[768-770] Jeet Kune Do: Sera's Identity Speculation Thread

[shihokudo]

can't wait for file 769

[sonoci]

@Dus: There are a number of ways to accomplish such a task. Jealousy is a powerful thing, after all

@randompi31415: I think I misread or something, you for the girl thing or not? Doesn't really matter, just curious

@RedPoppy: I wouldn't say a perfect theory, more like random 'for the lulz' speculation xD Also 'looking way too much into things'. Regardless, this silly idea actually holds water depending on your view, so I guess my points mean something. I agree with the adoring Ran part. Really, Ran has had so many boys that like her, even if they're minor. All we've had for Shinichi is little girls (going after Conan, no less) and a fake girlfriend that didn't even actually want to contact him for lovey purposes. And...really, it is Ran's turn to develop the relationship. Even if Shinichi really were away instead of running behind the scenes doing a heck of a lot of work, she hasn't done much to move things along. I also hope for Sera to be a deduction rival along with a rival in love.

@Katty: I don't think we'd come anywhere nearer to the end if something were to happen here, to be honest. I mean...there's way too much for us to learn at this point. Not only is there the love thing to be settled, which in and of itself will be an arc or two at least with how slow ShinRan moves, the Bourbon arc, general BO arcs with all the loose ends we have, Anokata arc...not to mention all the fillers. We still have a good way to go.

@Knightus: As for the title of 769...

Spoiler:

I can't say much as I know nothing when it comes to translating, so I don't want to make an argument/speculation on something I don't even have an iota of sense in xD''

Good points you have there, as Ran has went through a lot. But on that note...hasn't Conan/Shinichi, too, if not more?
What I see here is that Ran has her happiness available right there, but has yet to grasp it (straightforwardly, that is, as she technically 'confessed' very early on). To me, Sera wouldn't be anywhere near a rival either. I'd like to see jealous!Ran again...jealous!Ran that isn't mad at Shinichi.
That was one thing that always bothered me: whenever Ran would think about competition, she'd immediately think he was just a player and get infuriated towards him, even though she knows he's a nice guy (maybe a bit perverted, but nice) The Sera business, to me, is the one chance we have at seeing a jealous Ran that doesn't aim to annihilate her stolen turf but rather take it back and defend.
She's gotten a confession out of him: she knows that he likes her. At this point a 'rival' for Shinichi would make her realize what she needs to do, therefore speeding up the confession. Or, if you don't like the idea of the end coming near, she decides she needs to tell him in person, leading to the wait for the next time they meet (which could take any amount of time).
I don't think Shinichi would 'take back' a confession either, so there's no real love drama. But there definitely seems to be deducing potential here and humor from jealous!Ran.

@Kaoko:  I don't see much incriminating. I could be in denial...if I was actually serious enough about this theory.

Anyway, until I can at least see all of the Chinese one of 769, there won't be much change in my (or anyone else's xP) opinions, so I guess we wait!

[KnightusMaximus]

All we've had for Shinichi is little girls (going after Conan, no less) and a fake girlfriend that didn't even actually want to contact him for lovey purposes.

I would say that Ran though has had a major love rival in Haibara. With the exception of Shiratori, I don't think there actually was a more serious rival in this series. It was just a very subtle competition for affection/attention by comparison to what we expect in a love triangle. Haibara was borderline flirty with Conan in some early parts of the series ("I'm really 18, just perfect for you"). Their close relationship caused Ayumi to confront Ai directly about whether she's in love with him, which Ai denied but not before rhetorically asking her "what if I am?". Ran first heard of Ai during the Shinichi flashback case in volume 21, and by then had already begun to suspect Conan is Shinichi. When she found out Haibara was a "cute new girl" hanging around the Detective Boys, she chastised Conan for "never telling me anything about school". Then later Haibara, after denying that any of the data to cure Shinichi's condition was recovered in V24, refused to talk to or acknowledge Ran in the beginning of the Revival arc (while typing next to a burnt-up floppy disc, lamenting that she isn't confronting this). After the Desperate Revival arc, Haibara was visibly happy that Shinichi was unable to confess his feelings to Ran, causing the Detective Boys to ask if "something good happened to her" (Shinichi, by contrast, was clearly depressed).

Needless to say, Haibara eventually warmed up to Ran during the Vermouth arc to the point where she began to see her as her big sister. But until then, I think she was definitely a rival.

Does Ran really have her happiness available right there, though? I'm still a bit concerned about the foreshadowing intended by the line, "[If I confess,] she would want to see me. If I said how I feel about her, she would miss me even more... all this time, I've been breaking her heart by keeping her waiting, yet I still can't appear before her eyes. I never want to see her cry anymore, even if it means I no longer exist in her heart." It seems like this particular issue hasn't in any way been resolved since V33. The conclusion Conan himself reached was that a confession of feelings will only lead to further unhappiness for Ran as she would desire to see him more. Conan/Shinichi, unlike Ran, has the peace of mind of knowing that he is around the woman he loves 24/7. Ran just doesn't. Sera could potentially be a comforting presence in her life.

[Katty008]

Main reason why I'm still not taking this too seriously: Conan will end in 2017. I don't think there's enough time for a rival character before the end of that year.

I kept trying to figure out why 23 was a significant number, AND THEN I UNDERSTOOD.

[sonoci]

I would say that Ran though has had a major love rival in Haibara. With the exception of Shiratori, I don't think there actually was a more serious rival in this series. It was just a very subtle competition for affection/attention by comparison to what we expect in a love triangle. Haibara was borderline flirty with Conan in some early parts of the series ("I'm really 18, just perfect for you"). Their close relationship caused Ayumi to confront Ai directly about whether she's in love with him, which Ai denied but not before rhetorically asking her "what if I am?". Ran first heard of Ai during the Shinichi flashback case in volume 21, and by then had already begun to suspect Conan is Shinichi. When she found out Haibara was a "cute new girl" hanging around the Detective Boys, she chastised Conan for "never telling me anything about school". Then later Haibara, after denying that any of the data to cure Shinichi's condition was recovered in V24, refused to talk to or acknowledge Ran in the beginning of the Revival arc (while typing next to a burnt-up floppy disc, lamenting that she isn't confronting this). After the Desperate Revival arc, Haibara was visibly happy that Shinichi was unable to confess his feelings to Ran, causing the Detective Boys to ask if "something good happened to her" (Shinichi, by contrast, was clearly depressed).

Needless to say, Haibara eventually warmed up to Ran during the Vermouth arc to the point where she began to see her as her big sister. But until then, I think she was definitely a rival.

Does Ran really have her happiness available right there, though? I'm still a bit concerned about the foreshadowing intended by the line, "[If I confess,] she would want to see me. If I said how I feel about her, she would miss me even more... all this time, I've been breaking her heart by keeping her waiting, yet I still can't appear before her eyes. I never want to see her cry anymore, even if it means I no longer exist in her heart." It seems like this particular issue hasn't in any way been resolved since V33. The conclusion Conan himself reached was that a confession of feelings will only lead to further unhappiness for Ran as she would desire to see him more. Conan/Shinichi, unlike Ran, has the peace of mind of knowing that he is around the woman he loves 24/7. Ran just doesn't. Sera could potentially be a comforting presence in her life.

As with any opinionated discussion, you have extremely valid points here. Especially with the Haibara point. She was on my mind, but I was thinking of more straightforward examples so I guess she didn't fall into that category. She was a subtle threat, I agree.

However, Ran didn't quite know about that. I mean, yes, she 'knew' at that point that Conan=Shinichi, but even so why would she look to Haibara as competition? We, as the readers, knew that Haibara could very well be a threat, but I personally don't think that Ran would've. She may have been curious about her in that a 'cute new girl' was hanging around with him, but I really don't think she'd go so far as to think 'Oh, she must be a shrunken teenager too. Wait, what if Shinichi likes her?'

You said it quite nicely. Haibara was definitely a contender at one point.

I suppose that was a bad way to word it. Sorry D: I guess what I should've said was that she can secure a relationship with Shinichi at this point. Truth be told, Ran will have things to go through regardless of what happens at this point (you know, other than dead bodies being everywhere). Also, the foreshadowing in that line that you're concerned about...is it the whole 'she'll worry more after the confession'? That's something that I can't really seem to wrap my head around. Essentially he's saying that if he confesses (which he did) she'll be even more heartbroken, but he didn't really get the choice in London with everything that went on (quote Sonoko: Seems like you forced it) Now that it's been said, she'll 'worry more', right? So far it doesn't seem like that's happened...if anything it almost seems like Ran is glad Shinichi isn't around as it'd be awkward. If that's really foreshadowing, maybe it happens because Ran meets a potential straightforward rival for Shinichi, thus thinking about him?

Anyway, at this point I'm having trouble figuring out what my points are. I've strayed a bit too xD To each their own, eh?

I guess, long story short, I just want some sort of straightforward rival for Shinichi's affection instead of Ran's (even if just one scene, that'd be awesome). Why straightforward? Because IMHO Gosho will not end in anything but ShinRan, so seeing some funny scenes with 'potential contenders' really makes my day.

[redangelran]

whoa, both sonoci and knightusmaximus have very interesting and logical deductions....!! both mekes sense....a lot ^^

that got me confused, at first i believed he, as in sera is a guy no doubt, but then, reading sonoci's deduction got my mind twisted...LOL...
i think i'll just look who presents more evidence between the wo of you...^^

but, personally though, i'd LOVE to see a shinichi's rival more than ran's rival.....XDD

can't wait for the next chap~!!!

[KnightusMaximus]

Essentially he's saying that if he confesses (which he did) she'll be even more heartbroken, but he didn't really get the choice in London with everything that went on (quote Sonoko: Seems like you forced it) Now that it's been said, she'll 'worry more', right? So far it doesn't seem like that's happened...if anything it almost seems like Ran is glad Shinichi isn't around as it'd be awkward. If that's really foreshadowing, maybe it happens because Ran meets a potential straightforward rival for Shinichi, thus thinking about him?

Thanks for the kind words and good point! I think Conan's prediction was a bit more long-term than we've seen so far. Ran's reaction has surprised a lot of people... but I think it's just early butterflies from realizing their relationship is more serious than she thought it was, nervousness about what it all means, and maybe just being unaccustomed to saying "lovey" things to her longtime friend. When those butterflies are gone, if/when they transition from a friendship to a relationship, I believe that's when it would lead to more hardship for Ran... at least according to the quote. That's without putting any rival in the picture, since lord knows how he/she fits in here. ^^

[sonoci]

Ran's reaction has surprised a lot of people... but I think it's just early butterflies from realizing their relationship is more serious than she thought it was, nervousness about what it all means, and maybe just being unaccustomed to saying "lovey" things to her longtime friend. When those butterflies are gone, if/when they transition from a friendship to a relationship, I believe that's when it would lead to more hardship for Ran... at least according to the quote. That's without putting any rival in the picture, since lord knows how he/she fits in here. ^^

I agree with this. Forgetting any rivals in the picture, I feel Ran's reaction/actions definitely won't stay the same for long. You phrased it pretty much perfectly: early butterflies. Once those are gone, then the foreshadowing come into play.

Going back to a rival though, I think what I'm hoping for here in more specifics is...well, something to distract Ran from missing Shinichi. Maybe having Sera as a rival in a more playful sense, I guess. For an example, I guess I'd use (and this is only because I can't think of anyone else ATM) Guy and Kakashi from Naruto. They aren't the best example as they don't(as far as I know) have a person to fight over, but their relation is like a battling friendship. Always playing games to see who wins, joking around all the time... Sort of how Heiji and Conan act on occasion (case on the ski-hill, kendo match, etc). If it were somehow for Shinichi, she would be reminded of him (obviously) and maybe worried, but I'm hoping not. As said, I'd like Sera to be not only competition but also a distraction.

Not to mention it'd be a bonus if Sera really does best Conan xD ...For some reason I can see her calling him 'Little Watson' (don't ask me why, I dunno)

whoa, both sonoci and knightusmaximus have very interesting and logical deductions....!! both mekes sense....a lot ^^

that got me confused, at first i believed he, as in sera is a guy no doubt, but then, reading sonoci's deduction got my mind twisted...LOL...
i think i'll just look who presents more evidence between the wo of you...^^

I'm surprised you'd group my deduction with the word 'logical' xD Anyway, twisting opinions is my main goal here, so that's awesome to read. At the end of this, I'll probably be wrong but I'll be able to look back and go 'Ah, that was fun'. In fact, for all upcoming cases, I'll probably end up speculating the most absurd thing and seeing if I'm right 

Maybe that calls for a change in title... 

[Puto]

I like how the new character said "Case Closed." Reference to the English title maybe? =P

[MaitreDétective]

I'm prepared to be disapointed with this rival. What if he is just a one-storyline character?

Even if Gosho-sensei says he's important, you never know



Oh, I've been thinking of something...What if it's Shinichi's cousin or other relative

[randompi314159]

The problem with Shinichi growing up too often is that it would go against the purpose of the drug and the fact he can't just pop up like that without putting those around him in danger. He didn't appear between volumes 26 and 62, and then he appeared 8 volumes later which I think was too soon. I hope Gosho waits at least 20 volumes to make him appear again, no matter how much the fans like the character.

Well this could also mean that, like the Ran figuring out the Shinichi=Conan thing, the series is coming closer to a conclusion. I also noticed the giant gap between the Shinichi reversions (as I love his 'surprise' returns) from the Desperate Revival to the whole Shinichi-plastic surgery copy cat thing and the recent London case and found it quite soon for another transformation. Though it was another transformation thing so I was really happy about that.

@sonoci - Yeah, sorry about prior ambiguity, I tend to do that sometimes. I'm for a girl, but in more of the sense that you recently posted as shown between Guy and Kakashi from Naruto. I think it would add more interest to the plot if Gosho went in this direction or as a female detective, since there seems to be a short supply of those in DC. But as a rival, after reading some of the new posts, I'd rather not have Sera be a rival in the whole Shinichi and Ran relationship, like KnightusMaximus and you have pointed out, there's been enough hardships and potential future hardships for those two.

And on a different note, awesome the new chapter's out. I wonder how the story will move along in this chapter.

[BlackToffy]

Sort of how Heiji and Conan act on occasion (case on the ski-hill, kendo match, etc).

Sound Interesting  

Ran and Sera , two rival but still friends  ;D


A Female heiji

[kholoudsafir]

Conan's reaction towards the new character is what confuses me to decide between a girl or boy. I feel Sera is a girl, Conan's blushing is one reason of many others. However, I can not understand Conan's annoyance when S/he said is going to the same hotel and the way he was looking at her/him there while arguing with the receptionist. It does not add up in my mind.

[Akonyl]

maybe logically he thinks Sera's a dude, but instinctually he has a feeling Sera's actually a girl (sorta like Ran thinking Conan=Conan, though every once in a while she reacts as if he's Shinichi) :V

[Helen]

I've read a users responses and assured that Sera is a boy

(( that is good .. wonna boy not girl ))


I think that Sera will spend in the hotel with Ran and Sonoko's room LOL

I really can't wait for next file .. !