If Conan, Heiji, Kaito Kid fought with B.O. will they win?

[Beastly]

Don't get me wrong, I WANT Heiji and Kaito to be in the ending. We can't let them miss out on all the fun!

And that is if were still alive on the ending hahahha JK

[bluekaitou1412]

Just the three of them..by themselves..... without powers? No.
Even as incompetent Vodka looks from time to time, he probably could handle all three of them with a call to his underlings. But if did this happen it would make a great "we lost ending", which I wouldn't mind(I don't hate DC obviously but if they lost it would make DC be at the top in memorable endings)

Picture a Noir ending where those three do take on the B.O. in a great tactical plan but the pure power of the B.O. makes the plan result in a total failure. Kaito gets shot down while trying to aid from the air and falls hard. Conan is trapped inside the burning B.O. tower which has been evacuated(and all important members are safely laughing at their new tower) while his only way of communicating is a DB bandage he gave to Heiji before the plan.

Spoiler:

Heiji: Kudo, Kudo, you alright? The firemen and Police are here. They'll get you out!*Heiji's all nicked up but safely outside*

Shinichi/Conan: Yeah....hey Hattori..we messed up bad this time didn't we? Where's Kaitou I--*unable to move and surronded by fire*

Heiji: He's okay(lying), but the important thing is getting you out so we can have a rematch with them again. We took their best hit even after our failed plan, a few days to walk of these wounds and we'll get them right, Kudo?....Kudo?

*The rest of the gang arrives outside*
Shinichi: ......It's over Hattori, we lost and they won. Give me your word that you won't throw away you life chasing them down. It isn't worth it *hears Ran who just arrived with the others*. Is that Ran? Let me talk to her..

Spoiler:

*Megure is yelling at his men to aid the firemen as one person is still trapped inside*
Heiji: What are you talking about? Are you just going to quit after all this time and stay Conan? This isn't over Kudo. *hands badge to Ran*

You don't hear what they talk about but Ran quickly falls to her knees, drops the badge, and begins sobbing uncontrollably. Haibara who is also there picks it up and begins to yell into the badge.Then her mood changes after Shinchi said something and :

Haibara: What are you saying?! You..You promised to be my prote----
*Building explodes into an inferno and firemen pull back*

The whole cast just stares at the fire in disbelief until Heiji breaks the silence by yelling for Shinichi and has to be restrained from going in there. Ran doesn't even look, as if someone already deduced for her that this was going to happened and apologized for it..

This type of ending would just have you bouncing off the walls as you watch it. And even though I should just leave it at this..I just thought of more to make this ending more evil dramatic, so I might post it.

I really think this would be EPIC.
I mean, I'd like DC to be different from other mushy-easywin-goodoverevil-whatever-animes.

[yukionna]

It would be nice if Kaito was in the ending.

[mizumi]

Come to think of it, have Heiji and/or Kaito ever helped Conan through a BO situation yet? Have they even appeared in the same episode? (Nevermind the OVA, I think it was non-canon)

Heiji did help Conan in background search of suspicious BO members methinks...
and He went to Jodie's house with Conan when they suspected jodie = vermouth. I don't think Heiji will be directly involve in the action
Jodie seem be interested in Heiji, maybe FBI recruit him some day xD

[ranger]

regarding the whole Black Org vs Conan epic battle, I think these would be the matchups:

Conan vs Black Org Boss (duh, right?)
Akai vs Gin
Jodie vs Vermouth
Ai vs Bourbon (?? It's kinda hard to fit where Ai would be...she has a quarrel with like all the main B.O. members)

Conan Supporters from the side:

Spoiler:

James Black
Camel
Kir
Eisuke
Hattori
(Perhaps Kaito...I don't think he will though because so far there has been no relation whatsoever between kaito and the BO)
Yusaku or Yukiko Kudo
Tokyo Police
Mouri Kogoro

Conan people who will screw things over:

Spoiler:

Hakase Agasa (I can't really see him as someone who's gonna support Conan, I'd more imagine him being a hostage and then Conan/Ai will flip out)
Detective Boys (do I need to explain?)
Ran
Kazuha
Eri

Black Org supporters:

Spoiler:

Chianti
Korn
Vodka
the countless B-org disciples

[Kor]

regarding the whole Black Org vs Conan epic battle, I think these would be the matchups:

Conan vs Black Org Boss (duh, right?)
Akai vs Gin
Jodie vs Vermouth
Ai vs Bourbon (?? It's kinda hard to fit where Ai would be...she has a quarrel with like all the main B.O. members)

Conan Supporters from the side:

Spoiler:

James Black
Camel
Kir
Eisuke
Hattori
(Perhaps Kaito...I don't think he will though because so far there has been no relation whatsoever between kaito and the BO)
Yusaku or Yukiko Kudo
Tokyo Police
Mouri Kogoro

Conan people who will screw things over:

Spoiler:

Hakase Agasa (I can't really see him as someone who's gonna support Conan, I'd more imagine him being a hostage and then Conan/Ai will flip out)
Detective Boys (do I need to explain?)
Ran
Kazuha
Eri

Black Org supporters:

Spoiler:

Chianti
Korn
Vodka
the countless B-org disciples

Eisuke a supporter?  NEVER!
I don't even want to see him in the ending...

Somehow, I have a premonition that Agasa will take a bullet that was meant for Ai. A lot of people say that Ai will take a bullet that was meant for Conan, but in which scenerio Gin (or anyone else from the B.O.) will shoot at Conan before they shoot at Haibara?
I'm not really sure though that Ai vs. Bourbon because as we know, Bourbon hates Akai even more than Gin so I want Akai vs. Bourbon and Ai vs. Gin (not that it makes sense...)

[Beastly]

regarding the whole Black Org vs Conan epic battle, I think these would be the matchups:

Conan vs Black Org Boss (duh, right?)
Akai vs Gin
Jodie vs Vermouth
Ai vs Bourbon (?? It's kinda hard to fit where Ai would be...she has a quarrel with like all the main B.O. members)

Conan Supporters from the side:

Spoiler:

James Black
Camel
Kir
Eisuke
Hattori
(Perhaps Kaito...I don't think he will though because so far there has been no relation whatsoever between kaito and the BO)
Yusaku or Yukiko Kudo
Tokyo Police
Mouri Kogoro

Conan people who will screw things over:

Spoiler:

Hakase Agasa (I can't really see him as someone who's gonna support Conan, I'd more imagine him being a hostage and then Conan/Ai will flip out)
Detective Boys (do I need to explain?)
Ran
Kazuha
Eri

Black Org supporters:

Spoiler:

Chianti
Korn
Vodka
the countless B-org disciples

Why will Eri make things hard just put his husband lol Perhaps Vermouth will help Conan i see in the end that Vermouth will somehow help Conan. Well i havent saw the Movie 13, I think Vermouth will somehow took a bullet meant for Conan and say "Bye Bye Cool Guy" lol. I think Vermouth is really not bad and really want to go out from org but cant somehow cant. Vodka will just make thing easier for Conan and gang hopefully Detective Boys is not there esp Genta he'll prob kill at least 3 because of his stupidity. Maybe Kid will help Conan a bit i dont want him to miss the fun hahahha. Maybe save something like on the movie Private Eyes Requiem. 

[Korn]

I'll praise Gosho if he makes an ending that they can't win against the organization. Most of the time, the manga is really easygoing and only on occasions there is a dark atmosphere (B.O. cases in general but the darkest until now was probably episode 345).
It also delivers a good message - there are fights that you can't win in (even if you do have an IQ like Conan's)

I don't think I can handle it it Gosho leaves DC a cliffhanger

Well neither can I.   :(
What I meant is that I don't mind to have an ending that Shinichi can't win so maybe some characters die and then we jump to the future and see how it affected the lives of the living characters who didn't know about the organization.
The (nasty) ending that I would like to see (if Gosho decides to pull something like an evil ending) is that Conan fails and gets killed, but Haibara and Ran stay alive. Haibara continues to live in the shadows and hides in her child identity and Ran sobs over Shinichi and decides to move on, but the two of them started to be closer to each other after that.

actually that is quite a good idea. Haibara would tell ran all the stuff that conan went through, so they'll start working together though i must say, the series wouldn't be the same

As for Kaito helping Conan in the final act, i think it would be really cool like saving his life by flying him away or something short!

Whatever, i don't think the end is near! not yet

[TheBlind]

regarding the whole Black Org vs Conan epic battle, I think these would be the matchups:

Conan vs Black Org Boss (duh, right?)
Akai vs Gin
Jodie vs Vermouth
Ai vs Bourbon (?? It's kinda hard to fit where Ai would be...she has a quarrel with like all the main B.O. members)

Conan Supporters from the side:

Spoiler:

James Black
Camel
Kir
Eisuke
Hattori
(Perhaps Kaito...I don't think he will though because so far there has been no relation whatsoever between kaito and the BO)
Yusaku or Yukiko Kudo
Tokyo Police
Mouri Kogoro

Conan people who will screw things over:

Spoiler:

Hakase Agasa (I can't really see him as someone who's gonna support Conan, I'd more imagine him being a hostage and then Conan/Ai will flip out)
Detective Boys (do I need to explain?)
Ran
Kazuha
Eri

Black Org supporters:

Spoiler:

Chianti
Korn
Vodka
the countless B-org disciples

Adding the DBs in the ending as the people that "screw things up" would just be evil. They already get in enough trouble during normal cases, that if they are actually included in the climax(being NOT helpful) it's Gosho confirming that he sees the DBs as an annoying plot device more than anything else.
With that said...I would be funny to see Gin make Vodka babysit the DBs(after abduction), which would end up in them out smarting Vodka and causing chaos at B.O. headquarters. .

As for the match ups, even though I'm guilty of using them myself, it just hit me how would they even work(outside FBI/CIA vs. B.O.)? I doubt that the Boss is just going to go quietly in the end...and I can't see Conan in a gun fight or actually defeating an evil Boss with a can/soccer ball and not causing massive  's.

Spoiler:

You forgot Ran vs. Vodka
Vodka looks like he would(after running out of bullets) rip of his shirt to reveal pure muscle and that he's a lethal assassin with his body and in jumps Ran to save Conan.

[ranger]

regarding the whole Black Org vs Conan epic battle, I think these would be the matchups:

Conan vs Black Org Boss (duh, right?)
Akai vs Gin
Jodie vs Vermouth
Ai vs Bourbon (?? It's kinda hard to fit where Ai would be...she has a quarrel with like all the main B.O. members)

Conan Supporters from the side:

Spoiler:

James Black
Camel
Kir
Eisuke
Hattori
(Perhaps Kaito...I don't think he will though because so far there has been no relation whatsoever between kaito and the BO)
Yusaku or Yukiko Kudo
Tokyo Police
Mouri Kogoro

Conan people who will screw things over:

Spoiler:

Hakase Agasa (I can't really see him as someone who's gonna support Conan, I'd more imagine him being a hostage and then Conan/Ai will flip out)
Detective Boys (do I need to explain?)
Ran
Kazuha
Eri

Black Org supporters:

Spoiler:

Chianti
Korn
Vodka
the countless B-org disciples

Adding the DBs in the ending as the people that "screw things up" would just be evil. They already get in enough trouble during normal cases, that if they are actually included in the climax(being NOT helpful) it's Gosho confirming that he sees the DBs as an annoying plot device more than anything else.
With that said...I would be funny to see Gin make Vodka babysit the DBs(after abduction), which would end up in them out smarting Vodka and causing chaos at B.O. headquarters. .

As for the match ups, even though I'm guilty of using them myself, it just hit me how would they even work(outside FBI/CIA vs. B.O.)? I doubt that the Boss is just going to go quietly in the end...and I can't see Conan in a gun fight or actually defeating an evil Boss with a can/soccer ball and not causing massive  's.

Spoiler:

You forgot Ran vs. Vodka
Vodka looks like he would(after running out of bullets) rip of his shirt to reveal pure muscle and that he's a lethal assassin with his body and in jumps Ran to save Conan.

lmao at the vodka part ripping off his shirt.

Regarding like Conan vs "Da Boss", it'd be more of a battle of wits...like tacticians on a battlefield.  I have no idea how Gosho plans to show the matchup, but I'd expect something awesome, maybe something along the line of Conan's role in Clash of Red and Black, except intensified to the max.

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

I seriously doubt Conan/Shinichi and pals are going to "raid the enemy base." Conan (it will most likely be primarily Conan's intellectual effort) is going to very cleverly trap them by manipulating events so they turn out to his liking. The boss and the rest of the org meanwhile will be doing the same. Shinichi might not even have all his facts lined up going in, but he will somehow manage to pull it out in the end with something jawdropping in its cleverness.

How I think the end will work out.

Spoiler:

      I imagine it will go down like a slightly more epic version of the confrontation with Vermouth; Conan will spend the majority of the time laying the plan and figuring out how to use the information accumulated over the course of the series to his advantage. Finally, there will be some triggering event that will cause Conan to put the plan into motion; perhaps the B.O. found out something or is threatening something sacred (like Ran). Conan will probably be flying by the seat of his pants at this point. The action will begin after that with both sides seeking to outmaneuver the other using whatever the triggering event is as a framework/setting.
      To avoid making the manga too mature, Gosho will "protect" Conan's pals and teen friends by having them primarily contribute in ways that don't involve them maiming people or getting too heavily into the line of fire. The police, the FBI, and Kogoro will be taking and giving out the real injuries on the protagonist's side.
    I expect that Conan will start cashing in some of his trump cards now. (Kir being a mole; Akai being alive, etc. whatever ones he has going in) Despite Conan's best efforts, everything will fall apart and look hopeless as the boss takes everything in stride and dominates the intellectual playing field with his own cunning traps. It will look pretty grim for Conan. The climax will probably be when Conan (not Shinichi but Conan), seemingly backed into a corner, reveals that the organization walked into his completely amazing, out-from-left-field trap. All of Conan's mysterious actions that didn't fit previously suddenly fall into place. Now is a good time for Conan to reveal his true identity. (Expect Ran to be party to the conversation somehow.) The Syndicate's last ditch struggle will probably involve something blowing up. This will provide a convenient karmic finish for the badguys who are unlikely to get carted off to prison, like Gin. Vermouth will probably have had the opportunity to interfere and ruin Conan's master plan completely, but she will have chosen not to for her own reasons. She may even have helped a little.
      When the dust has settled, Haibara will complete the antidote and Shinichi and Ran will be together and have their long awaited sappy love confession. (I hope Ran gives him a much deserved slap or fist to the face for lying all this time to her.) Conan/Shinichi will cry. (I'm not sure when or what the situation will be but it is bound to happen.) Also, Ai will genuinely smile, shocking the heck out of everyone including me. She may or may not take the antidote herself. (I think not personally.) I wonder if Ai will have confessed to Conan as well during the course of events? (If so, Conan probably had no idea it was coming.) I'm not sure Kaito Kid will even have a role in the end.

[caribou]

lmao at the vodka part ripping off his shirt.

Vodka: ....I AM THE HULKKK!!!!!!

I seriously doubt Conan/Shinichi and pals are going to "raid the enemy base." Conan (it will most likely be primarily Conan's intellectual effort) is going to very cleverly trap them by manipulating events so they turn out to his liking. The boss and the rest of the org meanwhile will be doing the same. Shinichi might not even have all his facts lined up going in, but he will somehow manage to pull it out in the end with something jawdropping in its cleverness.

How I think the end will work out.

Spoiler:

      I imagine it will go down like a slightly more epic version of the confrontation with Vermouth; Conan will spend the majority of the time laying the plan and figuring out how to use the information accumulated over the course of the series to his advantage. Finally, there will be some triggering event that will cause Conan to put the plan into motion; perhaps the B.O. found out something or is threatening something sacred (like Ran). Conan will probably be flying by the seat of his pants at this point. The action will begin after that with both sides seeking to outmaneuver the other using whatever the triggering event is as a framework/setting.
      To avoid making the manga too mature, Gosho will "protect" Conan's pals and teen friends by having them primarily contribute in ways that don't involve them maiming people or getting too heavily into the line of fire. The police, the FBI, and Kogoro will be taking and giving out the real injuries on the protagonist's side.
    I expect that Conan will start cashing in some of his trump cards now. (Kir being a mole; Akai being alive, etc. whatever ones he has going in) Despite Conan's best efforts, everything will fall apart and look hopeless as the boss takes everything in stride and dominates the intellectual playing field with his own cunning traps. It will look pretty grim for Conan. The climax will probably be when Conan (not Shinichi but Conan), seemingly backed into a corner, reveals that the organization walked into his completely amazing, out-from-left-field trap. All of Conan's mysterious actions that didn't fit previously suddenly fall into place. Now is a good time for Conan to reveal his true identity. (Expect Ran to be party to the conversation somehow.) The Syndicate's last ditch struggle will probably involve something blowing up. This will provide a convenient karmic finish for the badguys who are unlikely to get carted off to prison, like Gin. Vermouth will probably have had the opportunity to interfere and ruin Conan's master plan completely, but she will have chosen not to for her own reasons. She may even have helped a little.
      When the dust has settled, Haibara will complete the antidote and Shinichi and Ran will be together and have their long awaited sappy love confession. (I hope Ran gives him a much deserved slap or fist to the face for lying all this time to her.) Conan/Shinichi will cry. (I'm not sure when or what the situation will be but it is bound to happen.) Also, Ai will genuinely smile, shocking the heck out of everyone including me. She may or may not take the antidote herself. (I think not personally.) I wonder if Ai will have confessed to Conan as well during the course of events? (If so, Conan probably had no idea it was coming.) I'm not sure Kaito Kid will even have a role in the end.

hee, that sounds pretty cool too. I do like the idea of a bigger version of the Vermouth encounter. I only appreciated the cleverness of that when I found out all the little hints/details that Conan put into his plan!

Anyway, if Kaito Kid does come into the picture at all, I'd like him to be possibly rescuing Vermouth from the whole mess, possibly recognising her as his father's former student. 

[Abs.]

Anyway, if Kaito Kid does come into the picture at all, I'd like him to be possibly rescuing Vermouth from the whole mess, possibly recognising her as his mom. 

Fixed. 

Just kidding, but wouldn't that be interesting?  I mean we don't know who or where his mom is... if something happened to her (it does seem that Kaito's situation is like Shinichi's in that he lives alone)... the only mention of her existence seems to be in File 573, where Touichi says that his wife is a fan of Yukiko's "The Seven Knights I've Met" essays.

[TheBlind]

I seriously doubt Conan/Shinichi and pals are going to "raid the enemy base." Conan (it will most likely be primarily Conan's intellectual effort) is going to very cleverly trap them by manipulating events so they turn out to his liking. The boss and the rest of the org meanwhile will be doing the same. Shinichi might not even have all his facts lined up going in, but he will somehow manage to pull it out in the end with something jawdropping in its cleverness.

How I think the end will work out.

Spoiler:

      I imagine it will go down like a slightly more epic version of the confrontation with Vermouth; Conan will spend the majority of the time laying the plan and figuring out how to use the information accumulated over the course of the series to his advantage. Finally, there will be some triggering event that will cause Conan to put the plan into motion; perhaps the B.O. found out something or is threatening something sacred (like Ran). Conan will probably be flying by the seat of his pants at this point. The action will begin after that with both sides seeking to outmaneuver the other using whatever the triggering event is as a framework/setting.
      To avoid making the manga too mature, Gosho will "protect" Conan's pals and teen friends by having them primarily contribute in ways that don't involve them maiming people or getting too heavily into the line of fire. The police, the FBI, and Kogoro will be taking and giving out the real injuries on the protagonist's side.
    I expect that Conan will start cashing in some of his trump cards now. (Kir being a mole; Akai being alive, etc. whatever ones he has going in) Despite Conan's best efforts, everything will fall apart and look hopeless as the boss takes everything in stride and dominates the intellectual playing field with his own cunning traps. It will look pretty grim for Conan. The climax will probably be when Conan (not Shinichi but Conan), seemingly backed into a corner, reveals that the organization walked into his completely amazing, out-from-left-field trap. All of Conan's mysterious actions that didn't fit previously suddenly fall into place. Now is a good time for Conan to reveal his true identity. (Expect Ran to be party to the conversation somehow.) The Syndicate's last ditch struggle will probably involve something blowing up. This will provide a convenient karmic finish for the badguys who are unlikely to get carted off to prison, like Gin. Vermouth will probably have had the opportunity to interfere and ruin Conan's master plan completely, but she will have chosen not to for her own reasons. She may even have helped a little.
      When the dust has settled, Haibara will complete the antidote and Shinichi and Ran will be together and have their long awaited sappy love confession. (I hope Ran gives him a much deserved slap or fist to the face for lying all this time to her.) Conan/Shinichi will cry. (I'm not sure when or what the situation will be but it is bound to happen.) Also, Ai will genuinely smile, shocking the heck out of everyone including me. She may or may not take the antidote herself. (I think not personally.) I wonder if Ai will have confessed to Conan as well during the course of events? (If so, Conan probably had no idea it was coming.) I'm not sure Kaito Kid will even have a role in the end.

I like this ending except for one thing(and I'm not singling you out), the B.O. being taken down in one hit. Gosho has turned the B.O. into a monster that expands beyond countries and governments while operating in the shadows . So for Conan to bring it all down simultaneously on ALL continents just because they took down the boss is hard to believe. Gosho is really going to have to explain this one well(probably why he has yet to start ending the series, building up money and time for his escape) or just concede from the start of the ending that it's going to be one of those "all the good guys win and are happy;all the bad guys are caught or die..even if it makes no sense" things.

..Or worse, it's will be one of those "thanks hero, but we'll wrap it up from here" endings. Conan defeats the boss and gets his normal life back but the B.O. is still around and the FBI/CIA continue with their goal....leaving it open ended...

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

I like this ending except for one thing(and I'm not singling you out), the B.O. being taken down in one hit. Gosho has turned the B.O. into a monster that expands beyond countries and governments while operating in the shadows . So for Conan to bring it all down simultaneously on ALL continents just because they took down the boss is hard to believe. Gosho is really going to have to explain this one well(probably why he has yet to start ending the series, building up money and time for his escape) or just concede from the start of the ending that it's going to be one of those "all the good guys win and are happy;all the bad guys are caught or die..even if it makes no sense" things.

..Or worse, it's will be one of those "thanks hero, but we'll wrap it up from here" endings. Conan defeats the boss and gets his normal life back but the B.O. is still around and the FBI/CIA continue with their goal....leaving it open ended...

I never dislike fair criticism. The fall of the B.O. could be domino-like; although those other Syndicate chapters might not fall, enough information like their existence in other countries along with important names is compromised so that the police/intelligence agencies in other countries can begin a purge. The wave of anti-crime effort spreads out from Japan to the rest of the globe like kudzu eats forests. The emphasis is on Shinichi catalyzing the change and the rest of the world following in his charge against the evil syndicate rather than people taking over from there.
Another way could be that unable to exist in their present form without the boss holding keeping them it line, the various global B.O. factions might dissolve and begin infighting which is a fairly common thing when a gang/mafia leader dies without clear succession. This would work if the loyalty of the other chapters depends on the receiving the final product of the research that will likely experience a major or permanent setback with the destruction of Japan's chapter and its data. (I seems likely to me that after Haibara finishes the antidote, she is going to erase all the data on the experiments.) That would effectively kill the Organization as well.
Or maybe Shinichi can go travelling his newlywed wife Ran engaging in mafia-busting tourism.