Details relating to the end of 894 (warning: spoilers)

[Yuki_JX]

If it is a woman, big possibility it is Jodie. Yukiko can only face Vermouth, but not the other BO Members because facing them is a big risk for her life Conan knows that. I already write it on the other thread that the mask is probably use to hide the fact that it is not perfect disguise as what vermouth capable of doing.

[k11chi]

We can't even see the first from the right angle...

That shape difference is not visible either...

It better be Yusaku, he's watching that thing on the TV for a reason.

[PhantomWriter]

We can't even see the first from the right angle...

That shape difference is not visible either...

It better be Yusaku, he's watching that thing on the TV for a reason.

Doesn't work. Yuusaku's body proportions are different than Mask Subaru.

Yuusaku during the London arc:


Mask Subaru:


Yuusaku's proportions are closer to Akai/Subaru:

[k11chi]

They can be leaning more to the back with their left side in either of those pics... It's not possible to pixel scale those equally..

[Yuki_JX]

No its not Yusaku in my opinion. First its a big risk for his life to face directly the BO members, second if it is Yusaku it will make more complications cause Yusaku has no motive/gain/reason in Amuro's perspective, third like the TS pointed out a lot of difference between the original Subaru and masked Subaru this proves that the masked Subaru is an amateur in disguising and much like a female (female has narrow shoulder oppose to male with broad shoulder) fitted only i think to Jodie.

[PhantomWriter]

Also, for clarification on the height differences between Jodie, James, and Akai, I dug through Clash of Red and Black for this:

[Fennec]

If we are looking at Yukiko here, it will be interesting because she seems less able to keep her cool compared to other characters. I would think Amuro would have the advantage over Yukiko unless someone else like Akai or Conan is doing the talking. Well, I suppose there will be some method to the casting.

A ventriloquist act seems like a pretty likely idea. The mask would hide that Yukiko's mouth didn't totally match the words, and Conan could hide a speaker on her body out of sight, so even if Amuro pulled down the mask suddenly he'd see a normal mouth. Besides, despite her personality she IS an actress, so she'd probably be able to come up with something pretty fast if necessary.

I doubt it's Jodie, and not just because I doubt Conan would let it out of the bag just yet. From a writer's perspective, having such a big reveal happen off-screen would be a waste, even if it were to be shown later in a flashback. Besides, while interacting with the BO is normally dangerous, Conan has good reason to suspect that Amuro's part of the Public Security Bureau so he'd see no reason to keep his mom out. Though why he'd go out of his way to confirm Akai was alive AND tell Vermouth makes me suspicious of that...

Although, for the sake of crack theories: what about Kir? Unlikely, but still, she's one of the few women to know about the Okaiya conspiracy.

[PhantomWriter]

If we are looking at Yukiko here, it will be interesting because she seems less able to keep her cool compared to other characters. I would think Amuro would have the advantage over Yukiko unless someone else like Akai or Conan is doing the talking. Well, I suppose there will be some method to the casting.

A ventriloquist act seems like a pretty likely idea. The mask would hide that Yukiko's mouth didn't totally match the words, and Conan could hide a speaker on her body out of sight, so even if Amuro pulled down the mask suddenly he'd see a normal mouth. Besides, despite her personality she IS an actress, so she'd probably be able to come up with something pretty fast if necessary.

I doubt it's Jodie, and not just because I doubt Conan would let it out of the bag just yet. From a writer's perspective, having such a big reveal happen off-screen would be a waste, even if it were to be shown later in a flashback. Besides, while interacting with the BO is normally dangerous, Conan has good reason to suspect that Amuro's part of the Public Security Bureau so he'd see no reason to keep his mom out. Though why he'd go out of his way to confirm Akai was alive AND tell Vermouth makes me suspicious of that...

Although, for the sake of crack theories: what about Kir? Unlikely, but still, she's one of the few women to know about the Okaiya conspiracy.

I'm a bit skeptical, as Yukiko is at a definite disadvantage with her personality type: Amuro's motif is psychological trickery. It's entirely possible that he will try to rile up Mask Subaru. In such a situation, Yukiko would likely let slip information much like Conan did. And there is the issue of how it's about a day later. We don't know what either side's plan is and that is where a lot of the tension comes from. If we were shown a plan, that plan would invariably need to go wrong to maintain tension from a writing standpoint.

Kir would then have to be in the area and it would put her whole cover in danger even more than it already is and Amuro would probably shoot her if she was unmasked. Sorry, but no.

[Yuki_JX]

If we are looking at Yukiko here, it will be interesting because she seems less able to keep her cool compared to other characters. I would think Amuro would have the advantage over Yukiko unless someone else like Akai or Conan is doing the talking. Well, I suppose there will be some method to the casting.

A ventriloquist act seems like a pretty likely idea. The mask would hide that Yukiko's mouth didn't totally match the words, and Conan could hide a speaker on her body out of sight, so even if Amuro pulled down the mask suddenly he'd see a normal mouth. Besides, despite her personality she IS an actress, so she'd probably be able to come up with something pretty fast if necessary.

I doubt it's Jodie, and not just because I doubt Conan would let it out of the bag just yet. From a writer's perspective, having such a big reveal happen off-screen would be a waste, even if it were to be shown later in a flashback. Besides, while interacting with the BO is normally dangerous, Conan has good reason to suspect that Amuro's part of the Public Security Bureau so he'd see no reason to keep his mom out. Though why he'd go out of his way to confirm Akai was alive AND tell Vermouth makes me suspicious of that...

Although, for the sake of crack theories: what about Kir? Unlikely, but still, she's one of the few women to know about the Okaiya conspiracy.

Ventriloquism? that to unrealistic to this case especially if your mouth is covered with a mask. Is much more like a lip-syncing to me.

Yukiko is not an amateur in disguising like what the Mask Subaru is doing right now
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=12255 for reference
Conan will not use, Yukiko, her own mother when dealing with BO Members because it is a big risk/danger to her life. Like I always pointing out the only BO member can Yukiko face is Vermouth (cause they are friends before). Remember, Kir (a CIA) was forced to kill her own father in order to protect Kir's cover in BO therefore even Amuro is an undercover agent may force to kill anyone in order to protect his cover too.
Also like I always pointing out Yusaku and Yukiko have no gain/motive/objective/reason
to pose as Subaru making Amuro more suspicious if one of them will pose.

Its not a big deal/thing if Jodie pose as Subaru so why not?

Big risk for Kir it may blow her cover in BO.

[RoboG55]

If we are looking at Yukiko here, it will be interesting because she seems less able to keep her cool compared to other characters. I would think Amuro would have the advantage over Yukiko unless someone else like Akai or Conan is doing the talking. Well, I suppose there will be some method to the casting.

A ventriloquist act seems like a pretty likely idea. The mask would hide that Yukiko's mouth didn't totally match the words, and Conan could hide a speaker on her body out of sight, so even if Amuro pulled down the mask suddenly he'd see a normal mouth. Besides, despite her personality she IS an actress, so she'd probably be able to come up with something pretty fast if necessary.

I doubt it's Jodie, and not just because I doubt Conan would let it out of the bag just yet. From a writer's perspective, having such a big reveal happen off-screen would be a waste, even if it were to be shown later in a flashback. Besides, while interacting with the BO is normally dangerous, Conan has good reason to suspect that Amuro's part of the Public Security Bureau so he'd see no reason to keep his mom out. Though why he'd go out of his way to confirm Akai was alive AND tell Vermouth makes me suspicious of that...

Although, for the sake of crack theories: what about Kir? Unlikely, but still, she's one of the few women to know about the Okaiya conspiracy.

Ventriloquism? that to unrealistic to this case especially if your mouth is covered with a mask. Is much more like a lip-syncing to me.

Yukiko is not an amateur in disguising like what the Mask Subaru is doing right now
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=12255 for reference
Conan will not use, Yukiko, her own mother when dealing with BO Members because it is a big risk/danger to her life. Like I always pointing out the only BO member can Yukiko face is Vermouth (cause they are friends before). Remember, Kir (a CIA) was forced to kill her own father in order to protect Kir's cover in BO therefore even Amuro is an undercover agent may force to kill anyone in order to protect his cover too.
Also like I always pointing out Yusaku and Yukiko have no gain/motive/objective/reason
to pose as Subaru making Amuro more suspicious if one of them will pose.

Its not a big deal/thing if Jodie pose as Subaru so why not?

Big risk for Kir it may blow her cover in BO.

Wasn't Jodie with Conan though? Jodie doesn't get too much information from Conan on the situation either...

[The_evilbit]

Wasn't Jodie with Conan though? Jodie doesn't get too much information from Conan on the situation either...

Well if we go the Jodie and or <insert FBI agent here> route, technically a significant portion of time passes (At least a day) between page 8 and page 14 of file 894.

[Jd-]

I'm keeping up with this topic, but it's kind of outside my realm of expertise. Good luck to all, let us see how it turns out in a few days.

[PhantomWriter]

Wasn't Jodie with Conan though? Jodie doesn't get too much information from Conan on the situation either...

Well if we go the Jodie and or <insert FBI agent here> route, technically a significant portion of time passes (At least a day) between page 8 and page 14 of file 894.

Well, we haven't been introduced to any FBI who have proportions like that aside from Jodie and it seems like a bad idea to suddenly introduce a new FBI agent. Both in terms of pacing and in terms of audience reaction, it is a bad move relating to story format. Kir is also out of the question, considering the situation regarding her already being precarious.

I'm keeping up with this topic, but it's kind of outside my realm of expertise. Good luck to all, let us see how it turns out in a few days.

I understand this is off topic, but may I ask what you mean by expertise? Indeed, this is an interesting thing and I am excited to see how this turns out and what new information we'll get.

[Chekhov MacGuffin]

If we are looking at Yukiko here, it will be interesting because she seems less able to keep her cool compared to other characters. I would think Amuro would have the advantage over Yukiko unless someone else like Akai or Conan is doing the talking. Well, I suppose there will be some method to the casting.

A ventriloquist act seems like a pretty likely idea. The mask would hide that Yukiko's mouth didn't totally match the words, and Conan could hide a speaker on her body out of sight, so even if Amuro pulled down the mask suddenly he'd see a normal mouth. Besides, despite her personality she IS an actress, so she'd probably be able to come up with something pretty fast if necessary.

I doubt it's Jodie, and not just because I doubt Conan would let it out of the bag just yet. From a writer's perspective, having such a big reveal happen off-screen would be a waste, even if it were to be shown later in a flashback. Besides, while interacting with the BO is normally dangerous, Conan has good reason to suspect that Amuro's part of the Public Security Bureau so he'd see no reason to keep his mom out. Though why he'd go out of his way to confirm Akai was alive AND tell Vermouth makes me suspicious of that...

Although, for the sake of crack theories: what about Kir? Unlikely, but still, she's one of the few women to know about the Okaiya conspiracy.

I agree with this except the PSIA part. I don't think Conan suspects Amuro is PSIA since Amuro corrected him, although I am sure Conan thinks that the PSIA is not totally unrelated. The way Amuro phrased his response to Conan implied Conan was not totally off the mark.

I like the "hide the lip movements to hide that the person is doing ventriloquism" idea especially.

Also, I absolutely do not think Kir's involvement (including the possibility she is Subaru right now) is a crack theory because she has good reason to be involved. I would hope Conan and Akai warned her that Amuro had figured out the trick and she is at risk. As it is, she could be shot as soon as Amuro tells someone. She might as well help out because things would be worse if she stayed in a place the Organization controls and could reach her; a message for her to flee might take too long find her ears. Helping Akai and Conan is hardly worse than the alternative of waiting, doing nothing to help, and hoping Amuro is shut down before the information he knows makes it out.

I'm keeping up with this topic, but it's kind of outside my realm of expertise. Good luck to all, let us see how it turns out in a few days.

I understand this is off topic, but may I ask what you mean by expertise? Indeed, this is an interesting thing and I am excited to see how this turns out and what new information we'll get.

When analyzing artwork for clues, it is easy to jump prematurely to a conclusion because you think something matches or is different, but the reality is that it is within the realm of natural variation for the artist. If you are going to analyze images effectively, you have to test the "null hypothesis" that in fact your art suspicions mean nothing. I think Jd- is saying that he hasn't done the work to make sure the art conclusions being drawn are well supported.

[Jd-]

I'm keeping up with this topic, but it's kind of outside my realm of expertise. Good luck to all, let us see how it turns out in a few days.

I understand this is off topic, but may I ask what you mean by expertise? Indeed, this is an interesting thing and I am excited to see how this turns out and what new information we'll get.

When analyzing artwork for clues, it is easy to jump prematurely to a conclusion because you think something matches or is different, but the reality is that it is within the realm of natural variation for the artist. If you are going to analyze images effectively, you have to test the "null hypothesis" that in fact your art suspicions mean nothing. I think Jd- is saying that he hasn't done the work to make sure the art conclusions being drawn are well supported.

Yeppers, as Chekhov said. I'm not confident I can be of assistance, but am of course hopeful you guys uncover something as everything unfolds over the next couple of files.