Details relating to the end of 894 (warning: spoilers)

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Re: Details relating to the end of 894 (warning: spoilers)

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Chekhov MacGuffin wrote:
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k11chi wrote:Well you can be sure Gosho never even touched those manga tutorial books you are talking about... This is 20 years old series.

I wonder how many mangaka actually care... Even if they do, seeing as how it has that weekly schedule and not even monthly manga do better anyway...

Do you knew Gosho personally?? if not, how you can be so sure Gosho never even touched those manga tutorial in his whole life?? Mangaka needs a references to begin with it may vary from encyclopedia to a manga tutorial book. A beginner who wants to be a mangaka will pick manga tutorial as reference obviously. For veteran mangaka they learn their stuffs most by experiences, but there is no law stated that a veteran mangaka must not use/read/TOUCH a manga tutorial book, right? Manga Tutorial may serve as guide, a reminder, reference for all mangaka

Some Mangaka don't actually care and these carelessness is resulting/creating inconsistency in their work. But there also inconsistency created because of time pressure and poor research.

Most fans already knew about Dragon Ball and Bleach inconsistencies, which is both far to the genre of Conan which is mystery who needs more consistency than the fantasy genre. And also I only mentioning/discussing the ratio & proportion of human body and how it can affect to the sex and age of the character FYI.
I think you are making a mountain out of a molehill. You seem to be treating these "rules" about proportion as if they were divinely ordained so Gosho must be following them. I said we should prove that's true before making assumptions by examining the art in a methodical and deliberate fashion. It's not something that difficult to do. All you have to do is pick a sample of sample of pictures and see which ones conform to the norms and which ones are exceptions.

Second Gosho has been noted to have some inconsistencies. He isn't perfect all the time.

Scar Akai's scar changed from panel to panel in the same case.
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Shinichi's bathroom door likes to reverse itself.
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And Sonoko's shirt can jump through her arms.
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The Scar Akai inconsistency could've been a hint that it wasn't a real scar or have to do with the way the light hit it. Other than that, Gosho is human. None of us are perfect.

Yuki, you need to take a step back and calm down. Nobody here may know Gosho personally and he may have a generally consistent art style, but there is always a possibility that Mask Subaru's proportions ended up wonky or are a red herring and that it's Akai in the disguise instead of someone else.
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Re: Details relating to the end of 894 (warning: spoilers)

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PhantomWriter wrote:The Scar Akai inconsistency could've been a hint that it wasn't a real scar. Other than that, Gosho is human. None of us are perfect.
The key was that it was inconsistent within the same case which made "changing scar as a sign of disguise" argument undependable. That was okay as there were other indications which were used instead.
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PhantomWriter wrote:
The Scar Akai inconsistency could've been a hint that it wasn't a real scar or have to do with the way the light hit it. Other than that, Gosho is human. None of us are perfect.

Yuki, you need to take a step back and calm down. Nobody here may know Gosho personally and he may have a generally consistent art style, but there is always a possibility that Mask Subaru's proportions ended up wonky or are a red herring and that it's Akai in the disguise instead of someone else.
I only answer base on what he said, I'm sorry to I sound rude. And also I'm very calm person.

I know their is a possibility that Mask Subaru's proportions ended up wonky or are a red herring (Gosho maybe tired and sleepy that day :) )and also considering the possibility of its only someone's dream(to farfetched? I know). But we must also consider the fact that this is a part of a big main series (a huge revelation may come) so having a huge inconsistency in here is unforgivable.
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So I have a 37.2 MB file of a hundred odd panels of Subaru I snapped back when I was still doing my Okiya=Akai theory 4+ years ago. The images go up to file 704 I think. It seems that Subaru is drawn with shoulder proportions that are between 1:2.5 to 3.25 or so depending on the file and his outfit. Uploading such a giant file is a bit problematic, so I am not sure how I can show you the results.
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I've been hearing a theory about the Amuro at the door being Vermouth in disguise. Though I find it unlikely due to motives and all of that, that Amuro would just let Vermouth deal with Akai, I'm not sure if we can tell based on body proportions.

For reference, this is the Amuro at the door. He's got a 1:2 ratio for his head to his arms, which usually fits with adult female characters and a 1:2 ratio between his leg and his forearm, which usually fits with adult male characters.
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Amuro has a 1:2 ratio between his leg and his forearm.
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Vermouth has this ratio between her leg and forearm.
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Meanwhile, compared to each other, both have similar shoulder width proportions compared to their head:
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We cannot tell at this time and I am going to assume, until further evidence is given either way, that it's Amuro at the door.
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PhantomWriter wrote:I've been hearing a theory about the Amuro at the door being Vermouth in disguise.
If we see one more disguise, I swear I'm gonna finally make that disguise chart.
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Jd- wrote:
PhantomWriter wrote:I've been hearing a theory about the Amuro at the door being Vermouth in disguise.
If we see one more disguise, I swear I'm gonna finally make that disguise chart.
Of all the times she's disguised?
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PhantomWriter wrote:
Jd- wrote:
PhantomWriter wrote:I've been hearing a theory about the Amuro at the door being Vermouth in disguise.
If we see one more disguise, I swear I'm gonna finally make that disguise chart.
Of all the times she's disguised?
Yeah, and not just her. Every disguise everyone has ever assumed for any reason. Yukiko, Kid, Conan, Haibara, Vermouth, Akai, Amuro, everyone that's had a disguise, we need it all in a chart for reference.
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Jd- wrote:
PhantomWriter wrote:
Jd- wrote:
PhantomWriter wrote:I've been hearing a theory about the Amuro at the door being Vermouth in disguise.
If we see one more disguise, I swear I'm gonna finally make that disguise chart.
Of all the times she's disguised?
Yeah, and not just her. Every disguise everyone has ever assumed for any reason. Yukiko, Kid, Conan, Haibara, Vermouth, Akai, Amuro, everyone that's had a disguise, we need it all in a chart for reference.
Vermouth, Kid, and Yukiko all have their own disguises listed at DCW's wiki. Also I have a stalled disguise article that could use love where I would like to make such a list for every suspect in every case: http://www.detectiveconanworld.com/wiki ... n/Disguise
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^Chekhov, “Neither the bowtie nor the mask cannot imitate regional accents”, should I assume you meant “can”? You have a double negation otherwise, so you’re saying that they can do it.

Edit: also this phrase doesn’t seem to make sense “Professor Agasa made a mechanical mockup which worn on his shoulders used that makes him seem like a much taller male figure”.
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As for Mask Subaru in 895, he's still got the same shoulder proportions as in 894, which contradicts the rest of how Subaru is drawn.

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Jodie has been removed from the suspect list due to how she's clearly in a different location at the same time as him.
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ALAKTORN wrote:^Chekhov, “Neither the bowtie nor the mask cannot imitate regional accents”, should I assume you meant “can”? You have a double negation otherwise, so you’re saying that they can do it.

Edit: also this phrase doesn’t seem to make sense “Professor Agasa made a mechanical mockup which worn on his shoulders used that makes him seem like a much taller male figure”.
Sorry, I am a bit dyslexic and I have trouble with spelling. I tend to wreck my grammar up because I stop in the middle of what I am writing to fix spelling issues and lose track of what I said. I was in a hurry writing that, so I didn't proofread.

Also, I think the current situation calls for analyzing Yuusaku's shoulders.
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Jd- wrote:
PhantomWriter wrote:I've been hearing a theory about the Amuro at the door being Vermouth in disguise.
If we see one more disguise, I swear I'm gonna finally make that disguise chart.
Is it wrong that I read this in Kogoro's manner of speech? >:D

Also, is it normal around here when everyone's analyzing body proportions and miniscule details for their theories and deductions? I'm actually surprised the methods used by observers here are meticulous and precise, to the point where you're not steps behind from what Gosho's planning. :D
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char13happy wrote:
Jd- wrote:
PhantomWriter wrote:I've been hearing a theory about the Amuro at the door being Vermouth in disguise.
If we see one more disguise, I swear I'm gonna finally make that disguise chart.
Is it wrong that I read this in Kogoro's manner of speech? >:D

Also, is it normal around here when everyone's analyzing body proportions and miniscule details for their theories and deductions? I'm actually surprised the methods used by observers here are meticulous and precise, to the point where you're not steps behind from what Gosho's planning. :D

As far as i know. This is the first time body proportions has been brought in for deduction. Its accuracy is still unknown. We'll know in a short time however.

When we see article like these.
http://www.detectiveconanworld.com/wiki ... tive_Conan
http://www.detectiveconanworld.com/wiki ... tive_Conan
http://www.detectiveconanworld.com/wiki ... _and_anime
http://www.detectiveconanworld.com/wiki ... his_theory

You'll know fans are very serious.. The last part of the last link are not even brought up in story. But fans talk about it years before.
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char13happy wrote:
Jd- wrote:
PhantomWriter wrote:I've been hearing a theory about the Amuro at the door being Vermouth in disguise.
If we see one more disguise, I swear I'm gonna finally make that disguise chart.
Is it wrong that I read this in Kogoro's manner of speech? >:D
Totally normal!

One day, I shall make this chart. I've been joking about it for ages now, and someday, the stars shall align and this chart shall see the light of day...
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