Detective Conan Files 809-811 Discussion Thread: Room Traces

[Partsu]

I think Takagi is around 8000...

[Artemis]

my case notes for @-810:

Spoiler:

Takagi - Takes 7 min to go from 3rd to 26th floor via stairs. None of the three suspects appear on the elevator camera prior to 7:30 am.

My inferences:

1. Since it takes 7 min to goto the 26th floor from the 3rd floor via the stairs and none of the suspects is not seen on elevator camera prior to the murder and none of them could have anticipated the need to fake the alibi of froth/smoke/steam  ... then either
 A) the culprit is NOT one of the three suspects OR
 B) the culprit is one of the three suspects and the victim fell from the 3rd floor.

3.  Based on the timeline, if Tsukihara (or for that matter one of the other two) is the culprit:

Then the email likely wasn't sent BY the victim at all, since that message is not what enticed the killer to come up.

Instead the email was sent by the culprit in order to provide an alibi to hide when the victim was assaulted.
The victim's phone was on his body, and the email was listed as being sent from the same phone, so the phone was with the victim before he fell.

The culprit had to send the email from the victim's phone ( as is suggested by the evidence and since it was found on the body ), and so the culprit was with the victim at least until the point where the email was sent (07:25 am).  Likely the victim was assaulted some time prior to this.

The culprit met the victim at the 26th floor.  If the culprit assaulted him, sent the e-mail (07:25 am) then pushed him out the window on the 26th floor (07:30 am), then it would have taken him again too long to go down the stairs from the 26th floor to to arrive at the scene before Conan resends the email.  Since the culprit was with him 5 minutes prior to falling out the window, it doesn't matter if he uses a trick to delay the time the victim falls from the building, because he still (barely) does not have enough time to rush down in time.  If the culprit assaults the victim on the 26th floor, its not practical to bring the body down 23 flights of stairs, and we know the elevator was not used (from Takagi) since it has a camera.

So the only scenario left is:

For the culprit to meet with the victim prior to 07:25, lure the victim to her own apartment on the third floor without being seen, meanwhile making sure the elevator is inoperable so they have both have to use the stairs, then assaulting the victim, cleaning up any evidence, sending the email message, then maybe have have coffee? to kill the time it would take to make it seem the culprit visited the victim in response from the email, then pushing the victim out their own apartment window while again not being seen, then heading down stairs after the scream in order to have an alibi.

Your deduction is really logical except that I guess there has been a misunderstanding of the translation.

Spoiler:

It took Takagi 7min to make the round trip to go from 3rd floor to the 26th floor, so getting to the 26th floor wouldn't be more than 4 minutes. Then the culprit was able to commit the murder at about 7:29 and arrive at the scene around 7:33.

maybe the promis that he mentioned is the promis between dai and sherry

I feel that way, too. Though I'm not quite sure.

Spoiler:

It's really confusing with whom Okiya made the promise. Obviously, Gosho tries to make us readers choose between Akemi (Okiya=Akai) or Vermouth (Okiya=Bourbon).

I don't think it will turn out to be Akemi, since Okiya thought of the promise with a soft smile. I dare not say that Dai had never loved Akemi (Akemi had fallen completely for Dai, no doubt. While Akai showed no more than guilty.). However, even he started the relationship with Akemi just for task and didn't care much about her, it was inconceivable that  Akai would be so cool-hearted to remember a dead woman with the feelings of pleasure.

For the latter choice, which goes against the mainstream view, I haven't found critical fallacies, as few of the clues on Bourbon are reliable to figure out what kind of person he/she is. If so, I guess we will long for the history of Bourbon and Sherry (a glass of Dizzy Lizzie?). But still it's beyond all imaginations Vermouth would make a promise in favor of Shiho.

Look at the last pic again. Both the scene and their lines impressed me with the strong feeling thatAi and Okiya were flirting. Then it was the promise with Shiho Miyano, a girl existed only in the deep past. Ai is no longer Shiho, and Okiya can't return to Moroboshi Dai, either. That's why Okiya thought it was the promise with "her", not "you". From this perspective, I think the promise was about sth not that important, just as "You must behave urbanely from now on". Sounds like ridiculous but somehow passable, isn't it?

[eva]

spoiler for file 811

Spoiler:

[kei]

spoiler for file 811

Spoiler:

*Speachless*

[Abeizzle]

SHIT MAAAANN !!! OMMGG

[Conan5]

It's fake. We had a discussion about this in the spoiler cbox. Head over there for the conversion logs.

[rrizqiw]

hmm seem fake

Spoiler:

even thought i am not surprised is akai already knew Ai is sherry

[ahrjay]

File 811, Chinese scans: http://tieba.baidu.com/p/1459549069

[aly_angelflight]

Spoiler:

Now, the mystery of why Ai wanted to take off Okiya's scarf when we know she suspects him to be "Dai"... XD

[S.Vineyard]

Hmm....

Spoiler:

I wonder if this "children of the wind" talk is some kind of word game.

[aly_angelflight]

Hmm....

Spoiler:

I wonder if this "children of the wind" talk is some kind of word game.

Spoiler:

Considering "kaze" in Japanese refers to both the wind and the common cold, probably. ^^;

[Conan 48:69]

Spoiler:

Both Okiya and Akai are sleeping with their hand crossed on their chest

http://dctp.ws/V58-Reader/V58-10Read/A10.html

Firstly "Don't make that kind of face", now sleeping posture, Gosho giving more Okiya=Akai hints (even though more of us think that way since Okiya debuts a short while. It may make a big twist with ending up Okiya and Akai are different persons.

[Wakarimashita]

Spoiler:

And both of them sleep with their eyes closed ! 

[Conan 48:69]

Spoiler:

And both of them sleep with their eyes closed ! 

Spoiler:

Of course sleeping always with eyes closed, don't tell me that you sleep with eyes opened.

[leokiko]

Spoiler:

And both of them sleep with their eyes closed !  :o

Spoiler:

Of course sleeping always with eyes closed, don't tell me that you sleep with eyes opened.

That was an sarcastic comment 
About the file...

Spoiler:

What Ai was looking for shouldn't be an huge point there. She is looking for proof that Okiya=Akai, since she knew Akai before. Maybe some kind of mark that she would recognize...? Either way, it's obvious Okiya=Akai, but Gosho is making it obvious so that people question: ''How would Akai be alive?''