Detective Conan Files 796-800 Discussion Thread: Dun dun dun

[D.]

Reading all of these theories and discussions make me think that I don't even know how to think! 

Wait, what's 1+1 again? 

[sstimson]

You like to make things hard. Very easy way. Conan Smells it then as she is driving can not really watch him closely, He waits for her to turn away and then drops the bottle. Until they arrive at their destination, there is no way for her to know if he drank or how much as the very act of dropping the bottle can either release all the contents or just part, and if enough time goes by, some will be lose to evaporation. There is no need to empty the bottle before hand.

just dropping the bottle would have been noticed by her though, and I doubt Gosho would have left that part out if she noticed as well. As for evaporation, I really doubt a substantial amount at all would evaporate in the time period they were in the car for.

No let me explain. As his body relaxes, his muscles would also as well, thus no longer being able to hold the bottle.It is in the timing, but it would appear normal for the body to drop the bottle, after being put to sleep, as it looks like he is not putting a lot of effort in to holding on to the bottle.

By the way this case is starting to look like another case. Bank robbers, missing cash and two bodies. see where I am going?

[MaitreDétective]

Reading all of these theories and discussions make me think that I don't even know how to think! 

Wait, what's 1+1 again? 

11, what a question!

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

No let me explain. As his body relaxes, his muscles would also as well, thus no longer being able to hold the bottle.It is in the timing, but it would appear normal for the body to drop the bottle, after being put to sleep, as it looks like he is not putting a lot of effort in to holding on to the bottle.

No one is debating the fact that Conan pretended to fall asleep and lose his grip on the bottle. The problem is with your earlier objection to the idea that Conan didn't dump some of the juice out when Fake Kei wasn't looking. The amount of juice in the container started less than full and then got lower between the two pages, but Conan obviously did not drink it because Conan isn't stupid enough to drink a killer's juice. So where did it go? You said evaporation, which makes absolutely no physical sense as anyone who bought a drink on a car trip could attest to, or that Conan dropped the bottle in the middle which Akonyl pointed out the flaws with. The only option left is to dump some when "Kei" isn't looking.

By the way this case is starting to look like another case. Bank robbers, missing cash and two bodies. see where I am going?

No shit Sherlock.
I understand not wanting to read 13 pages of thread, but you'd embarrass yourself a lot less if you at least read the first one.

[sstimson]

No let me explain. As his body relaxes, his muscles would also as well, thus no longer being able to hold the bottle.It is in the timing, but it would appear normal for the body to drop the bottle, after being put to sleep, as it looks like he is not putting a lot of effort in to holding on to the bottle.

No one is debating the fact that Conan pretended to fall asleep and lose his grip on the bottle. The problem is with your earlier objection to the idea that Conan didn't dump some of the juice out when Fake Kei wasn't looking. The amount of juice in the container started less than full and then got lower between the two pages, but Conan obviously did not drink it because Conan isn't stupid enough to drink a killer's juice. So where did it go? You said evaporation, which makes absolutely no physical sense as anyone who bought a drink on a car trip could attest to, or that Conan dropped the bottle in the middle which Akonyl pointed out the flaws with. The only option left is to dump some when "Kei" isn't looking.

Not really noticeable beside, if the heater is on there could be indeed evaporation and we do not really know the amount of time that has passed between getting the bottle and it being on the car seat floor. There is another possibility. I know it being translated as Fruit Juice, but Soda can at times over load(Exploded) and exit the container. All Conan need to do is act like a kid and shake the bottle.
Also some liquids are not filled completely and so will normal look like they are less full.
If I am looking at the picture right, the angle of tilt has changed between the frames and that could make it look like there is less in the bottle.

By the way this case is starting to look like another case. Bank robbers, missing cash and two bodies. see where I am going?

No shit Sherlock.
I understand not wanting to read 13 pages of thread, but you'd embarrass yourself a lot less if you at least read the first one.

Really. I am surprised that while some have come close, none have compared it to THAT case

Spoiler:

One Million Robbery and Akemi. To me Fake Kei looks a lot like her. What if they are headed to meet the Bo right now like in that case. And Bourbon is Fake Kei about to be shot by Gin again. Again the two cases, lady either (unknowning)murders or gets someone else to murder the robbers beside her in the gang. The locker where the money is, The fake key to it taken by Gin in the first. In the first case it was looking for a missing dad here it is different. What if She is telling the truth She did not kill someone else did. And they planted the body of the other to force her to play ball. Would it be funny if this case becomes a repeat of that one?

[Abs.]

There is another possibility. I know it being translated as Fruit Juice, but Soda can at times over load(Exploded) and exit the container. All Conan need to do is act like a kid and shake the bottle.

I don't know what you are getting at here since there is no other way to translate フルーツジュース (furuutsu jyuusu) than as fruit juice. Maybe in a crazy alternate dimension where pizza is a vegetable... waiiiiit

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

The evaporation idea is plain stupid. It isn't physically possible for bottled juice in a normal temp car to evaporate significantly in the time it took to search the house. I have a glass of water by desk, and the volume hasn't changed noticeably since I last looked at it 3 hours ago. Also, Conan isn't wet either so splashing is out of the question.

The bottom line is that the juice trick doesn't matter. Conan obviously didn't drink it, but pretended to, and the woman was tricked. That's all we need to care about.

Really. I am surprised that while some have come close, none have compared it to THAT case

Good to know, because I thought you were implying that you had just figured out the bank robbery and the current string of deaths are related. There are three dead bodies by the way, if you count the employee. I'm reminded of Grey Planner because that case had a revenge plot over a dead bank employee going on in the background as well as a money grab.

[sstimson]

Abs first I am not saying you translated it wrong. It just what is in the fruit juice?

found this Fruit/Vegetable Juice in Japan

TRENDS

   Sales of fruit/vegetable juice in Japan are divided into three distinct and competing categories in terms of value sales, namely 100% juice, juice drinks and nectars. Other than these three dominant categories little exists, and Japanese manufacturers do not appear to be interested in branching out into new areas.

A List of soft drinks by country wikipedia article says this

Japan
[edit] Carbonated

    Asahi (carbonated soft drinks as well as beers) maybe teas too
    Bubble Man (soft drink marketed by the Suntory Group, many varieties)
    C.C. Lemon (marketed by Suntory, third most popular soda in Japan)
    Cheerio (brand of soda produced by the Cheerio Corporation, many flavours)
    Hoppy (non-alcoholic beer substitute)
  Match (drink) (fruity soda)
    Mitsuya Cider (brand of sodas available in six flavours from Asahi Soft Drinks)
    Oronamin C Drink (carbonated health drink produced by Otsuka Pharmaceutical Company)
    Ramune (citrus soda known for its unique bottle)
    Alchol vitamin (a drink that is in most stores and is in a glass bottle)
    Kirin Lemon

Could it be one of the above like MATCH?

[Abs.]

Abs first I am not saying you translated it wrong. It just what is in the fruit juice?

found this Fruit/Vegetable Juice in Japan

TRENDS

   Sales of fruit/vegetable juice in Japan are divided into three distinct and competing categories in terms of value sales, namely 100% juice, juice drinks and nectars. Other than these three dominant categories little exists, and Japanese manufacturers do not appear to be interested in branching out into new areas.

A List of soft drinks by country wikipedia article says this

Japan
[edit] Carbonated

    Asahi (carbonated soft drinks as well as beers) maybe teas too
    Bubble Man (soft drink marketed by the Suntory Group, many varieties)
    C.C. Lemon (marketed by Suntory, third most popular soda in Japan)
    Cheerio (brand of soda produced by the Cheerio Corporation, many flavours)
    Hoppy (non-alcoholic beer substitute)
    Match (drink) (fruity soda)
    Mitsuya Cider (brand of sodas available in six flavours from Asahi Soft Drinks)
    Oronamin C Drink (carbonated health drink produced by Otsuka Pharmaceutical Company)
    Ramune (citrus soda known for its unique bottle)
    Alchol vitamin (a drink that is in most stores and is in a glass bottle)
    Kirin Lemon

Could it be one of the above like MATCH?

Yes it could also be a gasoline/juice drink

Although why am I arguing, after all cider turned into soda in the Eri case

[Cider]

There is another possibility. I know it being translated as Fruit Juice, but Soda can at times over load(Exploded) and exit the container. All Conan need to do is act like a kid and shake the bottle.

I don't know what you are getting at here since there is no other way to translate フルーツジュース (furuutsu jyuusu) than as fruit juice. Maybe in a crazy alternate dimension where pizza is a vegetable... waiiiiit

LOL Abs ) don't we just love Congress?

Anyway, back to the case.

Spoiler:

I have a strong feeling that Scar Akai and Amuro are two different people. Scar Akai = Bourbon while Amuro = Vermouth. I believe she would have something to do with this arc.

[mihai]

I agree with Chekhov's theories. We were trying to explain the point to one member of the forum that we are theorizing about the thread, because the okiya=bourbon theory was posted by him/her, without rading Chekhov's ones.

Sorry about the off-topic comment, but I wanted it to be clear.

ok, I was too lazy to check those, but I still believe in my theory:)

as for Conan's juice evaporating, it surely makes no sense physically because the contact surface between the juice and air was too small for that quantity of liquid to evaporate(1/4). Even in the car, Conan could easily spill some between the door and his seat

[Conan 48:69]

File 798 spoilers

Spoiler:

File 799 resolution, Sera, Okiya and Amuro will meet each other for sure, is that Sera (Akai's sister), Okiya (Akai Shuichi) and Amuro (Bourbon) meeting.

http://img25.imagehaven.net/img.php?id= ... PNR_01.jpg

http://img22.imagehaven.net/img.php?id= ... HQZ_02.jpg

http://img22.imagehaven.net/img.php?id= ... KT8_03.jpg

[mihai]

hmm, spoilers already? the chapter will be out in at least 5 days, so I shall not peek.....

[Dus]

I have a feeling this might be the confrontation/meeting between Sera and Ai, which will subsequently get the ball rolling for realz.
As for the case: I suspect fake Kei's brother was one of the three robbers (together with the two dead ones, duh) who tried to cheat his accomplices out of their share and they killed him. His sister is now out for revenge.

[Kor]

http://youtu.be/7cxdx1-13cw?t=26s
http://youtu.be/bflYjF90t7c?t=9s