we were at step 6 now. I was more surprised that it seems to be a big case.
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I never said I don't like this case,but I didn't expect this kind of case...I kinda missed Gin so I was hoping he would appear...BO members don't appear that much...
Btw even if I don't like Takagi,I do like some cases with him(The Matsuda case was awesome^^).
Anyway,I will let you enjoy this case in peace...I don't want to annoy people who are exited about it.
Btw even if I don't like Takagi,I do like some cases with him(The Matsuda case was awesome^^).
Anyway,I will let you enjoy this case in peace...I don't want to annoy people who are exited about it.
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Re: Detective Conan Files 804-80X Discussion Thread
...AICHAN wrote: ...,so please don't talk as if I was obsessed by BO only because I don't like the current case.
Well, I'm hoping for that one police officer to apear again who was sent to that region where the BO-bosses phone number leads to (doen't know his full name but it was that time where everyone thought that Takagi had to goe there)
But Gin will show up sooner, I am sure :-)
(phase 6 isn't completely out of hints;-))
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sonoci
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Re: Detective Conan Files 804-80X Discussion Thread
Just gonna post a reminder here:
BE WARY OF SPOILERS. Anything related to a nontranslated case could be considered spoilerish, so use those tags
BE WARY OF SPOILERS. Anything related to a nontranslated case could be considered spoilerish, so use those tags
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Re: Detective Conan Files 804-80X Discussion Thread
Just going back to what I said, I feel people should be able to discuss what they want related to the case, all I'm saying is that it's pointless to complain about the same thing every time a new case begins, it gets quite annoying for others. We know by now that the Bourbon Arc is slow, that some people want a BO case, that people hate the DB etc...I just don't see the point in turning these threads into places were the same complaints are repeated over and over. Of course, this applies to me as well since I complained too much when Sera first appeared, and that was stupid on my part...
That doesn't mean negative comments or ranting about characters should only be done outside of this thread, on the contrary, as long as it actually has to do with the case, I think it's great that people are more or less enthusiastic and more or less critic regarding the characters' actions, it opens the debate (like in the previous thread).
That doesn't mean negative comments or ranting about characters should only be done outside of this thread, on the contrary, as long as it actually has to do with the case, I think it's great that people are more or less enthusiastic and more or less critic regarding the characters' actions, it opens the debate (like in the previous thread).
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sonoci
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Re: Detective Conan Files 804-80X Discussion Thread
@Wakari: +1
What's odd though is that it was speculation.
But anyway, that's gone on long enough. Can't wait for the translation to see if I can get any ideas on the case
What's odd though is that it was speculation.
But anyway, that's gone on long enough. Can't wait for the translation to see if I can get any ideas on the case
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Re: Detective Conan Files 804-80X Discussion Thread
This is quite unexpected, but YAY!
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Re: Detective Conan Files 804-80X Discussion Thread
"Shinichi" cried in volume 63. Technically it counts.ahrjay wrote: This is quite unexpected, but YAY!
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sonoci
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Re: Detective Conan Files 804-80X Discussion Thread
It wasn't actually Shinichi though. ...So technically it doesn't xD *as he's not main*Kikiko wrote:"Shinichi" cried in volume 63. Technically it counts.ahrjay wrote: This is quite unexpected, but YAY!
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