Discussion thread: Detective Conan 1000-1005

[k11chi]

Majority is actually swayed by what's going on at the moment the most.

[Kor]

Majority is actually swayed by what's going on at the moment the most.

If it ended up like that, the neverending, heartbreaking romance would finally end, and Gosho would finally move his attention from a romance that nobody even cares to the BO that everybody wants to see solved.

Unless you're psychic, I'd advise against making statements about what other people think. It's just needlessly provocative and you don't really have any way to back up such statements.
Your own thoughts should generally be enough (in most cases) to be a talking point. No need to make generalizations about what people care or don't care about or pretend there's some majority behind your stance.

(on another note, appeal to the majority is also a fallacy so it's not necessarily a good argument to begin with)

[DCUniverseAficionado]

(on another note, appeal to the majority is also a fallacy so it's not necessarily a good argument to begin with)

So the SS Super Poll I brought up... would it just fall right into this particular trap?

[Nemomon]

Majority is actually swayed by what's going on at the moment the most.

If it ended up like that, the neverending, heartbreaking romance would finally end, and Gosho would finally move his attention from a romance that nobody even cares to the BO that everybody wants to see solved.

Unless you're psychic, I'd advise against making statements about what other people think. It's just needlessly provocative and you don't really have any way to back up such statements.
Your own thoughts should generally be enough (in most cases) to be a talking point. No need to make generalizations about what people care or don't care about or pretend there's some majority behind your stance.

(on another note, appeal to the majority is also a fallacy so it's not necessarily a good argument to begin with)

My initial post was what I think, not what others think.

Anyway, while I might be wrong on this, I didn't notice many people asking Gosho when Ran will accept Shinichi's proposal or how their relationship will evolve. On the other hand, people been asking who's Anokata, what's up with Rum, there were several questions about Elena, Bourbon and Akai (which all not related to the romance part at all), so I can only conclude that the romance part is not what people expect from Detective Conan. And also, unlike what the 5th opening would want us to say, Detective Conan is not about a great detective of love, but about a great detective of crime. Well, unless I missed something, and majority of cases in it are about romance, and not about murder and stealing.

[DCUniverseAficionado]

Majority is actually swayed by what's going on at the moment the most.

If it ended up like that, the neverending, heartbreaking romance would finally end, and Gosho would finally move his attention from a romance that nobody even cares to the BO that everybody wants to see solved.

Unless you're psychic, I'd advise against making statements about what other people think. It's just needlessly provocative and you don't really have any way to back up such statements.
Your own thoughts should generally be enough (in most cases) to be a talking point. No need to make generalizations about what people care or don't care about or pretend there's some majority behind your stance.

(on another note, appeal to the majority is also a fallacy so it's not necessarily a good argument to begin with)

My initial post was what I think, not what others think.

Anyway, while I might be wrong on this, I didn't notice many people asking Gosho when Ran will accept Shinichi's proposal or how their relationship will evolve. On the other hand, people been asking who's Anokata, what's up with Rum, there were several questions about Elena, Bourbon and Akai (which all not related to the romance part at all), so I can only conclude that the romance part is not what people expect from Detective Conan. And also, unlike what the 5th opening would want us to say, Detective Conan is not about a great detective of love, but about a great detective of crime. Well, unless I missed something, and majority of cases in it are about romance, and not about murder and stealing.

Except that the SS 37-38 cover for File 1,000 describes DC as "The Love-Comedy Murder Mystery Series Loved Worldwide." This series may have more murders than anything else, but if you compare how many BO-centric cases there are (http://www.detectiveconanworld.com/wiki ... ppearances) to how many romance-centric cases there are (http://www.detectiveconanworld.com/wiki ... _Ran_Mouri – and this is just one couple), I think the latter will win out, and even if it somehow doesn't, the BO cases will only be able to draw even with the romance cases. And then there's the fact that, as of now, the highest grossing film in the series is Movie 21 (which Gosho himself described as a love comedy), not Movie 20.

Do I think a majority of posters in Story Discussion threads on this forum (and DCW) care about the BO plot more than the romance? You bet (though, again, the investment is a long way below what it used to be). But is it also like that where it counts more (Gosho and the Japanese audience)? I don't think so. And that's not even getting into whether there's a silent majority (on here and DCW, be it users, lurkers or both) of those who, despite caring about Ran and Shinichi's relationship and its development, simply don't ask about it or whether there isn't.

[Wakarimashita]

(on another note, appeal to the majority is also a fallacy so it's not necessarily a good argument to begin with)

So the SS Super Poll I brought up... would it just fall right into this particular trap?

I don't think so, because you use the data provided by the poll to back up your statement.

[Haibara & Aika ryona]

I am sure that after all your suggestions, and assumptions, there is nothing important will happen, but I will not say uncessary things. Just will say, let's hope one important thing will happen

[DCUniverseAficionado]

(on another note, appeal to the majority is also a fallacy so it's not necessarily a good argument to begin with)

So the SS Super Poll I brought up... would it just fall right into this particular trap?

I don't think so, because you use the data provided by the poll to back up your statement.

I'm just a bit concerned about inadvertently messing up, since I have a really unfortunate penchant of doing that.

[Haibara & Aika ryona]

I am sure that after all your suggestions, and assumptions, there is nothing important will happen, but I will not say uncessary things. Just will say, let's hope one important thing will happen

[S.Vineyard]

Ok, I just saw the new pic at Yunnie's blog + the translation, that gives much more context to the kiss.

Sorry, I love it.

She answered him straight, how her feelings are, the plainest and simplest way.

(Also, afaik kissing in public is still quite tabu in Japan, so it also was quite a brave reaction.)

[Antiyonder]

Hmm.

Spoiler:

So much for the possibility that her previous reluctance was due to Shinichi's tendency to be secretive.

[DCUniverseAficionado]

Hmm.

Spoiler:

So much for the possibility that her previous reluctance was due to Shinichi's tendency to be secretive.

Spoiler:

This sounds like, "I knew Gosho would mess this up/waste this opportunity." Unless I'm interpreting this wrong, of course.

I think it's unwise to assume that Ran's no longer suspicious of Shinichi. 1,005 may be all about this. As far as I'm concerned, it's a question of if—not when—Gosho will make use of the Ran moments up to, throughout, and after the Bourbon arc, that strongly parallel the Ran moments during her suspicion arcs. Shinichi's confession was a game changer—the fact that Ran took this long to answer shows she's suspicious, and even this answer is still pretty reserved, even taking cultural context into account.

In other words, if you still have interest in this aspect—holding onto it throughout the Bourbon arc—I wouldn't give up due to this case.

[Regre]

Spoiler:

Now that Shinichi appeared on TV during the Kyoto arc, I hope the BO takes note of it so that we get more action and development. I mean Conan has been reckless lately when it comes to obscuring his identity as Shinichi. And when he went back to being Shinichi in this arc, he is still careless not listening to Haibara's advice, which led to his appearance on Live TV. I wonder if Gosho is doing this deliberately to lead us to some sort of character development or conflict, which would be intriguing if true. Hopefully, this happens a few chapters after 1005 and not be delayed for months or even years.

[Antiyonder]

Hmm.

Spoiler:

So much for the possibility that her previous reluctance was due to Shinichi's tendency to be secretive.

Spoiler:

This sounds like, "I knew Gosho would mess this up/waste this opportunity." Unless I'm interpreting this wrong, of course.

I think it's unwise to assume that Ran's no longer suspicious of Shinichi. 1,005 may be all about this. As far as I'm concerned, it's a question of if—not when—Gosho will make use of the Ran moments up to, throughout, and after the Bourbon arc, that strongly parallel the Ran moments during her suspicion arcs. Shinichi's confession was a game changer—the fact that Ran took this long to answer shows she's suspicious, and even this answer is still pretty reserved, even taking cultural context into account.

In other words, if you still have interest in this aspect—holding onto it throughout the Bourbon arc—I wouldn't give up due to this case.

Spoiler:

You're right about it feeling like a waste.

Even if her hesitancy was due to being burned by him, the kiss, however, reserved suggests that he can treat her in any negative fashion and she'll just accept it. I even get her ultimately being a forgiving person, but I don't think being such should mean letting one get away with anything without some kind of continual uneasiness. Doesn't need to hate him, but she doesn't need to be on kissing terms yet either.

And as Regre suggests, even if Ran is still suspicious, is the next chapter going to be the one that does something with it or is it going to be in file 2,005?

Ran is Gosho's favorite character—and I think this has been the case even from the very start—and that's that.

This unfortunately I don't dispute and why I'm not too certain her characterization is the result of mostly editorial mandate. I mean lets face it, had he decided to take plunge earlier and have Ran becoming a deeper part of the story, would he still hold her in the same regard or is it the fact that she's is still in the same role that contributes to why he favors Ran?

Kind of like the overprotective father who's more concerned about his own wants for his daughter at the expense of what she need and is afraid that letting her grow will turn her into an unpleasing person in his eyes.

[DCUniverseAficionado]

Spoiler:

You're right about it feeling like a waste.

Even if her hesitancy was due to being burned by him, the kiss, however, reserved suggests that he can treat her in any negative fashion and she'll just accept it. I even get her ultimately being a forgiving person, but I don't think being such should mean letting one get away with anything without some kind of continual uneasiness. Doesn't need to hate him, but she doesn't need to be on kissing terms yet either.

And as Regre suggests, even if Ran is still suspicious, is the next chapter going to be the one that does something with it or is it going to be in file 2,005?

Spoiler:

More suspicious or even ambivalent than betrayed—we're gonna have to see how things go before the latter feeling comes up (after that display during Holmes' Revelation, there may be a chance of it happening again, though, perhaps, next time, it'll be different).

That's presumptuous—this was no more of an ending than Holmes' Revelation was an ending. Plus, it carries the assumption that Shinichi can do worse by her after everything else and will do just that, as if he's just the opposite of good when it comes to her.

But that's the thing about ambivalence—it can have uneasiness (Ran telling Kazuha that she thinks she'll "crash back to reality" if she responds to Shinichi's confession (File 781–File 786/Episode 652–Episode 655)) and still have someone on kissing terms.

Sorry, but as of right now (2017), even the idea of File 2,005 is absurd to me. You're gonna have to come back in a few years with that suggestion for me to even entertain it a little.

Ran is Gosho's favorite character—and I think this has been the case even from the very start—and that's that.

This unfortunately I don't dispute and why I'm not too certain her characterization is the result of mostly editorial mandate. I mean lets face it, had he decided to take plunge earlier and have Ran becoming a deeper part of the story, would he still hold her in the same regard or is it the fact that she's is still in the same role that contributes to why he favors Ran?

Kind of like the overprotective father who's more concerned about his own wants for his daughter at the expense of what she need and is afraid that letting her grow will turn her into an unpleasing person in his eyes.

So your suggestion is she's only his favorite because of the status quo? That he's just a selfish parent?

I can't see her personality changing too much, should she find out... so, after that, what would change about her that would make him suddenly decide she's not his favorite, anymore? That's why I don't buy this assertion. Just this year, we've had her twice (986 and 993) pull what she pulled in File 5/Episode 2, when she first knocked a culprit's teeth out—that part of her, at least, is still the same—Gosho's still having her do that, at least. It's why I look forward to the ultimate climax—I can see her bookending her moment at the beginning (File 5/Episode 2) with one at the end, on a BO member... I'm hoping it's Gin, or someone of comparable rank, in the BO.

EDIT:
More 1,004 spoiler pics are now out, and I can confirm that 1,004 is not the last file of this case—thus, 1,005 will be the last file of this case.