Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 815-817 "Cabin Trap

[leokiko]

Rarely the spoilers comes out as early as Wednesday/Thursday, so I would expect it from Friday to Monday.

[Kaito Lady]

Rarely the spoilers comes out as early as Wednesday/Thursday, so I would expect it from Friday to Monday.

ok, thanks

[Incomplete-tantei]

Spoiler:

If Amuro turns out to be Bourbon then there goes the whole need to not tell Ran the truth and getting her involved in the BO. If Amuro figures it all out about Conan then it is even more dangerous to keep it all hidden in the first place. So it is ok for Shinichi's parents to know about the BO and risk THEM getting killed but Ran and Kogoro have to be kept in the dark wtf?

Well it's because they're Shinichi's parents and so they're more closer to Conan than Ran and Kogoro..

Anyway, I wonder if I should read Orient Express from Agatha Chrisitie is it that good? Plus Gosho may put smilar things that are in the novel into the case.

[shihokudo]

Spoiler:

Since the plot is moving now, I just want to share what I often come across as I study for my field (nutrition&dietetics).

Kinds of Whiskey:

1.) Rye -- supposed to be given as code name to Moroboshi Dai = Akai when he infiltrated the Black Org

2.) Bourbon -- who is this guy really?

Cocktail Mixing:

Bourbon + Vermouth = Manhattan !!! as in Manhattan, New York where Akai and Vermouth first met in Shinichi's NY Case

Does this happen to you guys? Whenever I read about or actually drink alcohol, I always remember Black Org. 

THIS IS MINDBLOWING!!!

[Wakarimashita]

@Incomplete-tantei :

I would suggest reading it or watching the 1974 adaptation.

[Incomplete-tantei]

@Incomplete-tantei :

I would suggest reading it or watching the 1974 adaptation.

Which one's the best? I think I'll read the novel though.

[skyechan]

@Incomplete-tantei :

I would suggest reading it or watching the 1974 adaptation.

Which one's the best? I think I'll read the novel though.

Start by reading the novel. I haven't seen the 1974 version, but I did see David Suchet's version from the Poirot series. Changed a bit but very enjoyable.

In regards to Murder on the Orient Express...

Spoiler:

Somehow if the story ends up in a situation akin to that Poirot faces at the end of the novel (everyone did it and in order to avenge the murder of a young child that led to the death of an entire family) I don't think Shin'ichi would face the same moral dilemma, considering his opinion that it doesn't matter what someone's reason is for killing another: he simply can't sympathize with murderers.

[Wakarimashita]

@Incomplete-tantei :

I would suggest reading it or watching the 1974 adaptation.

Which one's the best? I think I'll read the novel though.

That's like asking me if the DC manga or anime is the best. It depends on your personal preferences : are you more of a book person or of a movie person ? are you the type to say that the original is always the best ? etc.

The David Suchet version mentioned by skyechan is pretty good too (as is the whole series in fact).

[orangpelupa]

how amuro know that the pc is being hacked?

He probably was telepathically contacted by the computer about it. 

Well, depending on how it was hacked, the mouse may have started to cursor may have started to move on its own and acted as if someone were sitting there using it.  Or everything got deleted without warning.  There's a myriad of ways he'd have known.

Well yeah, but I'm still surprised he noticed it so fast. One moment he's still watching the video, and the other he suddenly *ding!* knows someone is cracking the computer. He doesn't even need to check whether he himself didn't alter something by accident (if e.g. things got deleted). Even if it was the video itself that got deleted, Amuro wouldn't notice until he tried to load the video in a video player again. The video is already fully loaded into the video player when Amuro watches it, so no possibility of stopping him seeing the whole deal. Oh, and the cracker visibly moving the mouse is only possible if the current user (i.e. Amuro on Kogorou's account) agrees on letting the cracker take control over the account.

Seems like Conan didn't teach them well.

To be fair, his question made sense at the time.  It's not like it was just asked out of thin air.

Alright, but you shouldn't just spell out the password, as they did. You could just explain a few tactics you use on creating a password that'll stick in your memory.

Before i start my theory, i will call person in Kogoro's office = AAA
Person in sinichi house that hacking kogoro laptop = XXX
(sorry, because i forgot their names)

Why AAA can easily tell that kogoro laptop is being hacked? it depends on the attacker.
but by seeing how stupid kogoro is, it is possible that  XXX  is just using "Remote Desktop" via VNC. Thus allowing him to see everything that happening on the Kogoro's laptop.

This explains the scene  that AAA quickly notice there's a hacker (seeing VNC icon in active mode on system tray)

This also explain the scene that XXX looks calmly watching the Monitor screen while drinking/smoking. Not busy doing any actual hacking. Because he is just "Seeing" what AAA is doing on kogoro laptop.

this also mean that XXX is also seeing the video that AAA is seeing.

sorry the bad english.

[Akonyl]

Before i start my theory, i will call person in Kogoro's office = AAA
Person in sinichi house that hacking kogoro laptop = XXX
(sorry, because i forgot their names)

Why AAA can easily tell that kogoro laptop is being hacked? it depends on the attacker.
but by seeing how stupid kogoro is, it is possible that  XXX  is just using "Remote Desktop" via VNC. Thus allowing him to see everything that happening on the Kogoro's laptop.

This explains the scene  that AAA quickly notice there's a hacker (seeing VNC icon in active mode on system tray)

This also explain the scene that XXX looks calmly watching the Monitor screen while drinking/smoking. Not busy doing any actual hacking. Because he is just "Seeing" what AAA is doing on kogoro laptop.

this also mean that XXX is also seeing the video that AAA is seeing.

sorry the bad english.

while it's possible that Okiya (XXX) is just remote desktopping in to Kogoro's computer, that would
a) require Kogoro to have a VNC Server set up on his computer (which he pretty much has no reason to have), or for Okiya to have set up a VNC Server on Kogoro's computer (which I don't think he had any time to do)
b) mean that Amuro (AAA) knows what VNC is but still calls it "hacking", which is just plainly incorrect

the more likely solution is just "even in detective mangas, as in detective/crime TV shows, hacking is and always will be horribly misrepresented".

The more probable explanation is:
Okiya is hacking Kogoro's computer by magical leet hacket skills. He made a program that hacks computers automatically so he can look cool and drink with a smug face while it hacks peoples stuff for him. Amuro probably knows the computer's being hacked because the screen turned static-y with a giant laughing skull and crossbones that says "ha ha I am hacking you!", coupled with a progress bar labeled "Deleting all files...", in typical fiction-hacking fashion.

[orangpelupa]

lol yeah seems i over-thinking it. its just kind of break the "suspension of disbelief" for me.

about over-thinking, if i over-thinking it again, kogoro's laptop can be installing VNC without he realizing it. For example, Okiya pack the VNC with a Map, then  send fake email saying that kogoro got free something and please look at the attached interactive map to see the location.

with NSIS script, its easily done.

there. i over-thinking again >_<
i prefer your explanation. i almost laugh out loud in the middle of night haha.

[blackribbon]

Before i start my theory, i will call person in Kogoro's office = AAA
Person in sinichi house that hacking kogoro laptop = XXX
(sorry, because i forgot their names)

Why AAA can easily tell that kogoro laptop is being hacked? it depends on the attacker.
but by seeing how stupid kogoro is, it is possible that  XXX  is just using "Remote Desktop" via VNC. Thus allowing him to see everything that happening on the Kogoro's laptop.

This explains the scene  that AAA quickly notice there's a hacker (seeing VNC icon in active mode on system tray)

This also explain the scene that XXX looks calmly watching the Monitor screen while drinking/smoking. Not busy doing any actual hacking. Because he is just "Seeing" what AAA is doing on kogoro laptop.

this also mean that XXX is also seeing the video that AAA is seeing.

sorry the bad english.

while it's possible that Okiya (XXX) is just remote desktopping in to Kogoro's computer, that would
a) require Kogoro to have a VNC Server set up on his computer (which he pretty much has no reason to have), or for Okiya to have set up a VNC Server on Kogoro's computer (which I don't think he had any time to do)
b) mean that Amuro (AAA) knows what VNC is but still calls it "hacking", which is just plainly incorrect

the more likely solution is just "even in detective mangas, as in detective/crime TV shows, hacking is and always will be horribly misrepresented".

The more probable explanation is:
Okiya is hacking Kogoro's computer by magical leet hacket skills. He made a program that hacks computers automatically so he can look cool and drink with a smug face while it hacks peoples stuff for him. Amuro probably knows the computer's being hacked because the screen turned static-y with a giant laughing skull and crossbones that says "ha ha I am hacking you!", coupled with a progress bar labeled "Deleting all files...", in typical fiction-hacking fashion.

Or this is further proof of Sera and Okiya working together: Sera may have set it up some time. She basically walks in and out of Kogoro's office, doesn't she? I guess I'd have to reread the chapters where she appears, but generally, I think it wouldn't be impossible for her to do it. This ties in nicely with my theory that she told Okiya  that there was something to look out for in the first place. Or maybe she installed it for herself first and then started working together with Okiya=Akai.

But well, this of course again assumes that they know each other's identities and everything. However, I think it would be a bit disappointing if the hacking actually was just 1337 haxxor skillz. I can't judge if everything is well-researched in this manga, but generally, it appears to be so.

[Midi]

@Incomplete-tantei :

I would suggest reading it or watching the 1974 adaptation.

Which one's the best? I think I'll read the novel though.

Honestly? Well, reading the book first is always a good place to start, but David Suchet's recent version is extremely good. I would watch both - as I have recently done, and compare and comtrast between the book, the 1974 version and Suchet's Poirot. In my opinion, Suchet is doing for Poirot what Brett did for Holmes in the 80s, but your milage may vary.

Here's a link to it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pUuNTAjCC8

Youtube also supports the 1974 version. If I recall correctly, Sean Connery was one of the passengers.

about over-thinking, if i over-thinking it again, kogoro's laptop can be installing VNC without he realizing it. For example, Okiya pack the VNC with a Map, then  send fake email saying that kogoro got free something and please look at the attached interactive map to see the location.

with NSIS script, its easily done.

there. i over-thinking again >_<
i prefer your explanation. i almost laugh out loud in the middle of night haha.

That's bloody brilliant,actually. And we all know Mouri is incautious enough to do just that. He'd open the attachment without thinking - especially if it was related to a pachinko parlour, or a new Mah Jong emporium - which anyone who spends five minutes in his company will know are an easy bait.

[Akonyl]

Or this is further proof of Sera and Okiya working together: Sera may have set it up some time. She basically walks in and out of Kogoro's office, doesn't she? I guess I'd have to reread the chapters where she appears, but generally, I think it wouldn't be impossible for her to do it. This ties in nicely with my theory that she told Okiya  that there was something to look out for in the first place. Or maybe she installed it for herself first and then started working together with Okiya=Akai.

But well, this of course again assumes that they know each other's identities and everything. However, I think it would be a bit disappointing if the hacking actually was just 1337 haxxor skillz. I can't judge if everything is well-researched in this manga, but generally, it appears to be so.

it would only show that they're working together in the situation where Sera went in and set up the VNC server, but if that was the case, unless Gosho wanted to make Amuro look like a fool, Amuro would have never said that the computer was being hacked.

and yeah, in general, everything is well-researched, but it's only well-researched up to the point that it matters to the plot and mystery, and doesn't always go much further beyond that. It's the same thing as APTX, where he explains "oh yeah it induces apoptosis to shrink people" but doesn't explain any further because a) it's impossible in reality and b) because it doesn't matter, Gosho just wanted to give you enough background info to let you know what the general idea was (as is done in a lot of science fiction). Kaito is treated similarly, where he has these instantaneous disguises and the magical folding hang-glider, which are all pretty much impossible, but it's alright because how they work are never the focus of the mystery and they're just taken as something he can do because he's Kaito.

for this part of the plot, Okiya just needed leet haxxor skillz, so he was given them as to advance the plot. Sure, getting remote access would be 100% easier if you had someone with physical machine access like Sera, but it's still possible for Okiya to do it by himself, which is more than can be said about APTX and Kaito's situations. Besides, without knowing the full extent of Okiya/Akai's background, we don't know whether it makes sense or not for him to have sweet haxxing skillz.

[mihai]

Spoiler:

If Amuro turns out to be Bourbon then there goes the whole need to not tell Ran the truth and getting her involved in the BO. If Amuro figures it all out about Conan then it is even more dangerous to keep it all hidden in the first place. So it is ok for Shinichi's parents to know about the BO and risk THEM getting killed but Ran and Kogoro have to be kept in the dark wtf?

Well it's because they're Shinichi's parents and so they're more closer to Conan than Ran and Kogoro..

Anyway, I wonder if I should read Orient Express from Agatha Chrisitie is it that good? Plus Gosho may put smilar things that are in the novel into the case.

well, Yuusaku also said he has some connections with Interpol(might be wrong if he mentioned it specifically) and he's also THE Kudou Yuusaku so the BO would proceed carefully. Though, I would like for Yuusakuto do something as well to help Conan with the BO.