What does the FBI know

[D.]

* shrugs *

[Leuconoe]

Jodie and James know without a doubt that Haibara and Sherry/Shiho are the same person, and Akai figured it out first of all.
http://dctp.ws/V42-Reader/V42-11Read/A5.html

Knowing full well that it's somehow possible for a (near) adult to shrink to the size of the child, I highly doubt that they can't make the connection between the highly precocious kid detective and the missing in action teenage detective. They're likely just being polite in not calling him out on it.

[sstimson]

The bug means they know. I am sure an off page meeting where Conan tell them something, likely about the drug, since the FBI is not in any greater threat from knowing.

[doublemoonlight]

I am certain that Jodie at least dose not know Conan=Shinnich cause unlike Vermouth Jodie dose not call Conan anyway that links him to Shinnich. ( E.G she calls him Cool kid while Vermouth calls him cool guy) Plus there is no proff that she and other FBI ( including Akai) knows anything about the drug cause since the drug was so secret that I doubt even akai was allowed to know about it during his undercover years. ( yes he was boy friend of Akimei who's parent and sister was working on it but I doubt Sherry was allowed much to tell her sister what this drug dose.)

[sstimson]

I am certain that Jodie at least dose not know Conan=Shinnich cause unlike Vermouth Jodie dose not call Conan anyway that links him to Shinnich. ( E.G she calls him Cool kid while Vermouth calls him cool guy) Plus there is no proff that she and other FBI ( including Akai) knows anything about the drug cause since the drug was so secret that I doubt even akai was allowed to know about it during his undercover years. ( yes he was boy friend of Akimei who's parent and sister was working on it but I doubt Sherry was allowed much to tell her sister what this drug dose.)

I hear you but we KNOW they had the placed bugged when they hear about Conan being Shinichi (Letter to Shinichi started dear Conan from Vermouth) . In the same discussion,was Haibara was Sherry,So again they KNOW that. Now as you claim, they did not know about the drug, how would you explain as 20 year old and an 18 year old looking and being the size of a 8 to 10 year old, if you do not use the word "DRUG". Which is more believable a drug that at times shrinks people or MAGIC?

[doublemoonlight]

well they would just assume Conan to be Shinnich and by the way Jodie might not know who this Shinnich is since she is from America not Japan. About the bug I thought it was Vermouth's doing.

[Divin]

@sstimson: Could you give me the exact page, where it is shown beyond doubt that the FBI bugged the place and didn't just tap the phone line.
Furthermore, if possible, that this tap is actually in Agasa's house and not just in Araide's office.

Because I searched for it, but only found a picture of Akai listening to both sides of a conversation, meaning it must be a tap. A bug in a room couldn't listen to the other side of a call. (Unless, of course, you claim that both rooms are bugged and he listens to them simultaneously)

[caribou]

Then the next page, Jodie Questions "But is she really that woman in the picture" and
"The Boy is certainly cool, but he is not a 'GUY' but a 'KID', right?" In those question shows she knows the truth, she just wants Vermouth to confirm it. It asking something you know just to hear you are right kind of question.

i think Jodie SUSPECTS that Conan is not really Conan but I don't think she knows his real identity yet, i.e. I don't think he has told her. The FBI had been hunting down Vermouth for a long time.. Somehow Jodie figured out that Vermouth is both Sharon and Chris, she has found a way to un-age herself. So Jodie knows that the Organisation that Vermouth is involved in may have something to do with a technology, substance, etc that allows a person to un-age.

So then Jodie meets Conan, this little boy that seems mentally far more mature than his physical age. and she sees how involved he is with the BO investigation.. I think she made the connection that this boy may also be an older person who un-aged and became a kid. But I don't think she knows that he is "Kudo Shinichi".

I guess it is arguable whether Akai and Jodie have figured it out already. My feeling is, they probably suspect and are pretty close to making that conclusion. But it would have been through their own deduction and not because Conan told them!

[Aokochan]

But do the FBI know who Sherry really is? Maybe they think sherry real appearence is that of haibara, and they think sherry is just thename the BO gives to her, and they don't know what the link betweeen sherry and the BO is. I think there's a moment when Jodie says she hadn't friends like Haibara, "at her age", so she talks about haibara as if she really was seven years old.
(sorry about my english)

[D.]

But do the FBI know who Sherry really is? Maybe they think sherry real appearence is that of haibara, and they think sherry is just thename the BO gives to her, and they don't know what the link betweeen sherry and the BO is. I think there's a moment when Jodie says she hadn't friends like Haibara, "at her age", so she talks about haibara as if she really was seven years old.
(sorry about my english)

Sorry, I wanted to help but I couldnt understand clearly. 

[Leuconoe]

But do the FBI know who Sherry really is? Maybe they think sherry real appearence is that of haibara, and they think sherry is just thename the BO gives to her, and they don't know what the link betweeen sherry and the BO is. I think there's a moment when Jodie says she hadn't friends like Haibara, "at her age", so she talks about haibara as if she really was seven years old.
(sorry about my english)

Due to Akai's previous acquaintance with her before she was shrunk, and the fact that the picture Vermouth kept on the dartboard was that of a full-grown woman, there's no doubt that they are certain of who she is and that she shrunk.
And as proof that they know for certain that Haibara and Sherry are the same person
http://dctp.ws/V42-Reader/V42-10Read/A5.html
Jodie was conscious for the entire conversation between Vermouth and Sherry. And note that Vermouth calls her a 'stupid woman,' as opposed to a 'stupid child'.

@sstimson: Could you give me the exact page, where it is shown beyond doubt that the FBI bugged the place and didn't just tap the phone line.
Furthermore, if possible, that this tap is actually in Agasa's house and not just in Araide's office.

Because I searched for it, but only found a picture of Akai listening to both sides of a conversation, meaning it must be a tap. A bug in a room couldn't listen to the other side of a call. (Unless, of course, you claim that both rooms are bugged and he listens to them simultaneously)

I personally think Jodie was wearing the bug so that Akai could hear what was going on. But I have no proof and highly doubt we'll ever hear anything about it. It's just not really important with Jodie and Akai finally being outed as allies.

[Aokochan]

Due to Akai's previous acquaintance with her before she was shrunk, and the fact that the picture Vermouth kept on the dartboard was that of a full-grown woman, there's no doubt that they are certain of who she is and that she shrunk.
And as proof that they know for certain that Haibara and Sherry are the same person
http://dctp.ws/V42-Reader/V42-10Read/A5.html
Jodie was conscious for the entire conversation between Vermouth and Sherry. And note that Vermouth calls her a 'stupid woman,' as opposed to a 'stupid child'.

Ah OK, thanks! Now I see it more clearly!

[Divin]

I personally think Jodie was wearing the bug so that Akai could hear what was going on. But I have no proof and highly doubt we'll ever hear anything about it. It's just not really important with Jodie and Akai finally being outed as allies.

Oh... totally forgot... that was also my first idea, when I saw the pictures. To sum up: bug on Jodie + bugs & taps in Araide's/Vermouth's place. At least that is my assumption.

I mean, if we furthermore assume a bit of realism, which frankly isn't a strong assumption with two shrunken teenagers, then the FBI can't just go around Japan and bug places and tap phones. I know they are a bit loose on the guidelines for jurisdictions when guns are concerned  , but illegally listening to innocent people. I don't know if Black or his superiors would have given the green light for that.
For Araide's place they have his blessing as he is in the witness protection program and bugging one of their agents isn't a problem, because... well in German there is this saying (and I translate it literally, since I don't know the corresponding expression): where no plaintiff, there no judge!

[sstimson]

Sorry to burst you bubble. You asked and here you go. First the Vermouth proof of a bug: Chapter 429 Page 8 (Vol 42 File 5 Page 8)

Spoiler:

.We know Jodie is not there at this time as in a little bit she will appear to pickup Conan dressed as Haibara.

FBI side: So Far only Akai listening while Jodie was there. But I know that in order for Jodie to stop Vermouth's plan she needed to be listening in. expect more later as I review cases.

[Divin]

Well... I never questioned Vermouth listening in. But as far as Jodie is concerned she could have gotten the information about fake-Araide trying to pick up fake-Ai during their telephone conversation, since Araide's phone was tapped. (in the Anime - and yes I know it is not canon - it is even shown that she listens to their phone call)

This leaves us, of course, with several timing issues. Jodie ordered FBI agents to the pier and Vermouth went there to send them away. Since we are talking about Jodie the plan wasn't made up on the spot, but was known for some time. Proof for that is that Vermouth knew about it from one of the FBI agents, however she might have gotten this information.
Thus this cannot all have happened after the phone call between fake-Araide and fake-Ai.

Hence, the question remaining is: did they know about the party due to a bug in Agasa's house or due to another source (they were staking out Mouri)? There is no evidence for either theory.
I give you that the bug sounds more reasonable. However, with the way Jodie still treats Conan and his secretive behaviour around Okiya (aka Akai... although I believe to have read that you don't share Chekhovs conclusion) I doubt that the FBI had a bug and knows Conan's identity.