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[EpoxElypse]

It's obvious that Conan hasn't told the FBI directly that he is Kudo Shinichi. While certain members, such as Jodie, have probably guessed he shrunk like Haibara... That doesn't mean they know he's Kudo Shinichi. I've been saying lately that maybe Conan doesn't want Akai to know that Conan is Kudo Shinichi exactly (in that I also believe Okiya = Akai). I'm not sure exactly why he wouldn't want Akai to know, but it's obvious that the less people that know the better.

I would say Conan and Akai planned his "death" up until the point where he comes to live at Conan's "relative's house" next door to where Agasa lives. Whatever Conan's motivation was for not telling him his real name, that's how I think it happened. We'll find out eventually I guess (lol).

"the less people that know the better"

Exactly what I was thinking. The less to know his identity the less he would have to worry about being found out be the Organization.

[ten]

going back a bit to ep 345 (specifically vol 42-10 pg13) where Akai and Jodie are deciding what to do with Haibara ....

I may be reading too much into it considering this happened much earlier on in the story but this one line by Akai struck me odd...

Akai says something interesting in the anime translation that is just a tiny bit different than in the manga translation...

In the anime translation Akai says (talking about Haibara): "It's not time [for] that brown-haired girl to see me yet"

In the manga translation Akai says: "And besides, its still out of question to have me face that brown-haired girl"

In the context of the current story it seems like Akai just doesn't want to have to explain to Haibara who he is and that he is working for the FBI....

But in both translations it seems to hint that he knows Haibara is Sherry and who she really is... Or do you think I am reading too much into it?

[Jd-]

Well, being an editor, I can tell you that I've seen two people--both with adequate knowledge of both the original and the translated language--translate the same line the same way but slightly differently. People express what they know differently, which is why no two translations will ever be even remotely exact. As for that situation, those two lines mean the exact same thing.

In [episode] 498, James also mentions that Akai knew "the younger sister" as well and used her to get further in the Organization.

[1337_Gaara]

Also, if Akai is really dead or has not infiltrated the Black org, who is keeping in contact with Mizunashi Rena?

I believe she still calls Jodie, because if I remember correctly, didn't she warn them about Bourbon? Maybe I am just imagining it lol... I have a very bad memory

[ten]

Ahh right then Akai knew Haibara before ... but then wouldn't you assume from what happened in ep345 that Akai knew/confirmed Haibara=Sherry? it seemed like Jodie didn't believe it at the time -- but if I knew that and I was Akai I would have put together by now that Conan=Shinichi...

[psycho1]

in my opinion akai know that conan is shinichi

maybe conan told him

cause i think, they guessed, that the black organisation would try to kill akai

so they came up with a plan to "kill" akai in a way even the black organisation would believe

i also think that okiya is akai and the holmes-phrase has been the password to identify him to conan


and the reason akai said that it is not the time for ai to see him is that they have met while he was still working for the BO

but thats just my opinion^^



greetings
psy

[krystal.glass]

While it's obvious that Akai knows that Haibara=Sherry, the younger sister of his late girlfriend (Akemi), it doesn't mean that he should immediately put together Shinichi=Conan. He's never even met Shinichi. He doesn't know shinichi, or the last thing about him. Well, he could, but my point is that there is no reason why he should think that Shinichi is Conan... (correct me if I'm wrong, though). However, Akai has met Ran (twice).

I'm sure that Akai knows about the Aptx to some level, at least, or that it may have been the reason Haibara is a little girl again. But he knows that they aren't ready to face each other - I think the main reason he says that is because Haibara can't see him until he gets revenge for her sister's death - which was clearly his fault on many levels.
Ai and Akai have been acquainted since he got into the BO, that is an obvious thing. I think the main reason that Ai freaked when she saw Akai was because he was an ex-member of the BO (can't recall which episode/manga, though... This was of course, back when Shinichi didn't know Akai was FBI)

lol, Jodie couldn't believe for the same reason most other people wouldn't be able to believe it - it defies all the laws of... well ... reality!

Rena keeps in touch with the FBI through Jodie and I'm figuring was also keeping in touch through Akai until his possibly faked death.

And that's all I have for now~

[Paperclip]

I'm going to disagree and say I think the FBI knows that Conan is Shinichi. At least Jodie. The reason I say that is on the last page of the "Discover Jodie" (V34-4) She has a picture of him in her mirror and says "Like Kudo Shinichi, a private eye"

[krystal.glass]

Whether Jodie knows him or not is a different story. She doesn't show any signs of having talked to Akai about Conan too much. Every time she does mention him, Akai just says 'Oh, that boy?' (seems pretty genuine to me, hmm?)

Although she was around during the Desperate Revival arc to see Kudo Shinichi, Conan was also present during that event (as Ai), and while she could always make the deduction since Shinichi just disappeared after that event, the only reason I can think of that Jodie might have a slight clue that Shinichi=Conan is because of Vermouth.

Remember that she was the one who wrote "Cool Guy" on Conan's pic instead of "Cool Kid" that Jodie prefers?
That's about it, though.

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Also I figure I should point out that although Akai knows that Haibara=Shiho (Akemi's sister), Jodie doesn't know that. All Jodie knows is that Haibara=Sherry (the woman who Vermouth was targeting). I don't know if that's important but I figure it can be a reference...

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Back to the current case:

I can believe that Okiya=Bourbon, or that Okiya=Akai, but I doubt he can be both, simply because I don't think Akai can be Bourbon. I seriously doubt the BO will even accidentally recruit Akai again  (even if he is under a different guise).

Though the strong Holmes references that Gosho is dropping wants us to believe that Okiya=Akai AND that Okiya=Bourbon. Hmm...? It could also be that Okiya=Bourbon and that Akai is still alive, but elsewhere. Or that Okiya is another insider in the BO (a fact which Rena could be clearly unaware of) who is keeping tabs with Akai and the Holmes quote was a password.

All in all: What the heck is Gosho thinking?  And reading all this just makes me more confused...

[Jd-]

I can believe that Okiya=Bourbon, or that Okiya=Akai, but I doubt he can be both, simply because I don't think Akai can be Bourbon. I seriously doubt the BO will even accidentally recruit Akai again  (even if he is under a different guise).

I laughed .

In all seriousnessnessness, that's why I completely agree. Can anyone really say that Okiya = Akai and Okiya = Bourbon? He can't be both. Do you really, honestly think Gin would have any of that? (lol) To me, it sounds like Bourbon is more of an 'international' P.I. without much regard for the law. Sounds more like an intel-mercenary, if anything.

[Paperclip]

I can believe that Okiya=Bourbon, or that Okiya=Akai, but I doubt he can be both, simply because I don't think Akai can be Bourbon. I seriously doubt the BO will even accidentally recruit Akai again  (even if he is under a different guise).

I laughed .

In all seriousnessnessness, that's why I completely agree. Can anyone really say that Okiya = Akai and Okiya = Bourbon? He can't be both. Do you really, honestly think Gin would have any of that? (lol) To me, it sounds like Bourbon is more of an 'international' P.I. without much regard for the law. Sounds more like an intel-mercenary, if anything.

I agree with that as well. I especially agree about the intel-mercenary, as I have had somewhat similar thoughts since the revelation that Bourbon existed. Of course, I don't really know what's going on. If Bourbon IS a hired information gatherer, then he has no loyalties, but who really knows? I guess that's what makes this interesting

[Jd-]

If Gosho really wanted to throw us a curveball, he could make Bourbon another master of disguise (not unrealistic, due to his line of work)... and have him come as Akai Shuuichi. Not sure how it'd come about, but have him get involved with a case Conan is in dressed up as Akai. Maybe even to prod Kogoro to see if he knows anything about Akai or has any connection to him (considering they probably are looking for any way to find whoever is messing up their plans all the time).

Hmm... I really want this to happen now.

[krystal.glass]

If Gosho really wanted to throw us a curveball, he could make Bourbon another master of disguise (not unrealistic, due to his line of work)... and have him come as Akai Shuuichi. Not sure how it'd come about, but have him get involved with a case Conan is in dressed up as Akai. Maybe even to prod Kogoro to see if he knows anything about Akai or has any connection to him (considering they probably are looking for any way to find whoever is messing up their plans all the time).

Hmm... I really want this to happen now.

A really interesting idea. Very. I wonder if Shinichi would let his guard down if that happened. I mean, it's not as though I'm saying he will tell Akai he is Shinichi, but certainly he won't hold back his ideas/deductions before Akai since he's FBI and Akai already had co-operated with Shinichi before... If Bourbon came disguised as Akai, he'll have like a 98% chance of figuring Conan out  XD

I wonder if the BO still has suspicions with Kogoro, though.

[Zurah]

Hi!

I am a little behind the translations. The last chapter I saw was that one where Rena killed Akai (fake or not, I don't want to guess). Can anyone tell me which chapter this was so I can start cownloading the next chapters?


zurah

[GinRei]

Hi!
I am a little behind the translations. The last chapter I saw was that one where Rena killed Akai (fake or not, I don't want to guess). Can anyone tell me which chapter this was so I can start cownloading the next chapters?

That would be chapter 609.  It's currently up to 642 (643 this week's chapter).