Is Kogoro awake during the deduction ? [703 spoiler alert]

[Tenken]

Yea.   Considering this as a detective series, it's too flawed to have the characters ignore Conan's work behind-the-scenes.
Anyone with his eyes open can see Kogoro's weird way of falling asleep,
how he can "talk" when he doesn't even move his lips!
or ask the question: Why doesn't Mr. Mori remember ANYTHING about the cases he solved?

[kirite]

Well considering the entire population of Japan watching sleeping Kogoro deductions on TV doesn't notice Conan talking into a bowtie or Kogoro's mouth not moving, I'm not too surprised.

On a smaller scale nobody noticed in the Japanese police force either.  Not even when it happens for both Sonoko and Kogoro.

In fact the only person who noticed anything was Hondou Eisuke and that's only because he suspected Conan in the first place!!  He knew Conan is the genius behind Kogoro's deductions before hand and that's the only reason why he looked at Conan carefully during the deductions.

As to Ran I'm sure she notices Conan behind Kogoro, however she just assumes Kogoro wants Conan near by to tell him to fetch people/things.  She's used to seeing Conan pop up with some obscure evidence and then say "Mouri-ojisan told me to get it" 8D.

As to Conan not looking as hidden as before.  I'm guessing it has to do with the manga frames.  In the old style you'll have to draw a new frame showing Conan hiding and talking then drawing a frame with Kogoro.  With Conan not as hidden you can draw them both in the same frame.

I'm guessing:

If Conan is behind a pole that Kogoro is leaning on, then the speech bubbles will be coming from Kogoro, or they'll have to use broken line speech bubbles to show the voice doesn't actually belong to him.  Of course we know that but what if Kogoro wakes up and starts talking?  It'll be confusing.

If Conan is beside the pole that Kogoro is leaning on, which basically means he's beside Kogoro we can clearly see it's Conan who's talking. 

-shrug- something along those lines.

[khonan33]

Mouri may not have been awake for the beginning, but he definitely was for the finish.  He had to be in order to respond to the cashier's question and he responded too well to be 'caught sleeping'.  He had to be aware of the current gist to jump into the flow as he did. 
In disclosing that his knowledge was sent to him via a cell-phone message, it was not done in the usual Mouri manner.  That is, there was no bragging about his 'great deductions'.  Also, he revealed this with such a downcast face, that he had to have received a major blow to his personality.  Self-realization can do that to you.  Remember, these reactions are controlled by Gosho, and 99.9% of the time he has a reason for displaying a face that is contrary to past displays.
It is possible that he has had suspicions for awhile.  I have always wondered what would happen if one of Conan's darts got caught up in Mouri's clothing or if he started to develop a resistance to the darts.  If he found a dart in his clothing, he may question its existence.  Especially if he pricked his finger and felt a slight 'sleepy feeling'.  As everybody knows,  Gosho always has 'background' scenarios running around.  Witness the current manga arc with the B.O. coming out of nowhere to be involved.
In the beginning, Mouri would come out of it long after Conan has revealed everything.  Recently tho, his recovery times have been shorter.  I am quite sure there have been times when he has revived before Conan has finished.

[Nyarl]

Yea.   Considering this as a detective series, it's too flawed to have the characters ignore Conan's work behind-the-scenes.
Anyone with his eyes open can see Kogoro's weird way of falling asleep,
how he can "talk" when he doesn't even move his lips!
or ask the question: Why doesn't Mr. Mori remember ANYTHING about the cases he solved?

Aoyama has actually touched on that stuff explicitly over the years.

Kogoro looks like he's sleeping, hence the “Nemuri no Kogoroâ€

[SkyVenger]

Anyone with his eyes open can see Kogoro's weird way of falling asleep,
how he can "talk" when he doesn't even move his lips!
or ask the question: Why doesn't Mr. Mori remember ANYTHING about the cases he solved?

How the others (Ran etc.) see things:

TRUTH: Conan speaks using a voice-changing bowtie, and a speaker attached to Kogoro.
SEEN: Kogoro dancing, sleeping, and deducing. To those suspicious, they think he's probably using ventriloquism while acting asleep (to act cool? rofl )

TRUTH: Kogoro really wouldn't know about Conan's deductions since he is asleep.
SEEN: He probably says that he doesn't remember anything, but it isn't really given emphasis by many (besides Eisuke). Others might think that he's the humble guy, but during storytime when he's drunk, he could only share about less than 10 (or 5) cases. Poor guy ;P

I can't really explain the stupidity of the "audience" in the DC world; there are at least an intelligent few like Sato and Araide, but well... they still don't figure it out

In any case, the answer to the main topic is that Kogoro awoke after the crucial part of the deduction, so he probably hasn't figured out about Conan anything yet. But I know that after some time, he'll be like Zenigata who's highly resistant to Conan's needle (after being made to sleep by Lupin dozens of times ^^)

[jmvicuna]

In fact the only person who noticed anything was Hondou Eisuke and that's only because he suspected Conan in the first place!!  He knew Conan is the genius behind Kogoro's deductions before hand and that's the only reason why he looked at Conan carefully during the deductions.

Well, there is another person... Hattori Heiji.... he discovered that Conan is Shinnishi just after he saw conan sleeping him... So there must be more people that will discover the trick.

I think that we will have a "Ran suspicious" story in this BO arc

[Akonyl]

On a smaller scale nobody noticed in the Japanese police force either.  Not even when it happens for both Sonoko and Kogoro.

In fact the only person who noticed anything was Hondou Eisuke and that's only because he suspected Conan in the first place!!  He knew Conan is the genius behind Kogoro's deductions before hand and that's the only reason why he looked at Conan carefully during the deductions.

well to be fair, if Conan gave her the chance, Sato might find out about the whole sleeping Kogoro thing. He just never does it around her though, because the one or two times that he did, she started messing with Kogoro. So if she got a few more chances, she might be able to realize that something isn't quite right.

[caribou]

I don't think Aoyama is just getting lazy, either. If he were, he could frame the scenes so he's not drawing the bow tie clearly at all and just hope readers don't think about how visible the bow tie might be to the other characters. I think Conan screwed up big time (again). Of course, the Org. would be more interested in the pics of scarred!Akai, so Conan might luck out again and survive until file 800. (Though, Kogoro simply showing up close to the FBI/scarred!Akai again should in itself rekindle Gin's suspicious about him, assuming he actually got over them in the first place. If not, I hope there's a reason for it that we learn sometime before file 1,000...)

i dont mean lazy in that way... I appreciate that Gosho always has pretty detailed panels, which I think is important in a detective series but that in the past there would be those few extra panels where Conan tries to hide himself before speaking through the bowtie, whereas recently it seems Gosho doesn't do that anymore and Conan just talks in the open, so I'm wondering if this was done intentionally...

I agree though that Gin might become suspicious about Kogoro again, I don't think he got over them, just gotten distracted by other things meanwhile (getting Kir back, killing Akai...)

logically, you wouldn't look at Conan when  hearing kogoro's voice

Case closed lol 

that is true and that is what I assume what happens but then again I find it funny that no one ever notices this little kid muttering to himself! all I can tell myself in Gosho's defence is that it HAS been about 300 cases or something like that and surely it must be very taxing to think of ways to hide Conan/avoid suspicious characters like Ran, Satou, etc, every single time...

[Miyano-sama]

Kogoro became conscious as soon as Conan finished talking...
In fact, Kogoro, Ran, Sonoko, and all stupid characters in Detective Conan don't notice the fact that Kogoro is sleeping and Conan is talking...
(There are times when Ran tried to be a little bit clever)
Non-stupid characters include people like Gin, Jodie, Akai, Okiya and Eisuke
If Okiya was watching the deduction scene, then I bit that he has noticed...

[Natsumi]

He could have been awake.
He could have noticed something particular, about how hes always asleep and someone else was solving cases for him.

Or he could be drunk out of his mind and a complete ego maniac.

Either way,
we love kogoro. ♥

[kirite]

I don't think Aoyama is just getting lazy, either. If he were, he could frame the scenes so he's not drawing the bow tie clearly at all and just hope readers don't think about how visible the bow tie might be to the other characters.

I don't mean he's getting lazy, I just mean framing it this way is a different way of planning his pages.  He can show more background, different angles of the room and the reaction of other people with Kogoro and Conan still in the frame.  -Shrug- though he can also be using this to show Conan as being less careful then before.

If he doesn't draw Conan's bowtie clearly then it won't look like he's using the voice changer.  Of course we the readers of DC for many season would know but he's probably just keeping it visible to be consistent.

[Introuble]

Kogoro became conscious as soon as Conan finished talking...
In fact, Kogoro, Ran, Sonoko, and all stupid characters in Detective Conan don't notice the fact that Kogoro is sleeping and Conan is talking...
(There are times when Ran tried to be a little bit clever)
Non-stupid characters include people like Gin, Jodie, Akai, Okiya and Eisuke
If Okiya was watching the deduction scene, then I bit that he has noticed...

LOL i agree with you 100% Kogoro,Ran and Sonoko are kinda stupid they should have realized something by now.
sometimes conan even does it out in the open....if i remember i think there was a time wherein sato was really close in figuring it out?

[Eve]

Kogoro became conscious as soon as Conan finished talking...
In fact, Kogoro, Ran, Sonoko, and all stupid characters in Detective Conan don't notice the fact that Kogoro is sleeping and Conan is talking...
(There are times when Ran tried to be a little bit clever)
Non-stupid characters include people like Gin, Jodie, Akai, Okiya and Eisuke
If Okiya was watching the deduction scene, then I bit that he has noticed...

LOL i agree with you 100% Kogoro,Ran and Sonoko are kinda stupid they should have realized something by now.
sometimes conan even does it out in the open....if i remember i think there was a time wherein sato was really close in figuring it out?

Kogoro... if it's about being stupid, this guy is the most really, even a normal person would have notice by now that ever since a brat showed up, you have become famous for solving cases, but you don't remember them, and every time, every single time, the brat was there, not to mention the most recent one, the brat was like right in front of you speaking...XDDDDD seriously.... either he refuse to notice or he's really stupid...

[Akonyl]

Kogoro became conscious as soon as Conan finished talking...
In fact, Kogoro, Ran, Sonoko, and all stupid characters in Detective Conan don't notice the fact that Kogoro is sleeping and Conan is talking...
(There are times when Ran tried to be a little bit clever)
Non-stupid characters include people like Gin, Jodie, Akai, Okiya and Eisuke
If Okiya was watching the deduction scene, then I bit that he has noticed...

LOL i agree with you 100% Kogoro,Ran and Sonoko are kinda stupid they should have realized something by now.
sometimes conan even does it out in the open....if i remember i think there was a time wherein sato was really close in figuring it out?

Kogoro... if it's about being stupid, this guy is the most really, even a normal person would have notice by now that ever since a brat showed up, you have become famous for solving cases, but you don't remember them, and every time, every single time, the brat was there, not to mention the most recent one, the brat was like right in front of you speaking...XDDDDD seriously.... either he refuse to notice or he's really stupid...

I would like it if it turned out that kogoro's known for a really long time about conan solving his cases, but he plays along just because he wants the fame so badly, and needs the money.

[sstimson]

Kogoro became conscious as soon as Conan finished talking...
In fact, Kogoro, Ran, Sonoko, and all stupid characters in Detective Conan don't notice the fact that Kogoro is sleeping and Conan is talking...
(There are times when Ran tried to be a little bit clever)
Non-stupid characters include people like Gin, Jodie, Akai, Okiya and Eisuke
If Okiya was watching the deduction scene, then I bit that he has noticed...

I would not put Ran in the 'Stupid" group. I think she knows something is going on. (if she does not then indeed she does fit) She just is biding her time and collecting evidence. She must know by now at least that Conan might be just a little too smart.

Come to think of it Kogoro is not really stupid either. If you do not believe me ,just watch him when he is serious. Remember him finding his wife ring, bringing a class mate to justice. He shows smarts in even though not remembering how the case got solved, he pretends like he does. After all, he does not want to kill the Golden goose. He also must by now know somehing is going on and it started when Conan 'joined' the family. But he also knows that he became famous about the same time.