(SPOILERS) Questions left unanswered at the end of the train

[MagicianUndertheMoonlight]

Lets tackle all of you at once.

First. Why I am almost sure that KID appeared as Akai - Timing. After this a few seconds, and then the car they were in blew up. Remember the Train they are on is moving over a bridge at the time. You can not just jump off, unless you flew like KID. Also note no one left by taking the route Bourbon took to escape. If it was Akai then he is either dead for real; he was never there, Bourbon only thought he saw him; or IMO KID appeared as him. KID escaped but bearly. He can fly off the train.  Again if Akai, how he get away?

I'm pretty sure that's impossible if you look at the frames. Akai appears behind Bourbon at the other end of the car while he's looking forward at Shiho after she shuts the door and holding her at gunpoint.

[ShinRan4ver]

I don't think this arc was about revealing Bourbon and then having him get taken by the FBI or the police. I think this file was meant to finally advance the story and change the dynamics of the characters that was kind of stagnating for months now.

Agreed 100%, if Bourbon was to be caugh by the FBI or Police by the next file(which is sstimson's "no way do they leave the station" scenario) why would Gosho have Bourbon ask Vermouth about the Akai file? That's a clear set-up for Bourbon's investigation into Akai's fake death in the upcoming chapters, which won't happen if they were both captured by the police or FBI at the station. The way the aftermath is set up is not hinting either BO member at the station to be captured/detained, it is clearly set up for them to escape without trouble.

[GinRei]

First. Why I am almost sure that KID appeared as Akai

You lost any reason for anyone to continue reading with this.  Akai appears behind Bourbon, not from where "Shiho" was.  And on what basis can you say no one left the same way Bourbon did?  Akai was between Bourbon and his exit, tossed a grenade, and disappeared.  Clearly he left the same way.  The only one who was caught in the explosion was "Shiho", who was Kid.  This is why you see "Shiho" on Kid's glider, who then rips off Shiho's face and has Kid's face.  I really don't see how one can argue this.

Fourth. The FBI can ask the Japanese Police to detail suspects through OFFICIAL CHANNELS. BO members are without question terrorist. That kind of crime is international and if Washington ask for TOM and Jane to be detain, why do you think that Tom and Jane will not be detained. All the FBI needs to do is talk to their higher ups in Washington to make that happen. I sure that Vermouth is wanted by the FBI and the Japanese police for Child Endangerment, Shooting a officer in the line of duty, and kidnapping. Remember Jodie was told to tell the Police she got caught up in a kidnapping case. Vermouth being arrested is No problem.

Got proof?  No?  Then they can't be arrested.  At best they can be detained and questioned, but after a set, short period of time they have to be released.  That's kind of the entire purpose of the BO.  They don't leave evidence.  Ever.

[Kor]

I really didn't want to say this, but...

Hey sstimson, remember all of your crazy theories about Bourbon, Okiya, Amuro, etc, that turned out to be completely wrong? Well, they are in the exact same line of thought as these:

First. Why I am almost sure that KID appeared as Akai - Timing. After this a few seconds, and then the car they were in blew up. Remember the Train they are on is moving over a bridge at the time. You can not just jump off, unless you flew like KID. Also note no one left by taking the route Bourbon took to escape. If it was Akai then he is either dead for real; he was never there, Bourbon only thought he saw him; or IMO KID appeared as him. KID escaped but barely. He can fly off the train.  Again if Akai, how he get away?

Second. You suggest Bourbon does not know about Haibara. Why not. Vermouth, even though she is sure she is right, is not going to let a chance like this get away. If Haibara did not appear like Sherry, you think that Vermouth did not have a backup plan? I sure she also told Bourbon to grab Haibara if she should appear. After all Haibara might have been cut off from the drug, and even though she can not act as Sherry, she would stiill try to end the BO's threat to her friends. Look at the haunted ship if you want proof.

Third. With Yukiko being there, we can be sure Conan called in the troops, and that would include the FBI. I almost sure that while they are behind the scene, they know what is going on. We know Conan was listening in to His Mom and Vermouth. He might have made a conference call to Jodie so she call also listen in. After all that call must be recorded if his mom were to have been shot. I can not see him or his mom take such chances without being very prepared. Again Look at the haunted ship if you want proof.

Fourth. The FBI can ask the Japanese Police to detail suspects through OFFICIAL CHANNELS. BO members are without question terrorist. That kind of crime is international and if Washington ask for Tom and Jane to be detained, why do you think that Tom and Jane will not be detained. All the FBI needs to do is talk to their higher ups in Washington to make that happen. I sure that Vermouth is wanted by the FBI and the Japanese police for Child Endangerment, Shooting a officer in the line of duty, and Kidnapping. Remember Jodie was told to tell the Police she got caught up in a kidnapping case. Vermouth being arrested is No problem.

Fourth A. Bourbon threatening Kidnapping should also have been recorded. After all another conference call almost for sure to have happened with KID as well. Why send KID into such danger unless to make sure that if KID gets killed, his murdered is caught. That should also be grounds for detainment.

The question becomes will the FBI take advantage of having two BO members in Police custody, or will they allow such dangerous people to escape?

And finally this question. This whole train case screams FBI trap. Why would the BO walk willing into such a trap? If I was BO, I would find it funny that after a long while, Sherry by chance just shows up with a special train ring. Yes It might be our best chance to get her, but I make sure my agents know it is likely they are walking into a trap and to be extra careful. Evidence of this is shown by Gin and Vodka taking a hands off role during an very important assignment.

You might want to start changing your ways of making theories, as we've already discussed this matter in this hilarious thread.

[Kleene Onigiri]

I'm confused why Haibara ran away from Okiya, while she befriended him some files before :V

I read it more as a "signal". Okiya signaled Haibara that it was time to set the plan in motion, and Haibara simply went into hiding.

Another possibility would be that Okiya's mention about her sister would rekindle Haibara's suspicions (because the worst case scenario would be that Okiya knew Akemi through the BO, and we all know Haibara's an expert at taking only the WCS in consideration) and force her to flee and hide. If I have to guess, then I'd say Conan filled her in on the rest of the plan once she was hiding.

That could be a possibility, but Haibara didn't know about the video before the DBs told her about it and in that same moment, she got the "Vermouth" message and she left the room after that. Then she was in thoughts and crying, encountering Okiya and thinking: "I can't be killed looking like this" (or similar) and running away from Okiya :V

So it looks like she didn't know of any plan yet at that moment (after that Okiya probably caught her and talked with her).

But if she trusted Okiya before the train-case, then she would have to know that Okiya has some connection to the BO, because Haibara doesn't really know anyone else outside of the BO that she didn't encounter after she shrunk (conan, agasa, DBs etcc.) and could identify them while disguised.
But maybe she thought she misjudged Okiya? Or that he's Vermouth? O_o" Or Haibara just panicked XD

[AICHAN]

As you said I think she just panicked...I hope the next file will explain what really happened.

[S.Vineyard]

Jep, she just panicked. If it's about the BO, Ai still gets easily fearmongered.

[Kleene Onigiri]

If she just panicked then it's kinda meh imo D:

[AICHAN]

If she just panicked then it's kinda meh imo D:

Yeah it's annoying if she just panicked.She should be able to deduce that Okiya wasn't an ennemy after making the link Okiya=Akai,and after the comment about the sister thing.I hope there is a better explanation than just"she panicked and run away from Okiya"

[yamiangie]

Lets tackle all of you at once.

First. Why I am almost sure that KID appeared as Akai - Timing. After this a few seconds, and then the car they were in blew up. Remember the Train they are on is moving over a bridge at the time. You can not just jump off, unless you flew like KID. Also note no one left by taking the route Bourbon took to escape. If it was Akai then he is either dead for real; he was never there, Bourbon only thought he saw him; or IMO KID appeared as him. KID escaped but barely. He can fly off the train.  Again if Akai, how he get away?

Second. You suggest Bourbon does not know about Haibara. Why not. Vermouth, even though she is sure she is right, is not going to let a chance like this get away. If Haibara did not appear like Sherry, you think that Vermouth did not have a backup plan? I sure she also told Bourbon to grab Haibara if she should appear. After all Haibara might have been cut off from the drug, and even though she can not act as Sherry, she would stiill try to end the BO's threat to her friends. Look at the haunted ship if you want proof.

Third. With Yukiko being there, we can be sure Conan called in the troops, and that would include the FBI. I almost sure that while they are behind the scene, they know what is going on. We know Conan was listening in to His Mom and Vermouth. He might have made a conference call to Jodie so she call also listen in. After all that call must be recorded if his mom were to have been shot. I can not see him or his mom take such chances without being very prepared. Again Look at the haunted ship if you want proof.

Fourth. The FBI can ask the Japanese Police to detail suspects through OFFICIAL CHANNELS. BO members are without question terrorist. That kind of crime is international and if Washington ask for Tom and Jane to be detained, why do you think that Tom and Jane will not be detained. All the FBI needs to do is talk to their higher ups in Washington to make that happen. I sure that Vermouth is wanted by the FBI and the Japanese police for Child Endangerment, Shooting a officer in the line of duty, and Kidnapping. Remember Jodie was told to tell the Police she got caught up in a kidnapping case. Vermouth being arrested is No problem.

Fourth A. Bourbon threatening Kidnapping should also have been recorded. After all another conference call almost for sure to have happened with KID as well. Why send KID into such danger unless to make sure that if KID gets killed, his murdered is caught. That should also be grounds for detainment.

The question becomes will the FBI take advantage of having two BO members in Police custody, or will they allow such dangerous people to escape?

And finally this question. This whole train case screams FBI trap. Why would the BO walk willing into such a trap? If I was BO, I would find it funny that after a long while, Sherry by chance just shows up with a special train ring. Yes It might be our best chance to get her, but I make sure my agents know it is likely they are walking into a trap and to be extra careful. Evidence of this is shown by Gin and Vodka taking a hands off role during an very important assignment.

I think it was Okyia as Akai. In chapter 823 you can see Sera's hat in her room, later Ran said she found it on the floor in a corridor.  Kid closed that door because he was making to grab his glider and jump for it since they were almost to a bridge.

[El Huesudo II]

If she just panicked then it's kinda meh imo D:

Haibara panicking is not that much of a copout. Remember she's terrified of Vermouth, terrified enough to be willing to die if it meant she got away from her. So her panicking in the train is perfectly in-character.

[sonoci]

This was on the first page, but

· Did Conan hear that Amuro is Bourbon?
Most likely. If Kid didn't tell him, then most likely Akai will. That is, assuming Conan didn't know since the very beginning of the case. Which would explain this scene: his smile as he looked at the window could have been because he saw Amuro's reflection on it, as he signaled Vermouth.

I'm pretty sure Conan's smile on that page is more of a "Aha, I see my reflection which has revealed the trick of this case to me" smile. For a better frame that makes Conan look suspicious of Amuro, I'd say we look toward the one where he's looking at Amuro suspiciously from behind Kogoro when Amuro arrives on the scene

EDIT: Also, prediction for next file - Ran is out on a karate tournament and Kogoro has to go on a case, so who stays around to babysit? AMURO  ...I, personally, believe that this scenario would be rife with possibilities :x It would also let us see just how much Conan knows from his reaction.

Conan: Oh shiz, Bourbon is babysitting me ._.

[User 4869]

When DC cases don't turn out as they hope.

Chek's solution. Have Gosho in her basement rewrites it.
Sonoci'solution. Write it herself. Yay!  8-)

I mean,why don't come up with a comic and brags when it tun out to be true?



And yes Conan look at the window because he see reflection of himself.

[Conan-chandesune]

· Did Conan hear that Amuro is Bourbon?
Ans. He's Probably in touch with KID and KID MUST have told him about Amuro.

· If yes, is he going to do anything about it?
Ans.That's Gosho's cue.

· What did Okiya tell/do with Haibara?
Ans.I think Okiya Told her to get ready as the plan was in motion (He's on Yukiko's Team after all!!)

· Does anybody in that group know Okiya and Akai are the same person?
Ans. Yukiko and most probably Conan do.

· Is Sherry officially dead to the BO?
Ans. Gin and Bourbon must think so.

· What's Amuro going to do?
Ans.Probably stay undercover for a while (if he meets Ai, he may put two and two together and spice things up)

· What does Sera know?
Ans. She probably has no idea that Okiya is Akai~~, But she knows conan's secret thats for sure!

· Did meeting her (fake) brother change anything?
Ans. She will probably believe even more readily that Akai is alive and search for him feverently.

· What was she doing there to begin with since she clearly believed Akai to be very much dead?
Ans.She probably came to Japan to avenge him.

· What's the source of Amuro and Akai's rivalry?
Ans. Over Akemi Miyano~~~

· What's the connection between Amuro and Wataru Daté?
Ans. STUMPED

· Given Sherry's supposedly dead to the BO, will Amuro stay as KogorÅ

[bluekarlo]

so it's 100% that Okiya = Akai?