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Its quite unclear weather Ran saw vermouths face or not, we only have a trunk open and then ran jumps at haibara to shield her.
In between was both vermouth and Jodie reaction to her sudden appearance.
However when I think of it, why would ran jump out of the trunk and jump at haibara immediately, she doesn't know what was happening, and why was haibara even there to begin with.
Perhaps, Ran took a quick look, noticed that their is a blonde women pointing her Gun at haibara, so she went and ran to shield haibara so she wont get shoot. Thats will easily justify why & what Ran did at that moment.
We will just have to wait till Monday ( less then 48hours )
Picture speak to me & Us more then just works, that is what manga really is , right ?
GIN X SHIHO <3<3<3
VERMOUTH IS SEXY AS HELL !!
Elena Miyano and Atsushi ..... APTX 4869 & Silver Bullet
That's true, it has been a while. Other comments made me realize that it's likely Ran never saw Vermouth's face during Desperate Revival arc. So question is how she gets suspicious. Would she think that this "Azusa" is not real Azusa but someone in disguise, or would she start to think Azusa(the real one) was the person that called her "Angel" at shot at her before? For Conan and us, it's easily to immediately suspect it might be Vermouth in disguise when someone doesn't quite act as normal, but I'm not sure if that would the case for Ran.
File 1000 has got be something massive to the storyline. (Better be!)
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Desperate Revival (251–260/188–193)? I think you've got the wrong story. The Halloween Party Case is 429–434/345.
434 doesn't show us where Ran's head is directed, and even then, Vermouth might've at least been in her peripheral vision, so she might remember a blond-haired, pale-skinned woman. Even in this case, where she can't identify Vermouth too well, the voice will be a key point. After all, Sharon and Chris have the same voice.
Ran knows that both Sharon and her daughter can disguise really well (having seen Sharon's ability firsthand and then hearing Yukiko say that Chris had begged for Sharon to teach her those skills), so if she recalls that, she could theorize that "Azusa" is really Chris (she could take it even further if she makes more connections with the events in New York, but even her guessing Chris Vineyard has disguised as Azusa is a pretty small possibility, knowing how Gosho favors the status quo).
Of course File 1000 is gonna have something important in it—it's when the three digits become four, after all. The meeting Masumi flashback is really the last plot thread of the Bourbon arc that hasn't yet been resolved (at least, I think it is), and it's been nearly a 200-file-long question, so I think it's definitely probable that it will be the subject matter of the case that, at the very least, that begins and ends in either the 990s or 1000s. A Shinichi flashback was what we got for the 20th anniversary—we might even see non-flashback Shinichi, thanks to the temporary antidote, in the case that's going on during File 1000.
Whatever the subject matter of the case, I look forward to the colored pages for File 1000!
“Life is infinitely stranger than anything which the mind of man could invent. We would not dare to conceive the things which are really mere commonplaces of existence. If we could fly out of that window hand in hand, hover over this great city, gently remove the roofs, and and peep in at the queer things which are going on, the strange coincidences, the plannings, the cross-purposes, the wonderful chains of events, working through generations, and leading to the most outre results, it would make all fiction with its conventionalities and foreseen conclusions most stale and unprofitable.”
“Education never ends... it is a series of lessons, with the greatest for the last.”
― Arthur Conan Doyle, The Complete Adventures of Sherlock Holmes and His Last Bow
"I have decided to stick to love... hate is too great a burden to bear."
— Martin Luther King Jr. (A Testament of Hope: The Essential Writings and Speeches of Martin Luther King, Jr)
I would also note the Vermouth looked back when the trunk opened, which can potentially mean ran might have gotten a glance of her face
Now azusa, the next file will determine weather she will do anything about it
I have a hunch, ran will keep watch on azusa, maybe ask her questions real azusa only knows of, maybe she would call shinichi later on and tell him that azusa called her angel and she remembers being called angel by Haibara's kidnapper
Conan will finally know Ran was involved, and he might as well tell anything to get her mind of it, I wish not, but its quite a reasonable scenario for Gosho to take.
GIN X SHIHO <3<3<3
VERMOUTH IS SEXY AS HELL !!
Elena Miyano and Atsushi ..... APTX 4869 & Silver Bullet
“Life is infinitely stranger than anything which the mind of man could invent. We would not dare to conceive the things which are really mere commonplaces of existence. If we could fly out of that window hand in hand, hover over this great city, gently remove the roofs, and and peep in at the queer things which are going on, the strange coincidences, the plannings, the cross-purposes, the wonderful chains of events, working through generations, and leading to the most outre results, it would make all fiction with its conventionalities and foreseen conclusions most stale and unprofitable.”
“Education never ends... it is a series of lessons, with the greatest for the last.”
― Arthur Conan Doyle, The Complete Adventures of Sherlock Holmes and His Last Bow
"I have decided to stick to love... hate is too great a burden to bear."
— Martin Luther King Jr. (A Testament of Hope: The Essential Writings and Speeches of Martin Luther King, Jr)
I am interested to read akai's flashback
for Ran the picture means that she saw the kidnapper since vermouth face in the back there If it was that she just remembered the voice it would have been more accurate to draw the flashback of her protecting haibara as that was all she had seen if so
I don't know if I was able to explain what I think correctly though and maybe gosho doesn't think in that way too
I am interested to read akai's flashback
for Ran the picture means that she saw the kidnapper since vermouth face in the back there If it was that she just remembered the voice it would have been more accurate to draw the flashback of her protecting haibara as that was all she had seen if so
I don't know if I was able to explain what I think correctly though and maybe gosho doesn't think in that way too
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Depends on what she's thinking, I'd say.
“Life is infinitely stranger than anything which the mind of man could invent. We would not dare to conceive the things which are really mere commonplaces of existence. If we could fly out of that window hand in hand, hover over this great city, gently remove the roofs, and and peep in at the queer things which are going on, the strange coincidences, the plannings, the cross-purposes, the wonderful chains of events, working through generations, and leading to the most outre results, it would make all fiction with its conventionalities and foreseen conclusions most stale and unprofitable.”
“Education never ends... it is a series of lessons, with the greatest for the last.”
― Arthur Conan Doyle, The Complete Adventures of Sherlock Holmes and His Last Bow
"I have decided to stick to love... hate is too great a burden to bear."
— Martin Luther King Jr. (A Testament of Hope: The Essential Writings and Speeches of Martin Luther King, Jr)
I am interested to read akai's flashback
for Ran the picture means that she saw the kidnapper since vermouth face in the back there If it was that she just remembered the voice it would have been more accurate to draw the flashback of her protecting haibara as that was all she had seen if so
I don't know if I was able to explain what I think correctly though and maybe gosho doesn't think in that way too
Spoiler:
Just because there is a picture of Vermouth in the background, doesn't mean Ran actually remembers her face. In the Aquarium flashback, there is a picture of Eri shown in the background when Shinichi talks about her, but we know for sure that he doesn't remember her face at that point, so he couldn't have thought of that image and it was just for the readers. Ran never turned around once she got to Haibara, so she couldn't have seen Vermouth screaming like this.
I am interested to read akai's flashback
for Ran the picture means that she saw the kidnapper since vermouth face in the back there If it was that she just remembered the voice it would have been more accurate to draw the flashback of her protecting haibara as that was all she had seen if so
I don't know if I was able to explain what I think correctly though and maybe gosho doesn't think in that way too
Spoiler:
Just because there is a picture of Vermouth in the background, doesn't mean Ran actually remembers her face. In the Aquarium flashback, there is a picture of Eri shown in the background when Shinichi talks about her, but we know for sure that he doesn't remember her face at that point, so he couldn't have thought of that image and it was just for the readers. Ran never turned around once she got to Haibara, so she couldn't have seen Vermouth screaming like this.
Spoiler:
And we also saw this with Shinichi/Conan thinking of Shuichi/Dai and Akemi in File 942.
Unless Ran mentions Vermouth's physical characteristics in her internal monologue, she most likely didn't see her.
“Life is infinitely stranger than anything which the mind of man could invent. We would not dare to conceive the things which are really mere commonplaces of existence. If we could fly out of that window hand in hand, hover over this great city, gently remove the roofs, and and peep in at the queer things which are going on, the strange coincidences, the plannings, the cross-purposes, the wonderful chains of events, working through generations, and leading to the most outre results, it would make all fiction with its conventionalities and foreseen conclusions most stale and unprofitable.”
“Education never ends... it is a series of lessons, with the greatest for the last.”
― Arthur Conan Doyle, The Complete Adventures of Sherlock Holmes and His Last Bow
"I have decided to stick to love... hate is too great a burden to bear."
— Martin Luther King Jr. (A Testament of Hope: The Essential Writings and Speeches of Martin Luther King, Jr)
I am interested to read akai's flashback
for Ran the picture means that she saw the kidnapper since vermouth face in the back there If it was that she just remembered the voice it would have been more accurate to draw the flashback of her protecting haibara as that was all she had seen if so
I don't know if I was able to explain what I think correctly though and maybe gosho doesn't think in that way too
Spoiler:
Just because there is a picture of Vermouth in the background, doesn't mean Ran actually remembers her face. In the Aquarium flashback, there is a picture of Eri shown in the background when Shinichi talks about her, but we know for sure that he doesn't remember her face at that point, so he couldn't have thought of that image and it was just for the readers. Ran never turned around once she got to Haibara, so she couldn't have seen Vermouth screaming like this.
Spoiler:
And we also saw this with Shinichi/Conan thinking of Shuichi/Dai and Akemi in File 942.
Unless Ran mentions Vermouth's physical characteristics in her internal monologue, she most likely didn't see her.
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I won't defend it as I was convinced that she didn't saw her too but I found it strange to draw it like this as if she remembered her by face .. shinich have seen Eri before so he remembered her with her old hair style 10 years before the face stored in his old memory but he didn't recognize her with a new style "DC characters have sharp minds and poor memories " and for akai and akemi canan have seen both of them before and knows their faces it's not like they were seen holding hands but I thought it's gosho's way to show that a character is thinking about two dating characters so in both cases I didn't found that strange so the problem was from me probably I dealt with it as a human memory xD
I am interested to read akai's flashback
for Ran the picture means that she saw the kidnapper since vermouth face in the back there If it was that she just remembered the voice it would have been more accurate to draw the flashback of her protecting haibara as that was all she had seen if so
I don't know if I was able to explain what I think correctly though and maybe gosho doesn't think in that way too
Spoiler:
Just because there is a picture of Vermouth in the background, doesn't mean Ran actually remembers her face. In the Aquarium flashback, there is a picture of Eri shown in the background when Shinichi talks about her, but we know for sure that he doesn't remember her face at that point, so he couldn't have thought of that image and it was just for the readers. Ran never turned around once she got to Haibara, so she couldn't have seen Vermouth screaming like this.
Spoiler:
And we also saw this with Shinichi/Conan thinking of Shuichi/Dai and Akemi in File 942.
Unless Ran mentions Vermouth's physical characteristics in her internal monologue, she most likely didn't see her.
Spoiler:
I won't defend it as I was convinced that she didn't saw her too but I found it strange to draw it like this as if she remembered her by face .. shinich have seen Eri before so he remembered her with her old hair style 10 years before the face stored in his old memory but he didn't recognize her with a new style "DC characters have sharp minds and poor memories " and for akai and akemi canan have seen both of them before and knows their faces it's not like they were seen holding hands but I thought it's gosho's way to show that a character is thinking about two dating characters so in both cases I didn't found that strange so the problem was from me probably I dealt with it as a human memory xD
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Here's some translations from PresumeNothing from the spoiler box:
p3: Sonoko and Ran say Rokumichi's image had changed lately – when Conan asks what changed, Ran says the impression he gave people, Sonoko says it's probably the face
p6-7: Okiya (thinking) "It's no use..." "It's impossible..." Akai (flashback) "Give up, Scotch..." Amuro (thinking) "Back then, that guy's right hand was clearly stained with fresh blood..." "But there was no blood on the tip of his thumb and the back of his hand..." "Which means that guy pulled the trigger himself with his thumb..." "And shot himself to death..." "The one who gave that guy the gun... and forced him to do that Akai Shuuichi..." "For a man as skilled as him, he should've been able to give many options other than making him commit suicide..."
p8: Vermouth "Hey, what's wrong?" Amuro "Eh?" Vermouth "You've been glaring at that man since just now, is something wrong?" Amuro "Ah, no..." Vermouth "Even though it's fine with me, but can you hurry up... and solve this murder?" "Because staying here for long while maintaining a disguise is very dangerous..." Amuro "That's true..."
p15-6: forensics tech "Please move away..." Ran (thinking) "Move away..." "Move away..." Vermouth (flashback) "Move away, hurry up and leave the blond girl..." "If you don't want to die then hurry up..." "Hey, hurry up..." "Move it, Angel!!" Ran (thinking) "That's right... back then, the one who was planning to kidnap Conan-kun and Ai-chan..." "That suspicious woman, that's how she addressed me... even though I didn't see her face..."
Shadow: "But why did she address me in the same way as that woman..." "Azusa-san..." "Why?"
“Life is infinitely stranger than anything which the mind of man could invent. We would not dare to conceive the things which are really mere commonplaces of existence. If we could fly out of that window hand in hand, hover over this great city, gently remove the roofs, and and peep in at the queer things which are going on, the strange coincidences, the plannings, the cross-purposes, the wonderful chains of events, working through generations, and leading to the most outre results, it would make all fiction with its conventionalities and foreseen conclusions most stale and unprofitable.”
“Education never ends... it is a series of lessons, with the greatest for the last.”
― Arthur Conan Doyle, The Complete Adventures of Sherlock Holmes and His Last Bow
"I have decided to stick to love... hate is too great a burden to bear."
— Martin Luther King Jr. (A Testament of Hope: The Essential Writings and Speeches of Martin Luther King, Jr)
I really hope Ran takes up her suspicions in some covert manner. Like going to Conan and trying to get him out of the scene with Sonoko. Saying something that also alert Subaru because I think it's possible Shuichi heard when Vermouth yelled at Ran back then.
The Eleventh Doctor wrote:Never ignore coincidence. Unless you are busy. Then always ignore the coincidence.
I really hope Ran takes up her suspicions in some covert manner. Like going to Conan and trying to get him out of the scene with Sonoko. Saying something that also alert Subaru because I think it's possible Shuichi heard when Vermouth yelled at Ran back then.
Spoiler:
Come to think of that, what was Shuichi doing the period in-between Jodie's and Vermouth's arrival at the pier and Ran coming out of the trunk? Did he just get to the pier as Calvados was firing at Ran? Was he there the whole time? That was never explained. If he was there the whole time, then surely there was no reason he couldn't have disabled Calvados before he shot Jodie, right?
“Life is infinitely stranger than anything which the mind of man could invent. We would not dare to conceive the things which are really mere commonplaces of existence. If we could fly out of that window hand in hand, hover over this great city, gently remove the roofs, and and peep in at the queer things which are going on, the strange coincidences, the plannings, the cross-purposes, the wonderful chains of events, working through generations, and leading to the most outre results, it would make all fiction with its conventionalities and foreseen conclusions most stale and unprofitable.”
“Education never ends... it is a series of lessons, with the greatest for the last.”
― Arthur Conan Doyle, The Complete Adventures of Sherlock Holmes and His Last Bow
"I have decided to stick to love... hate is too great a burden to bear."
— Martin Luther King Jr. (A Testament of Hope: The Essential Writings and Speeches of Martin Luther King, Jr)
The "I'm sorry" text was the victim's writing. The page seems torn off a notebook he used to write down drafts of his song lyrics.
The manager admits that the victim had trouble catching up with other musicians because he wasn't very known.
The president says that she shouldn't mind that because he considered it part of what stood out about him and the vibe he gave off.
Sonoko and Ran comment that the victim had had a change of image and had become softer... Conan asks for more details but neither of them are sure of what that "image change" was.
The reporter brings up that there's rumors that the victim had plastic surgery shortly after graduating from high school. The manager says it's not true and that the victim worked part-time in a shipping company to save up money for his musician activities.
The reporter then says that the victim had married with another woman 16 years ago, not the manager with whom he'd shared joys and sorrows. The reporter speculates that that might be the reason why the song "ASACA" was abandoned without having lyrics written for so many years.
The president tries to stop the reporter but he gets the brunt. The reporter says that after the previous live the victim argued with the president about "Why didn't you tell during these 17 years?". The reporter speculates again by saying that that discussion is related as to why the victim suddenly announced the song "ASACA".
It'd seem the president had told the victim, joking, that he'd helped him debut because he'd fallen in love at first sight with the manager. But the victim got further angered than what he expected and said that he'd retire if that was true.
Their quarrel was when they did some mountain-climbing. Both the president and the victim were mountain climbers. It'd seem it was routine for them to climb to the top of a mountain during the night right after a live and wait for sunrise while sipping coffee. He also used to go to a cafe at mornings once he spent the whole night working on song lyrics (before he made his debut).
The reporter admits he also was a member of the mountain-climbing club but since he was a "ghost member" he points out that he doesn't know how to make a rope's knots. Megure suggests that a mountain-climber should know how to properly use a rope... And it'd seem the manager worked with ropes when she was working part-time on the same shipping company as the victim.
The reporter hadn't seen the crime scene yet and is surprised to know the victim was killed with a rope. He makes yet another wild claim, based on a blog post by the victim that said "If I die then I want to die atop the stage", that a fan granted him his wish. 1 person can't lift the victim 3 meters over the stage: and since the suspects' alibis don't overlap each other then it's an impossible crime.
Akai's words to Scotch:
"You can't... It's impossible... Give it up, Scotch..."
Amuro, keeping his eyes on Okiya, is also thinking.
(Despite that Scotch's right hand was stained in blood back then... The length of his thumb and the back of the hand were clean... Which means that Scotch pulled the trigger himself with the thumb finger... Akai Shuuichi is the man who had him do that... Scotch gave him his own gun... Akai was a capable man: despite that he could've choosen many means of stopping Scotch from killing himself...)
Vermouth tells Amuro to hurry it up and solve the case to leave. In the meanwhile Takagi is discussing with the reporter and he hits a forensics' bag with his own bag thus scattering pieces of evidence. Conan, Ran and Sonoko help gather it: when they see the victim's photo in the driving license they do think he had an unapproachable aura to him. Conan focuses his atention in a bundle of rope that's been neatly bundled.
Megure searches the reporter's bag and finds his digital camera: he finds photos of the victim when he's about to enter the hall that intended to be taken without him noticing but he noticed and tried to confiscate the camera. Some witnesses say that the victim roared "If you try to get close again I'm so gonna kill you!".
Takagi then whispers to Megure that another puzzling thing has been found out. One of the backband was arrested by a drug control officer during a meal in a family restaurant. On the charges of current possession of stimulants. It'd seem the member was supposed to bring them to the hall after tomorrow's live.
Conan, meanwhile, calls out to a forensic and asks if something had fallen around there. He says that Azusa had dropped "half" of something. Amuro and Okiya react to Conan's question and set their sights on the suspects. The forensics says that that wasn't the case so Conan moves on to his next question. He asks if something's missing. Something like a wire or gloves. The forensics says yes: both of those are missing from the tool-box where the staff had stored them. And the pipe seat that was right next to the toolbox was originally for rest and located elsewhere.
The staff is gathering up the live equipment and loading it into a truck: one of them complains about having to tie again the packaging ropes.
Okiya and Amuro ask the forensic to let them see the underside of the pipe seat: there's what seems to be a small and round hole on it.
Okiya (Thought as much...)
Amuro (So that's how it is...)
The forensics (also carrying the mike's stand) asks them to please move away so he can leave.
Ran then remembers what happened back when the "kidnapping" and what Vermouth had yelled
(Move it, Angel!)
Ran (That's it... Back then... A mysterious woman who was trying to kidnap Conan - kun and Ai - chan called me "Angel"... I didn't see their face, though... But... Why would Azusa - san use the same wording as that woman...? Why would she?)
I am interested to read akai's flashback
for Ran the picture means that she saw the kidnapper since vermouth face in the back there If it was that she just remembered the voice it would have been more accurate to draw the flashback of her protecting haibara as that was all she had seen if so
I don't know if I was able to explain what I think correctly though and maybe gosho doesn't think in that way too
Spoiler:
Just because there is a picture of Vermouth in the background, doesn't mean Ran actually remembers her face. In the Aquarium flashback, there is a picture of Eri shown in the background when Shinichi talks about her, but we know for sure that he doesn't remember her face at that point, so he couldn't have thought of that image and it was just for the readers. Ran never turned around once she got to Haibara, so she couldn't have seen Vermouth screaming like this.
Come to think of it, how did Shinichi even forget how his future mother-in-law looked like? I know he had just got himself shrunk, but in the case Eri first appeared he solved a case with her and had no idea who lawyer Kisaki was
I am interested to read akai's flashback
for Ran the picture means that she saw the kidnapper since vermouth face in the back there If it was that she just remembered the voice it would have been more accurate to draw the flashback of her protecting haibara as that was all she had seen if so
I don't know if I was able to explain what I think correctly though and maybe gosho doesn't think in that way too
Spoiler:
Just because there is a picture of Vermouth in the background, doesn't mean Ran actually remembers her face. In the Aquarium flashback, there is a picture of Eri shown in the background when Shinichi talks about her, but we know for sure that he doesn't remember her face at that point, so he couldn't have thought of that image and it was just for the readers. Ran never turned around once she got to Haibara, so she couldn't have seen Vermouth screaming like this.
Come to think of it, how did Shinichi even forget how his future mother-in-law looked like? I know he had just got himself shrunk, but in the case Eri first appeared he solved a case with her and had no idea who lawyer Kisaki was
it's strange but not too much the reason that was given that he hasn't seen her for 10 years and people change in 10 years she may seemed familiar but his mind wasn't clear because of jealousy xD so he couldn't get it right and for not knowing that who lawyer kisaki was that because he knew her as Ran's mother maybe he didn't knew her name and job or simply knew her as Eri as his mother calls her ..just an opinion though
and maybe gosho doesn't think in that way too 
