Kaitou Kid's Role in the long run?

[Nyarl]

I'm growing pretty certain that Sharon training under Touichi will be linked to the Pandora gem myth somehow. Maybe only to show Conan that the Org. really was interested in immortality/perpetual youth myths, since he didn't want to believe that his Shiho was the one in the Dugong Arrow lottery registry. The hint Chekov noticed that Vermouth might have become Sharon like she became Chris makes me think it really is a significant possibility that she used Pandora herself, or uses the myth as a red herring for people who somehow learn of her longevity. Either way, I think Kid's roll will be limited to tipping Conan off about that.

[Tenken]

I think Kaito's role has become more significant as more details have been added, such as:
- Sharon training under Toichi
- Kaito's mother being a thief

On the other hand, MAGIC KAITO anime has just begun, so there's a high possibility that Gosho will continue working on MK after DC is finished.

[kyuuketsuki]

Honestly, if Kid gets involved at all, I'd only want it to be to gain information in disguise. And it would be fun for him to pass it to Conan in his usual riddle style.

But other than that... the two should remain separate.

[randompi314159]

I think Kaito's role has become more significant as more details have been added, such as:
- Sharon training under Toichi
- Kaito's mother being a thief

On the other hand, MAGIC KAITO anime has just begun, so there's a high possibility that Gosho will continue working on MK after DC is finished.

Yeah, Magic Kaito was pretty interesting. And while Kid has some connections with the characters, still wondering if anything else will be added in.

[scineram]

That chapter in Magic Kaito which was animated in 219, how did Kudo come into that?

[mangaluva]

That chapter in Magic Kaito which was animated in 219, how did Kudo come into that?

In the manga, Shinichi just showed up because he was curious about Kid, I think. Kaito was actually reminiscing about that encounter before going off to steal the Black Star, after Jii had A Bad Feeling About This and Kaito said the last time that happened was at the clock tower. The anime was pretty much identical.

I think the reason for it was that the chapter was one of the "special" chapters released after DC began running, and I guess there was some fangirl pressure to see the Heisei Holmes vs the Heisei Lupin XDXD hence, that most useful plot device: The Flashback!

[Meitantei-Shinichi]

I'm growing pretty certain that Sharon training under Touichi will be linked to the Pandora gem myth somehow. Maybe only to show Conan that the Org. really was interested in immortality/perpetual youth myths, since he didn't want to believe that his Shiho was the one in the Dugong Arrow lottery registry. The hint Chekov noticed that Vermouth might have become Sharon like she became Chris makes me think it really is a significant possibility that she used Pandora herself, or uses the myth as a red herring for people who somehow learn of her longevity. Either way, I think Kid's roll will be limited to tipping Conan off about that.

Agree

[caribou]

I don't think Kaito Kid will have a key role in DC's main storyline... (and I hope not, I want to see Magic Kaito finished with its own storyline!)

I don't mind if he (maybe) just says or does something that triggers Conan's realisation to solve some final mystery about the BO (you know, that last moment in every case when he figures everything out...) but I wouldn't want the Pandora's Gem and BO storyline to merge. :/ Similarly I don't mind if Conan/Shinichi makes a cameo in MK...

[sstimson]

I'm growing pretty certain that Sharon training under Touichi will be linked to the Pandora gem myth somehow. Maybe only to show Conan that the Org. really was interested in immortality/perpetual youth myths, since he didn't want to believe that his Shiho was the one in the Dugong Arrow lottery registry. The hint Chekov noticed that Vermouth might have become Sharon like she became Chris makes me think it really is a significant possibility that she used Pandora herself, or uses the myth as a red herring for people who somehow learn of her longevity. Either way, I think Kid's roll will be limited to tipping Conan off about that.

I am sorry But I believe that Sharon was a REAL Friend of Shinichi's Mother. The events in NEW YORK strongly suggest this. I think she joined the BO Just before she became Chris. I will say it this way Vermouth IS Sharon. And yes there is the question of Unnamed killer. Remember it is important NOT to believe all you read

[Nyarl]

I'm growing pretty certain that Sharon training under Touichi will be linked to the Pandora gem myth somehow. Maybe only to show Conan that the Org. really was interested in immortality/perpetual youth myths, since he didn't want to believe that his Shiho was the one in the Dugong Arrow lottery registry. The hint Chekov noticed that Vermouth might have become Sharon like she became Chris makes me think it really is a significant possibility that she used Pandora herself, or uses the myth as a red herring for people who somehow learn of her longevity. Either way, I think Kid's roll will be limited to tipping Conan off about that.

I am sorry But I believe that Sharon was a REAL Friend of Shinichi's Mother. The events in NEW YORK strongly suggest this. I think she joined the BO Just before she became Chris. I will say it this way Vermouth IS Sharon. And yes there is the question of Unnamed killer. Remember it is important NOT to believe all you read

She was certainly an Org. agent who claimed to be hunting Shuuichi during the Golden Apple case, she and Gin talk about that at the end of Halloween Party/Full Moon Showdown. She might've been "Chris" instead of "Sharon" to the Org., but she was definitely Org. If you assume corroborative conversations are false without good reason, why assume any exposition in the manga is true? OMG, Conan is the boss and he's actually framing everyone who's a victim of his "deductions"!!!

[sstimson]

I am just remembering the Jodie vs Vermouth where we were lead to think that Jodie was Vermouth. I simply do not want to be lead by the nose as the Author might be doing it again. 

[mangaluva]

Sharon and Yukiko certainly seem to have been true friends; after all, just because you're a criminal bitch doesn't mean you don't get friends, right? Besides, Vermouth doesn't seem to hold the Organization's best interests in high regard, and I guess she relishes somethinf of a good, "normal" life. However normal life around the Kudo family gets.

But we're getting off-topic. Why are we talking about Sharon when we can talk about KID?

I do think that there might be a connection between Kid's enemies and Conan's. I don't think they're the same organization (despite remaining off the police radar for the most part, Kid's enemies just don't possess the finesse and relative subtlety of the BO) but there has to be some connection, simply because the BO is the sort to have a lot of fingers in some very nice pies, and I can't imagine them passing on such a large and possibly rival criminal group. They likely have some influence or connection to them, perhaps just enough that if Conan perhaps caught Snake or one of his cronies on a heist, they might have some useful information...

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

I am sorry But I believe that Sharon was a REAL Friend of Shinichi's Mother. The events in NEW YORK strongly suggest this. I think she joined the BO Just before she became Chris. I will say it this way Vermouth IS Sharon. And yes there is the question of Unnamed killer. Remember it is important NOT to believe all you read.

I think you misunderstood Nyarl. Sharon/Vermouth being the friend of Yukiko and an Org member at the same time are not mutually exclusive. In regards to when Vermouth joined the BO, we know Sharon/Vermouth was in the Org at least 20 years before the current timeline because of Jodie's past: Vermouth killed her father, an FBI agent who was investigating her as Sharon Vineyard (I assume), presumably on the Org's orders. ^{1 2} The fingerprint she left at that time on Jodie's father's glasses was the clue that linked Vermouth/Sharon to Chris Vineyard proving Vermouth=Sharon=Chris.
By unnamed killer, do you mean the serial murderer with the long silver hair Vermouth disguised as in order to ambush Akai or someone else?

I am just remembering the Jodie vs Vermouth where we were lead to think that Jodie was Vermouth. I simply do not want to be lead by the nose as the Author might be doing it again. 

Gosho didn't just randomly dupe everyone, there were plenty of hints given out about the real identities and allegiances of the unknown people. Most importantly, Gosho never lied about anything. At worst he tried to misdirect suspicion to certain characters by making them appear stalkerish and have mysterious conversations that on the surface sounded damning, but on the second read through, everything fits with the truth and the previously mysterious Jodie/Araide/Akai/J. Black dynamics all make sense. Figuring out the character allegiances is primarily a matter of noticing the clues (Photographs of photographs, Araide switching from BsktBll to Drama club, Jodie not in stolen files, etc...), but a good chunk of it is ignoring the irrational suspicion and emotionlessly analyzing the character's actions at face value.

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Re: Mangaluva and Nyarl in general

If it's Kid and the plot, there might be another angle where the thief may tie in outside of Vermouth - oddly enough through Akai Shuuichi. Remember Kinoshita and Billy from Agasa's lost love case? Abs. pointed out they look exactly like the suspicious people who Akai had follow Yukiko and the detective boys during the darkness is a death trap case (417-419). See for yourself!

Spoiler:

If anything, this means they are FBI agents or at least allies of Akai rather than antagonists. It turns out that "Kinoshita" (木之下) of Kinoshita Misa is a rarer variant of the more common spelling "木下". Jumping back a ways, when the Magician lovers club (chap 192, ep 132) were talking about their favorite magicians, one of them mentioned liking one "Kinoshita Yoshiro" who incidentally has the same unusual spelling variant for Kinoshita (Abs. confirmed). Kinoshita Yoshiro is dead already, and we know Kinoshita Misa left suddenly for some reason during the school year and has a stepfather currently, which could mean that this magician was her father. So possibly Kuroba Kaito --> Kuroba Toichi --> Kinoshita Yoshiro --> Kinoshita Misa --> Akai Shuuichi. Of course it could all be an incidental naming coincidence... I am vaguely reminded of one of the lover pairs from the mafia games now...

[sstimson]

I am sorry But I believe that Sharon was a REAL Friend of Shinichi's Mother. The events in NEW YORK strongly suggest this. I think she joined the BO Just before she became Chris. I will say it this way Vermouth IS Sharon. And yes there is the question of Unnamed killer. Remember it is important NOT to believe all you read.

I think you misunderstood Nyarl. Sharon/Vermouth being the friend of Yukiko and an Org member at the same time are not mutually exclusive. In regards to when Vermouth joined the BO, we know Sharon/Vermouth was in the Org at least 20 years before the current timeline because of Jodie's past: Vermouth killed her father, an FBI agent who was investigating her as Sharon Vineyard (I assume), presumably on the Org's orders. ^{1 2} The fingerprint she left at that time on Jodie's father's glasses was the clue that linked Vermouth/Sharon to Chris Vineyard proving Vermouth=Sharon=Chris.
By unnamed killer, do you mean the serial murderer with the long silver hair Vermouth disguised as in order to ambush Akai or someone else?

You do not find it funny That Ran might have saved Sharon life at the studio ( yes she basically saved Rose but it was a 'Look out kind" and Then the Killer ( will not say vermouth) almost kills her and then ask Ran why did you save me? If there were sharon would they not know that is Ran's nature. Also I find it funny That the killer if Sharon could just out and out kill her friend's kid and his girl who might have saved her earlier?

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

You do not find it funny That Ran might have saved Sharon life at the studio ( yes she basically saved Rose but it was a 'Look out kind"

You should review the manga again. It was Ran who saved Rose by jumping to push her out of the way. Also, Ran was the one who noticed the armor falling in the first place. Vermouth never did anything.

Spoiler:

and Then the Killer ( will not say vermouth) almost kills her and then ask Ran why did you save me? If there were Sharon would they not know that is Ran's nature. Also I find it funny That the killer if Sharon could just out and out kill her friend's kid and his girl who might have saved her earlier?

So what? Vermouth can be ruthless. She is doing her job, eliminating interfering factors like she is supposed to. I think this incident was an important turning point for Vermouth's character. In any case it has been strongly established by info from after the case and Vermouth herself that she was the silver haired serial killer in New York in disguise trying to lure out Akai Shuuichi. See this discussion starting here.