Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 903-905: Poolside Case (New rules, please read!)

[Conan 48:69]

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If Mystery Girl still not trust Conan just by hearing Masumi's opinion, can she ask her sons or she don't know how to contact them. It is unreasonable for mother don't know her sons' phone numbers.

Shuichi followed Conan's plan to fake death proved he was trusted Conan. Could Mystery Girl like Masumi think Shuichi is dead, or she know Shuichi is alive but don't know he is currently disguised as Subaru Okiya and staying at Kudou Residence.

If middle brother is really Shukichi Haneda, he thinks Conan is capable to solve a case after seeing his deduction skill. Later Masumi sent Conan's photo to her middle brother, he replied "If it's him, there's no problem", proved he believed Conan is more capable to solve a case than Masumi. No matter he thinks Conan is shrunken by drug and never doubt Conan is too smart as a child. Finally during Shogi Meijin case, he is willing to tell Conan the truth behind for skipping his Shogi match and solved codes with Conan.

Since Mystery Girl knows Shukichi is Shogi Meijin, even Masumi knows his phone number, how do Mystery Girl don't know. Like Mystery Girl knows Shukichi's occupation but Masumi don't know.

Anyways, Mystery Girl could appear in this series again.

[KaitoHedgehog]

Now I wonder how we can discuss this. Man, I miss the little Detective already, I feel so empty...

[Nemomon]

Spoiler:

There's no doubt that MG is a shrunken person. The way she acts and talks.

But she's kind of weird too. Especially her: "If this fellow is not worthy of our expectations... We shall have to leave at once and find a new base of operations."

If she shrank, she should tell about this only to another shrunken person. Since she wants to tell that Conan, she must know he shrank as well. Then why she considers that he man not be worthy their expectations? Hmm... And then again, if that "small child" shrank as well, he by default must be important person, and not an ordinary man, or otherwise the BO would not waste the APTX against him. Wonder, what MG expects of Conan?

[jimmy_kud0_tv2]

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calling it now: the glass shards are from a mirror

the killer rigged up a trick to hide the body behind a mirror under the water and a way to break away the mirror to reveal the body after they have set up an alibi.

I only just realized that I forgot to put a spoiler box around what I posted. Thank you to the Mod that fixed it!

to add to what I wrote about above

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I think that its possible that the mirror was used to combine the power of Reflection with Refraction somehow.

Although... there is also the possibility that one could use a glass flower vase full of water to make it heavier and just bash the person over the head t kill them. It just doesn't explain how the hotel staff didn't see the victim in the water around 10 minutes earlier when they checked.

[k11chi]

I really want to know where the MG stands smarts-wise in the series... Is she above Masumi?

[Fennec]

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A thought on Shuukichi's "hidden" status. It may be for his own safety. He's a bit of a celebrity in the Shogi world, right? They may be trying to minimize any connections between him and the rest of the Akai clan, since the BO would be all over him. It also seems to me he's probably distancing himself from the family's detective-laden lifestyle, since he has his own life. That may be why they're not 100% open with his status to Sera—she'd possibly try to pull him in. Though that last bit's a bit far-fetched...

...Also, is it just me, or does the mystery girl have a Yukiko-esque curl to her hair...?

[jimmy_kud0_tv2]

Spoiler:

A thought on Shuukichi's "hidden" status. It may be for his own safety. He's a bit of a celebrity in the Shogi world, right? They may be trying to minimize any connections between him and the rest of the Akai clan, since the BO would be all over him. It also seems to me he's probably distancing himself from the family's detective-laden lifestyle, since he has his own life. That may be why they're not 100% open with his status to Sera—she'd possibly try to pull him in. Though that last bit's a bit far-fetched...

...Also, is it just me, or does the mystery girl have a Yukiko-esque curl to her hair...?

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If Shuukichi was trying to hide himself in any form of respect, I seriously doubt that he would allow himself to be put on tv or photographed for any reason. Remember that Vodka was watching the video from the Bank Heist and was looking close enough that he spotted Scar Akai and the BO took action against it. If Shuukichi was the middle brother and the BO knew anything about what he looks like AND he is on tv for winning the Mejin title as well as in internet articles then wouldn't the BO reasonably be able to find him? Why wouldn't Masumi be able to find him? That doesn't seem to be any reasonable way to hide oneself. When he goes out, random people recognize him on the street like the guy in the restaurant in the flashback to 2 days ago in file 899. Even if he does distance himself from the people that DC fans seem to assume he is related to, wouldn't it seem like playing with fire to answer the calls and texts coming from Masumi if he is the middle brother?

Does Shuukichi stuff really still need to be under a spoiler tag even if he is not in this case? I guess I will put mine under a spoiler tag just to keep consistent with the posts in this thread so far.

As for the mystery girl, Gosho said in an interview that two women may be revealed to be sisters. In a later interview for SDB 70+ it seems that he specifically said that Yukiko was not one of these women. We saw that Yukiko was still full sized in the recent Scarlet series so the curl thing may just be a coincidence.

[Okiyakaivan]

File 904 out 1 august right?

[jimmy_kud0_tv2]

Spoiler:

After reading the chapter over and over I just want to point these things out before the next chapter surfaces

The Fiance / Company Secretary seems a bit suspicious. He rubs oil on the victim and at that time is close enough to her to take the necklace right before it is pointed out to be missing (although this could also be done by the step sister). He is the one that suggests that the necklace fell off in the pool, he is also the one who brought the scuba tank because he thought it would be needed. He also rushed straight to the body before anyone else could get there, which is usually used as a way for culprits to hide evidence. When he said what place he went to search for her, he said that she wasn't at their home, presumably away from the hotel. If the other people who were searching thought that he had left the hotel, he would have the ability to move around in areas that he knew were already searched, like the pool "10 minutes ago".

The Hotel Manager is suspicious because of how he acted when they saw the body in the pool. He had supposedly just come from searching for the victim, which means while he was standing in the lobby he was probably wearing shoes of some kind. When they begin running for the pool he takes the time to take off his jacket and shoes, and socks if he had any, but we can't see if he did. If it is later pointed out that he had socks on, then taking the time to take his socks off on the way into the pool would seem suspicious, especially since he was the one who stepped on the glass shards. Maybe his foot already had a glass cut on it and he is just covering it up by being in the pool sock-less and standing where he knows glass shards are to make it seem like it just happened?

As for motives, there seem to be three things that could be the possible motive. There was the fact that there may be a plan to steal half of the inheritance of the family, there is the death of the Step Sister's mother, and the general having to marry someone who even mistreats her own family. Judging by previous cases across the series, previous deaths are usually the motive for what happens in the present, but maybe it will be something else this time?

Honestly the whole inheritance thing seems like a bit of a misdirection since even the manager of the hotel tells her that she is over thinking it, meaning he may know the real reason for the other two meeting in the hotel. They could be planning something like a birthday party, or even the wedding since the victim and the secretary are engaged. You know, something that would need time to plan and would require a large venue like a hotel...

[watchdog]

Spoiler:

my idea about the case is -> how could the man know it's pieces of glass as a first reaction to the blood

knowing that they couldn't see it in the beginning

my guess that he's the criminal

[ALAKTORN]

Spoiler:

my idea about the case is -> how could the man know it's pieces of glass as a first reaction to the blood

knowing that they couldn't see it in the beginning

my guess that he's the criminal

Spoiler:

He looked under the water after he got hurt.

[watchdog]

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hurt? only him?

[watchdog]

Spoiler:

my idea about the case is -> how could the man know it's pieces of glass as a first reaction to the blood

knowing that they couldn't see it in the beginning

my guess that he's the criminal

Spoiler:

He looked under the water after he got hurt.

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still , can you see the glass pieces under the water? science time http://michaelholcombe.wordpress.com/20 ... der-water/

[Kor]

Regarding the cover page of this file, I don't think it's quite possible to sit at the bottom of a pool if you still have air in your mouth. Or at least I'd say it's easier to do so without air.

Spoiler:

So far I'm gonna say the hotel manager is a good candidate to be the culprit, but that's just pure speculation. The victim's accusations of the other two suspects seemed more severe, and the manager seems to lack motive at this point. Plus, he carried the oxygen tank out of the pool (after the body was found) so he may have tried to cover up something that he did to the tank.

Again just a speculation at this point.

EDIT: Also, I kinda hope Conan isn't worthy of their expectations, so Sera and mystery kid leave XD

[User 4869]

A discussion in cbox some days ago result roughly in the following. Unfortunately I don't remembers the participants. But there's Fujiwara at least.

Spoiler:

The fiance bring oxygen tank with him, saying the victim may ask for it. Who need oxygen tank in a swimming pool? I also jokingly ask if he hitting on Sonoko mean he's the culprit. But, no, the translation say he knows her from the other time.

Somebody propose mirror to hides body trick. And a question was brought up about how long it take a drown body to float. Answer, many hours to some days.

Noted that important point is the body was not seen in the pool 10 minutes before discovery. We may get alibi information in the next file.

For those who can't find the file. remember there's Fujiwara summary on the DCTP main page, and there's DCW file summary in volumes page.

http://www.dctp.ws/2014/07/27/summary-f ... -the-pool/
http://www.detectiveconanworld.com/wiki/Volume_85