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[Zurah]

Hi!
I am a little behind the translations. The last chapter I saw was that one where Rena killed Akai (fake or not, I don't want to guess). Can anyone tell me which chapter this was so I can start cownloading the next chapters?

That would be chapter 609.  It's currently up to 642 (643 this week's chapter).

Thanks a lot!

[EvilOtaku]

In all seriousnessnessness, that's why I completely agree. Can anyone really say that Okiya = Akai and Okiya = Bourbon? He can't be both. Do you really, honestly think Gin would have any of that? (lol) To me, it sounds like Bourbon is more of an 'international' P.I. without much regard for the law. Sounds more like an intel-mercenary, if anything.

What if the real Oyika is Bourbon, and Akai is just assuming Okiya/Bourbon's identity. Bourbon could be out of the country or Akai may have already gotten the real Okiya out of the way.

Just a thought.

[EdogawaConanTantei]

I barely ever read the manga.. but I know about what's happening with Akai(or "isn't happening").. yet the reason why I say that is.. isn't it almost too obvious that Okiya is Akai?

[Aluecard]

true that JD i cant wait my self

[VideoFan9864]

If this okiya guy is really bourbon then it would be too straightforward.
However if he turns out to be a new character then it would be the same as what happened with vermouth where they made it look like jodie was her. However one fact is missing if okiya is a new character. There must be someone closeby and unexpected that would be the true bourbon. The only description given to him is one that has the skills of a detective and not a master of disguises. Besides why would bourbon start investigating in beika city? The last contact the organization has with sherry is the pisco case and even the great gin concluded that she is not in beika city. The only purpose I can see for him to investigate there is that he is smarter than gin and concluded sherry is in beika city after all. But why have he not reported the info yet?

[TanteiRené]

Whether Jodie knows him or not is a different story. She doesn't show any signs of having talked to Akai about Conan too much. Every time she does mention him, Akai just says 'Oh, that boy?' (seems pretty genuine to me, hmm?)

Another spin on that thought....

Akai has to be good at lying, right? He says "Oh, that boy?" to be misleading: he's intelligent enough to know Conan is 1. Not who he says he is 2. A personality created from conflict with the black org and 3. not wanting very many people to know his true identity. So, Akai works with Conan but tries to cover for Conan as well. Maybe he does realize that Conan=Shinichi. Maybe Conan revealed it himself. All I know is this: Akai knows when to keep his thoughts to himself.

[Quiet Lurker]

One important point on Okiya's identity is Ran's perspective of Okiya when she first met him in File 638; she claims to feel that she seen him somewhere before.
It's pretty similar to how she felt when she saw Akai the first time in the series. (i.e. Ran couldn't remember where she saw Akai until the flashback in File 354.)

Since Ran claims that she might have seen Okiya somewhere before, Okiya CANNOT be a new character.
- There is a very high likelihood that Okiya is Akai.
- If Okiya is not Akai but really a loyal Black Organization operative, then he is most likely Vermouth in disguise, since she is the only Black Organization member Ran has met so far.

[TanteiRené]

One important point on Okiya's identity is Ran's perspective of Okiya when she first met him in File 638; she claims to feel that she seen him somewhere before.
It's pretty similar to how she felt when she saw Akai the first time in the series. (i.e. Ran couldn't remember where she saw Akai until the flashback in File 354.)

Since Ran claims that she might have seen Okiya somewhere before, Okiya CANNOT be a new character.
- There is a very high likelihood that Okiya is Akai.
- If Okiya is not Akai but really a loyal Black Organization operative, then he is most likely Vermouth in disguise, since she is the only Black Organization member Ran has met so far.

You have a very good point.

But Okiya's 'detective' skills (when Ran and Sonoko first meet him and he's brushing his teeth, you know?) make me lean toward the "Okiya=Akai" crowd. Just because Vermouth didn't usually show off skills in the way that Okiya does. Maybe its just because she's good at disguises. I don't know. Maybe I haven't read enough of the stuff with her in it. I don't know. But in my experience, she doesn't reveal that she can tell a lot about people just by the way they appear/act (before she gets to know them). Am I making sense?

[Flippy]

I don't think that Okiya = Burbon. It just seems far too obvious, just like the Jodie = Vermouth thing with Jodie drinking sherry during the case where Hattori and Conan go to her apartment.
I think that Akai probably knows about Conan being shrunk, because he knows about Sherry, but I don't think he knows about Conan being Kudo. Jodie probably does know though, because she has pictures from when Kudo shows up at the high school play thing and probably figured out by their personalities and also seeing as everyone knows that Kudo disappeared, and Conan showing up at around the same time, she could probably like the two together.
I would like to think that Akai is alive, but I doubt he is Okiya. Ran said to Sonoko, when they first met Okiya that she didn't trust him. But Ran said to Conan that she didn't think Akai was a bad guy because of the time in New York when she saw him with an FBI agent

[ppan91]

I guess Okiya is Rena's father who is still alive and disguised. He is said by Gin to be alive still and have disguised himself in Vol 53-54. Guess this is a possibilty since Ai can sense him as he ONCE was a BO member

[Rellik]

What would Rena's father gain from living at the kid's home? and later on Shinichi's home? Besides, it's not possible to be alive from a head shot with a gun right in front of you. And the bite on his wrist would have made his hand immobile for life.

[ppan91]

Well, we had never expected Dr Araide to be Vermouth and Rena to be a CIA agent, had we? It will only be when Gosho reveals it that we know about it.