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File 855 page 15 and 16: Conan "That victim from pickpocket is strange" Takagi "Yes, remember the man named Benzake Touhei" Conan "Yes, the man who is hostage with Jodie-sensei during bank robbery case, right." Takagi "Yes, he said his wife covered Jodie-san’s eyes and mouth and tied her hands.””At that time, the robber let the ones with no companion to do that, said the acquaintances may hold back.” Conan “What?” Takagi “If Benzaki who is a husband is hostage is in that incident, there is a contradiction, how can he let his wife do that risky thing to deceive the robbers.” Conan “Then, do you contact that couples.” Takagi “Ah, we do…” Takagi “He said “He doesn’t remember he had involved in that pickpocket murder case”, I visited him a few times, but he shut himself up and won’t answer” Conan “!?” Takagi “And he is unmarried, wonder if anything…” Conan “Could…could it be” Conan (running)”Could it be!?”
Last page side note: The two black faces appeared on Conan's brain!
I like the case format and the way Kogorou learns about what happened. It's different from the norm. That being said, I now predict that Conan thinks the guy who Amuro impersonated has been killed because he 'shut himself in' and that's where he's running. If he is actually dead I'm leaning on non-BO involvement but with how things have been going recently I'm not fully ruling out the possibility that Amuro/Vermouth did actually kill him.
Terry Pratchett wrote:
The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it.
bash7353 wrote:I kind of always assumed that Haneda's parents might've had names.
I like the case format and the way Kogorou learns about what happened. It's different from the norm. That being said, I now predict that Conan thinks the guy who Amuro impersonated has been killed because he 'shut himself in' and that's where he's running. If he is actually dead I'm leaning on non-BO involvement but with how things have been going recently I'm not fully ruling out the possibility that Amuro/Vermouth did actually kill him.
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I doubt they killed him, if they were going to then they probably would have done so before the police contacted him
I like the case format and the way Kogorou learns about what happened. It's different from the norm. That being said, I now predict that Conan thinks the guy who Amuro impersonated has been killed because he 'shut himself in' and that's where he's running. If he is actually dead I'm leaning on non-BO involvement but with how things have been going recently I'm not fully ruling out the possibility that Amuro/Vermouth did actually kill him.
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I doubt they killed him, if they were going to then they probably would have done so before the police contacted him
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I agree. Amuro had the perfect chance and let it slip away. The point is that Conan might think the guy shutting himself in is indicative of him being in danger from the BO.
Terry Pratchett wrote:
The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it.
bash7353 wrote:I kind of always assumed that Haneda's parents might've had names.
When the bartender tells Kogoro everything that was said and then demonstrated the trick.
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If Kogoro had no idea that using those ingredients would make the case shoot up like that, it should prove to Kogoro that it's not him solving the cases.
Spoiler:
I don't think Kogoro's ever seen a recording of himself solving a murder case when he's sleeping, he's only seen Sonoko and Inspector Yamamura solve a case when they're asleep.
When the bartender tells Kogoro everything that was said and then demonstrated the trick.
Spoiler:
If Kogoro had no idea that using those ingredients would make the case shoot up like that, it should prove to Kogoro that it's not him solving the cases.
Spoiler:
I don't think Kogoro's ever seen a recording of himself solving a murder case when he's sleeping, he's only seen Sonoko and Inspector Yamamura solve a case when they're asleep.
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If you can read Chinese you would see that Kogoro now think he have split personalities and "Sleeping Kogoro" is the other me thus it would make sense to Kogoro that "Sleeping Kogoro" to know things he doesn't and do things he don't remember. Plus this is not the first time "Sleeping Kogoro" mentioned something Kogoro had no idea about, In the Goblin temple murder case(Episode 52) Sleeping Kogoro calculated the pressure of a 72.9m^3 large column of water escaping through an opening to be 9.8*10^4 Pascal, when Megure mentioned this later it was clear Kogoro had no idea what pascal was.
so in the end is the bartender Kaito Kid? In chapter 854 'she' seems to unknowingly give Conan a hint to solve the case and now 'she' is demonstrating the case to Kogoro. Also someone mentioned her calling Conan 'little detective', and only Kid calls him that.
Not to mention I thought the bartender was cute. What is it with Kid disguising as women? Is he actually a crossdresser and we don't know?
So as I predicted Conan got that info from Takagi and figured out those were Vermouth and Amuro
Mouri Detective Agency: A new info which Conan received from Takagi did not relate to agency, and even left Kogorou behind and rushed out, looked like Conan is not worried about Ran
Agasa House: Conan usually won't tell Haibara about BO related thing
Kudou's Residence: What for? Bourbon didn't know about Kudou Shinichi, is Conan looking for Okiya who is Akai to discuss a situation
Discuss with Jodie: Can't Conan make a phone call instead
Next series, Conan may go to real Benzaki's house to interrogate him after getting his address from Takagi, but once he arrived, Benzaki is dead. Look like being killed by Bourbon to shut him up but the real thing is "3 suspect choose 1" case as usual, just like Itakura murder case.
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Haibara for the win! Certified
AokoxKaito/Kid,
Shinichi/ConanxRan,
KazuhaxHeiji-Fan ShinConxRanxShiAi-for laughs
"There is only one truth"
and no one wants Ran to know it
...
bastards!
I just read the first two files and i FIGURED IT OUT. I knew what HDPE was even before conan said it and i should know since i spent a good amount of time memorising its uses and which stuff are made from it. Google it, use ur brain and u'll figure it out too......
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You're right, the description of this video proves it : 'Conan who is suspected that fake couple is Bourbon and Vermouth in disguise, rushed back to Mouri Detective Agency in panic' ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNqfoK5rAko )
Next series, Conan may go to real Benzaki's house to interrogate him after getting his address from Takagi, but once he arrived, Benzaki is dead. Look like being killed by Bourbon to shut him up but the real thing is "3 suspect choose 1" case as usual, just like Itakura murder case.
Mouri Detective Agency: A new info which Conan received from Takagi did not relate to agency, and even left Kogorou behind and rushed out, looked like Conan is not worried about Ran
Agasa House: Conan usually won't tell Haibara about BO related thing
Kudou's Residence: What for? Bourbon didn't know about Kudou Shinichi, is Conan looking for Okiya who is Akai to discuss a situation
Discuss with Jodie: Can't Conan make a phone call instead
Next series, Conan may go to real Benzaki's house to interrogate him after getting his address from Takagi, but once he arrived, Benzaki is dead. Look like being killed by Bourbon to shut him up but the real thing is "3 suspect choose 1" case as usual, just like Itakura murder case.
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it would be interesting if he was going to see Okiya, we haven't seen the 2 of them talking freely and it's clear both know who the other really is. But he could be going to that guy's home which is kinda pointless since he already suspects Amuro and Vermouth disguising themselves as those 2. Not to mention that if Amuro is keeping watch on that Benzaki guy, Conan will be spotted as well.
I don't think Conan would be rushing to Benzaki's house. Amuro would have no reason to go to his house, why? Cause he knows that Conan knows about him being Bourbon already? The only reason to kill him is to keep the police from knowing. He would know the real threat is the 'person who told the FBI agent that he is part of a organization that they are after' or the FBI agents themselves since they just found out. I believe Conan is running to the Agency to check up on Ran (Knowing Gosho, he'll probably just have it where Ran is there complaining about how late Conan and her dad is at coming home.)
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