Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 903-905: Poolside Case (New rules, please read!)

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i would see 904 agreeing with me and it also gave me more explanation to the point it became almost certain , what i mean is :
1- the tank can be filled with lighter gas to make the body float
2-this gas could be some kind of drug affecting muscle contraction , remember there's a case in the beginning of the series when some doctor did it to kill someone by reducing the heart muscle working rate (muscle relaxant or something)
3- could be poisonous or connected to nerve system

my only question was , what was he hiding? .
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Kor wrote:
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EDIT: Also, I kinda hope Conan isn't worthy of their expectations, so Sera and mystery kid leave XD
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LOL that would be nice XDXD but then we would have wasted our time on the mystery girl for nothing(on the other hand,we did waste our time with the Bourbon arc)
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Is file 904 out yet?
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@shinouray91: DCTP will no longer provide links to the Chinese scanlations. You'll have to search for them yourself.
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Okay, so its out right?
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@shinrouya91: Yes, it's out. But you'll have to search for it yourself.
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jimmy_kud0_tv2 wrote:
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After reading the chapter over and over I just want to point these things out before the next chapter surfaces

The Fiance / Company Secretary seems a bit suspicious. He rubs oil on the victim and at that time is close enough to her to take the necklace right before it is pointed out to be missing (although this could also be done by the step sister). He is the one that suggests that the necklace fell off in the pool, he is also the one who brought the scuba tank because he thought it would be needed. He also rushed straight to the body before anyone else could get there, which is usually used as a way for culprits to hide evidence. When he said what place he went to search for her, he said that she wasn't at their home, presumably away from the hotel. If the other people who were searching thought that he had left the hotel, he would have the ability to move around in areas that he knew were already searched, like the pool "10 minutes ago".

The Hotel Manager is suspicious because of how he acted when they saw the body in the pool. He had supposedly just come from searching for the victim, which means while he was standing in the lobby he was probably wearing shoes of some kind. When they begin running for the pool he takes the time to take off his jacket and shoes, and socks if he had any, but we can't see if he did. If it is later pointed out that he had socks on, then taking the time to take his socks off on the way into the pool would seem suspicious, especially since he was the one who stepped on the glass shards. Maybe his foot already had a glass cut on it and he is just covering it up by being in the pool sock-less and standing where he knows glass shards are to make it seem like it just happened?

As for motives, there seem to be three things that could be the possible motive. There was the fact that there may be a plan to steal half of the inheritance of the family, there is the death of the Step Sister's mother, and the general having to marry someone who even mistreats her own family. Judging by previous cases across the series, previous deaths are usually the motive for what happens in the present, but maybe it will be something else this time?

Honestly the whole inheritance thing seems like a bit of a misdirection since even the manager of the hotel tells her that she is over thinking it, meaning he may know the real reason for the other two meeting in the hotel. They could be planning something like a birthday party, or even the wedding since the victim and the secretary are engaged. You know, something that would need time to plan and would require a large venue like a hotel...
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Looks like all I got so far was the birthday part, well that's what the suspects say at least.

so now we seem to have some sort of time frame.
12:05 Hotel manager goes back to the pool and sees her and is told he is in the way and to get out
12:?? Samaki goes into the pool area and doesn't see her and waits around thinking she may be in bathroom
12:54 Hamaka is called to look, passes Samaki who is leaving, thinks her watch has the wrong time, asks the staff for time
01:00 A reservation to eat lunch at the hotel
Death occurred sometime between 12 noon and 1pm.

1:50-ish they return and ask if the staff was sure she hadn't left the pool
2:00 body discovered in pool with shards of a glass tank and 50 meters of fishing line

Something is really bothering me about the things that the Fiance Samaki has said. First, he is the one who says that the necklace probably fell off in the pool, which got the victim in the water. Second, he is the one who brought the scuba gear saying that he knew she would want it. As if he knew he was going to create the situation where he knew she would need it. Third, his reason for coming back to find her was to tell her to let someone else look for it. This seems to contradict the personality of someone who loves a hotel room so much that she would literally kick people out of the room to have it her way. Fourth, by saying that he waited around in the pool area because she might have been in the restroom, that gives him a reason to have been in there for a while with out anyone else entering. Fifth, supposedly he called Hamaka and asked her to search the restrooms and locker rooms and passed her on his way out.

However the Hotel manager still strikes me as odd. Why would he need to go talk to the victim so soon after they were all thrown out of the pool area? Did he want to tell her that she was mistaken about her Fiance and half-sister meeting in the hotel and possibly spoil the surprise party to at least ease her mind? Or maybe he had questions about the Oisou Finance Group that owns the hotel? He is the only person and last person to report seeing the victim alive after the three of them left the room. If he is the killer, why would he do this? Wouldn't it be better to just say she was already missing at this point and make people think that the killer somehow entered the room without being seen. If he did kill her and then said he saw her alive, then hid the body, the next person to enter would definitely say that they didn't see her and suspicion would be cast on him for being the last person claiming to see her. BUT WHY DID HE GO THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE???

Knowing my luck, the killer would be the Half-sister Hakama. The only problem I see is how she could set up the trick. She would have to have set it up while they were all in the pool together, then sprung the trap exactly between the Hotel manager leaving the pool area and Samaki entering the pool area. Then she would somehow need Samaki to call her back to the scene, then enter the pool area and reveal the body so it could be found 10 minutes later. Its just weird though. How would she set up the trap and not be seen? How would she set it to spring when no one was there (between the hotel manager leaving and before Samaki arrive) to make sure no one saw the trap in action and would try to save her? It just seem to make her innocent to me....

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The biggest question I have is... with all four of them in the pool at the beginning of the search, wouldn't it only take like a combined 10 minutes or so to search the whole bottom of the pool, especially if the water was shallow enough to stand up in? The manager went back in rather quickly as he probably though it would be found rather quickly and wanted to talk to her about something alone before she left. His reason for being in there for more than a few minutes is that she didn't notice him at first but then noticed him and told him to leave. Whatever his reason for going back in to the pool area, this could have easily been motive to kill her and then set up the trick to hide the body. Then if anyone came to look for her, they wouldn't find her. That then begs the question of why Samaki would think that it would take much longer for her to find the necklace and return to the pool later than the Hotel manager. When he was back in the pool area, he was in there for a while and claimed that he waited around because he counldn't find her and thought she might have been in the bathroom. This gives him at least reasonable amount of time to kill her and set up a trick to hide the body as well. Motive could be something from their high school days, the inheritance, or even the death of the half-sister's mother somehow.


two weeks until next file >_<....
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English translation of File 905, pp. 15+16:
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Title: The truth rises to the surface

[p.15]

Sera: I’m sorry I wasn’t able to entertain you better after you went out of your way to drop by …

Ran: It’s not your fault, what with that case happening …

Sonoko: But really, it reminded a bit of that case at the “Which Sweets? Show” …
You make people disappear and appear from the most unlikely places …

Sonoko: Just like a wizard …

Sera: A wizard?

Sera: I’m not the one …

Sera: Who’s a wizard!

Conan (thoughts): Oh?

Ran (thoughts): Ah!

Little Sera: You’re a wizard, right? <3

Ran: Ah …

Ran: Could it be …

[p.16]

Ran: Sera-chan, could it be ...

Ran: That you and I previously ...

Sonoko: Aha! You just called her Sera-chan!

Ran: Ah, I’m sorry ...

Sera: It’s fine! I don’t mind being called Sera-chan.

Sera: Alright, see you around!

Ran: Yeah.

Sonoko: Bye!

Ran (thoughts): Huh?

Ran (thoughts): That girl too …

Ran (thoughts): I feel like I previously …

[Side note:] It looks like Ran has already met Sera and the “Little sister from outside the domain” before … ?! The Sera sisters are wrapped up in mystery! Next time, new series!
Edit: Added page 15.
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Thanks Fuji as usual^^
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Heh ? There's a chinese release already...? isn't it supposed to be on friday ?
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i can only see the cover of the file, sometimes it comes on Thursday but the whole file does not show
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Incomplete-tantei wrote:Heh ? There's a chinese release already...? isn't it supposed to be on friday ?
Actually there isn't a Chinese version already, the post above is just one of the spoiler pics that normally gets posted before the Chinese comes out. All that has been shown is the cover of the chapter and the last page. The early spoiler stuff is due to last issue being a double issue so this issue came out a bit early. The Chinese one probably still won't be available until Friday. I think someone on the spoiler c-box mentioned that they usually set aside translation until Fridays.
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as far as anyone can tell, it seems that Ran recognizes the mystery girl!

but as far as we know Conan and the Mystery Girl may not have talked?
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